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Scion xA



  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    here's the Vitz for 2006.


    Will we get a design like this in 2006 to replace the Toyota Echo? The 2006 Scion xA is already out and it is not this design. Scion and the xA is another monster altogether than the small car Toyota plans for the U.S. to replace the Echo.

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  • sophoclessophocles Posts: 3
    From The Car Connection---

    Daily Edition: Jul. 26, 2005

    Nissan Plotting Scion Fighters

    Nissan's plans to challenge the success of the Scion brand will take the shape of a new sedan and a new hatchback, according to a report in Automotive News. The industry weekly says that a new sedan will slot in beneath the existing Sentra compact sometime in 2007; the Sentra itself will be replaced in the summer of 2006. The new entry-level sedan will be joined by a three-door hatchback; both are expected to be built at the Nissan plant inMexico, though Nissan did not confirm that in the report. Nissan hopes to take some sales away from Toyota's Scion brand, which is on track to sell about 160,000 xB, xA and tC models this year.

    Spy Shots: '07 Nissan Teana by KGP Photography (7/25/2005)
    Is it a mule or an Avalon fighter?

    Flint: Character Counts More than Cheap

    Americans don't like small cars or cheap cars. That's a generalization - but it's generally true. So if a car company wants to sell Americans a cheap car, and cheap cars generally are small, they should sell it as something else. Even cheap cars can sizzle. So sell the sizzle.

    The most recent examples are the Toyota Scion cars. There really are cheap, and by that I mean low-priced. People actually pay $15,000 and $16,000 for an xA (the hatchback) or an xB (the box). But they aren't sold as cheap cars and people don't think of them that way. They sold 74,862 Scions in six months, on the way to 150,000 this year. It won't be long before they pass 200,000 a year. And I thought the Scion would flop when it came out. How wrong I was.

    Now look at another cheap car, the Chevy Aveo, made by Daewoo in Korea and sold by Chevy dealers. They sold 35,245 in six months, on the way to 70,000.

    Here's the difference: Toyota sells them as youth cars, but the buyers aren't particularly young. But that Chevy Aveo is just a cheap car.

    Flint: Character Counts More Than Cheap by Jerry Flint (7/25/2005)
    The key to getting people into them is making them special.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    Why do they compare the combined sales of the xA and xB to the Aveo? I think the actual breakdown would probably show the xB as #1, the Aveo as #2, and the xA as #3 - which would make the article completely pointless.
  • chrisducatichrisducati Posts: 394
    I am assuming that the number includes tc's also. It makes the brand sound as if it is doing better than others. As to the Aveo, I like the look but can't get past the gray interior. To me the front seat room actually seemed larger than the xA but I will trade some room for details. I also have some suspicions to the quality of the Holden engine in the Aveo. I have had good luck and bad with Toyota. For the most part you hear good. At this point the xA has my vote.
  • linfarlinfar Posts: 1
    I am in the US and want to buy a 2005 echo in the next month or so. Is there anyone willing to provide dealer info and also best on-line used car lists.

    Also any and all information/assistance in this effort would be incredibly appreciated :)

    Lin Farley
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    new Echo on a dealer lot in well over a year. Were any new ones sold this year?

    the xA makes a very nice substitute for the Echo...

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    seem like a Yugo. The xA is a really nice car, with distinct looks to it that looks absolutely awesome in Release Series form. Those cars are great looking, plus you would be getting great resale value and legendary Toyota build quality.

    I am still watching Scion but am sorta interested in what Toyota brings to the table next year for the Echo, or Yaris, or Vitz, or whatever they decide. In Canada the Echo is a winner and great seller. I love my Sportage 4x4 so much that it's gonna be hard to not go for a new world order Sportage when the time comes. I love that new Sportage design and am becoming more enamored with it with each passing month as we head into the second half of 2005.

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  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    let's stick to that. If you are interested in an Echo, please search/browse for discussions related to that vehicle and post there.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    As to the Aveo, I like the look but can't get past the gray interior.

    As opposed to the dark gray/black interior in the xA that absorbs boatloads of heat on a car with not nearly enough engine power to have a healthy level of a/c cooling?

    To me the front seat room actually seemed larger than the xA but I will trade some room for details.

    Front seat room seemed bigger in the Aveo than the xA to me as well. I think it is more about the sloping A-pillar near my head as much as any measurable dimensions, though. The back seat on the Aveo is much smaller than in the xA, though. In my case, I may need to stick my son back there from time to time, and he's already 6-2. He wouldn't fit in the Aveo.
  • Yep, I would much rather have the dark interior of the xA. When a car sets in the sun here in St.Louis the insides are going to be hot no matter what. The interior thermometer in my car always says like 145 after setting in the parking lot all day. So even if a light color gets me 20 degrees of temp relief it still is going to be HOT. I dislike tupperware gray. I have that in our Hyundai and I will not get that color again. If the dash were two tone dark on top light on bottom maybe I would like the Aveo's as much as the xA. As for hp, I have have no need for high hp engines. I get by just fine on 75-130 hp as long as the car is a stick shift.. A car with 130 hp is great if you live on a two lane rural highway and have to pass people. I do not live anywhere near those conditions. I am either in heavy stop and go or moving at 50-65 on the expressway in heavy traffic. I rarely get to blast the gas. I have learned to live with out it.
    The back seat of the Aveo seems higher up to me. The leg room was skimpy but the head room was where I fault it. Stadium seating? The xA is just nicer in the back. Still not like the xB but for a short car it is fine. How about putting xA styling on the xB chassis..
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    The back seat of the Aveo seems higher up to me. The leg room was skimpy but the head room was where I fault it. Stadium seating?

    Exactly my impression.

    The xA is just nicer in the back. Still not like the xB but for a short car it is fine. How about putting xA styling on the xB chassis..

    Actually, xA & xB *are* on the same chassis; the same one as the Echo. The xA slopes in, though, while the xB goes straight up. But I know what you mean: If the xA had some of the interior room of the xB it would be much better.

    I would actually like the xB styling if the front bumper didn't stick out so far in front of the grill. If they extended the grill so it was within, say, and inch of the bumper, it would look much better I think.
  • cinderycindery Posts: 14
    The 2006 xA information has posted on the Scion website, Yahoo Autos and this site (Edmunds).

    The iPod connection option is just another reason why Scion sells so well, without 'employee pricing' and gimics - imagine if you declared you would sell 80,000 $13k cars with 103hp just a few years ago...
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    The Scion sells well because it is priced close to selling price - actually there are no discounts available. This worked for Saturn until people figured out you could by the equivalent vehicle from Chevy with a big discount. The Scion isn't really inexpensive, it's just that other brands, such as the Honda Civic, are priced high to allow discounting and overallowing on trades. Plus, theScions are smaller with smaller engines than are usual now.

    Let's see what happens if other small cars are MSRP'd closer to selling price.

    And oh yeah, the Scions are pretty neat, too, that seems to help!
  • I purchased a Scion XA on August 8 and experienced an immediate intermittent problem. While the car drives great and is a blast to scoot around town in, the shifter sticks and the car will not go into gear. After three attempts to have this fixed I now carry a screwdriver with me at all times so I can engage the release button next to the shifter. This experience is akin to driving a car you would find in the cracker jax popcorn box and a huge inconvenience. Has anyone else had this problem? Scion/Toyota are now deciding what their next steps will be to resolve this situation since there are not many 2006 Scions on the road as yet.
  • ...Toyota just today released in Japan the new Ractis tall wagon:


    This vehicle really makes me wonder could this become the second-generation Scion xA, given that it can use the same xA drivetrain.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    of the 2006 Scion xA and the 2007 Toyota Echo/Yaris/Vitz combination, so, why not?

    Toyota's been mysterious enough disclosing or not disclosing their plans for the U.S. market 2007 Echo/Yaris/Vitz, so why not throw a bit more drama into the mix. No, it's really a wait-and-see for new small cars from Toyota. The picture above has that taillght and rear end getup that looks a tad like their new Yaris. The front end grille of the Ractis tall wagon above looks sorta like the new crop of small Mazda's, like the Mazda3, for instance, in the grille area.

    It's funny, because the Ractis tall wagon's look is growing on me. The Scion xA's look also grew on me, to the point I was gonna go snag one of my own. I also like the new Echo/Vitz/Yaris design, and want to compare it to what's coming down the road in the future for the Scion xA.

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  • I have this feeling right now that the Ractis is Scion's xA successor. It's certainly aimed at a more affluent buyer than the upcoming Yaris, and unlike the current xA this new model looks it it could attract a large number of buyers, especially those what want a Scion but don't want the breadbox-shaped xB model. Also, Toyota needs a model to blunt the potential impact of the arrival of the Honda Fit in March 2006.

    I wouldn't be surprised Toyota shows this car in Federalized form badged as a Scion as early as the Detroit Auto Show in Janaury 2006.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    will have a lot of American eyes on them waiting for these Auto Shows to go on and reveal what they're gonna sell here. I agree, I think the Ractis tall wagon may indeed become the new Scion xA for import to America.

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  • ...One of the main selling points of the Toyota Ractis is the fact the car has a low floor, which means a low center of gravity, ease of entering/exiting the car and ease of loading/unloading cargo. That could make the potential Scion version a very popular car among the aging Baby Boomer crowd, to say the least.

    (By the way, much to Toyota's surprise the Scion xA and xB have sold quite well to older drivers.)
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    models interesting. The xB is too weird for me, I'd rather leave it than take it, any day.

    The tC is very nice and the xA is cool, especially in Release Series form. That xA RS 1.0 in Absolutely Red still looks so much cooler than stock xA's to me, those wheels are nice, the different sport grille looks good, etc.

    I think that boomers like Scion products because they appeal to their sense of value. They offer a lot of automobile feature for the money and they are Toyota products. Nuff said about that, eh? :)

    About the Ractis, a low floor for ease of entry and exit and loading is fine, if the driver sits up high enough in their seat. Since it's the Ractis "tall wagon" I'm gonna figure that that will be the case. Keep on looking for new world order Scion xA future looks in the meantime...the Ractis fully loaded with a 5-speed tranny, air conditioning, a great stereo, power W/D/M's and side airbags or traction control as added safety comfort selling for around $13,999 would grab my instant attention.

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  • You're not describing your problem in the entirety. You've not mentioned which gears, at what times... Does it do that AFTER it's been in use?
    The Honda Element that I had began doing that after it had already been in use, like if I were parking (PARK) or had turned off the car somewhere only to turn it back on within 20 minutes.
    The dealership told me it was the throttle body sensor and needed replaced. Basically the RPMs were slightly higher and I hadn't noticed, and that they weren't reading at rest when the car was not in use, so then I was not "allowed" to shift out of park.

    That was my problem, so what exactly was yours :confuse:
  • Even though I bought an xB. I did test drive a xA 1.0 and was very impressed. However, those tires had very limited shelf life. The moonroof was awesome in that car.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,914
    it's cool that you test drove an xA RS 1.0 in that beautiful Absolutely Red color! I knew better than even trying to trade in my '01 Kia Sportage 4x4 last fall when the xA RS 1.0 was in stock at the nearest Scion dealer to me at the time. I did stop and look at it when the Scion employees were gone later at night, though. It looked very cool. I have heard that those tires wore down too easily...but that can be dealt with pretty easily, though expensively.

    Sometimes I look at the Scion xB and it starts working it's mojo on me! I can see why you might like it, I just can't get into that square-everywhere design. The xB does look better than a middle of the road car like Toyota's Corolla, though. It's better to have a car with some design integrity to it and the xB is an original, I'll say that much about it.

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • At 6000+ miles came my first expenditure besides petrol. We got a flat but since the car still handled well, drove for some time while the rim shredded the inside of the tire. It could not be fixed. The local tire shop could only find one maker (Goodyear) who makes the original equipment tires. $87 plus tax later he suggested that when I replace the tires, I should go to a slightly larger size, at a much lower price. Anybody else have this experience?
  • hal9001hal9001 Posts: 28
    I had that with snow tires: they weren't readily available in the stock size and would have to be special ordered. I had them put on the next size up (195??). They will make the ODO read about 2% too slow...but I don't race around here in the winter anyway...
  • I'm choosing accessories and would like input about the Auto Dimming Mirror. Is there a problem seeing pedestrians in the city? Any other problems? Any cheaper solutions? I have difficulty with glare, but don't want to pay $295 unless it's a good feature. The Toyota dealer told me that nothing could be put in after market because the wiring is in the roof. True?
  • I love the auto dimming mirror. So much better than a std mirror. There is a mood lighting option and it also works to open my garage door - super. I haven't had much experience yet with the auto dimming, but I did experience it working once and it was great. I can't yet answer your ques on pedestrians, but I don't anticipate an issue.
  • does wire through the roof - so they are speaking the truth
  • Fairway Toyota/Scion provides free tires for life to the original owner. Yes, I've used this on my 2003 Avalon with no problems. Like the old Jack Benny Midas commercials, I'm gonna be using a whole lot of tires free of charge!!
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