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Pontiac GTO



  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    mparis, don't panic! but i too doubt that we'll see a next-gen goat from pontiac/holden.
    our GTOs already cost 60 cents per mile to operate. i get 21 mpg all-around and consider that to be "worth it" with current gasoline prices. i do miss the better mpg of my fourth-gen Z28s though! (25 mpg vs the goat's 21 mpg all-around) .
    if gas price doubles to $6 per gallon, that will add another 10 or 20 cents per mile to the GOAT operating cost i suppose.
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    The more things change, the more they stay the same. I remember back in early eighties; no more V8s! Gas is running out; we only have another 5 years or so of oil and then we will all be riding bikes. That was 25 years ago. Gee, none of that came to pass. Not saying the oil is limitless, just wonder why people have to have something to panic about all the time. What will I do if gas costs $5.00 per gallon? Simple: I'll pay it. If you can't afford an extra $50 or $100 a month for gas, then what are you doing driving a $33,000 car in the first place? One simple change to our A4 goats would reduce the cost of operation by 25%: taller gears. Drop in the new 6-speed auto to reduce revs on the highway and, just like that, no gas-guzzler tax. Next gen goat will have technology ours don't to improve efficiency and reduce the effect of high gas prices. And don't kid yourself. GM MUST build as many of these types of cars as possible if they want to stay in business. They got into their present bad condition by building cars people didn't want or couldn't get excited about. Seems to me the way to fix that is to build cars that motivate people to buy them! After all, they have already spent the money to develop the next GTO. I'll go out on a limb and predict that we'll see a production-ready, all-new GTO "concept" at the 2007 Detroit show.
  • ausstarausstar Posts: 21
    Hi guys have not been on in a long time, just got back from travels with friends back home in Aus.
    Now im back in action can anyone give me some advice/ best optons for the 04 to 05 exhaust conversion... im thinking of doing like a slp header kit but not sure what cat back works best for the 5.7L.?? Robert not sure if you're still around??
    I love deep rumble and HP not especially loud stupid sound.
    Thanks guys
  • usa2usa2 Posts: 14
    Does any 2005-06 GTO owners consume more than 1 quart/ 5000 miles? >1 quart/2000 miles?
  • oldboboldbob Posts: 41
    Today put 1qt. First oil in 4000 mi.
  • sssstsssst Posts: 21
    Do any of you guys use synthetic oil in your rides? That's all I had in my Cobra. Another question daytime driving lights on our Goats, do we have them? If yes can they be turned off? If not do you know of a rewire to get rid of them... and while we're on it how about the fogs are they independent of the headlights? I don't take delivery until next week.
  • oldboboldbob Posts: 41
    The GTO comes with syn oil. Daytime lights canbe turned off. If you know the VIN you may be able to go to MYGMLINK.COM and rad the owner's manual on-line.
  • sssstsssst Posts: 21
    Thanks oldBob I didn't know that.
  • pontmusclepontmuscle Posts: 4
    Not only does the GTO come with synth oil, the oil fill cap actually says to use Mobile 1. The fog lights are independent of the headlights. You have to pull out the headlight switch out to activate them (not at all obvious unless you read the manual). BTW I just picked up my '06 and only have around 500 miles on the car so far. Maintaining self-control through the break-in process is hard with all those horses on tap!
  • zq8zq8 Posts: 82
    Which color and transmission did you get?
  • pontmusclepontmuscle Posts: 4
    Blue with the manual trans. I figured it was time to buy before they quit making them. Its the first really fast car that I've owned for quite a while and the raw power that the big V-8 puts out is very cool- right up there with some of the 60's cars that I built way back when. But unlike the old musclecars my new GTO has creature comforts, a nice sport suspension and gets reasonable enough gas milage to make it a usable daily driver.
  • sssstsssst Posts: 21
    I can believe that. When I test drove mine last week I was a bit surprised with the power it packed for a car that heavy. As I said on another forum I do think it would out preform my old 96 SVT Cobra. I chose the Spice Red M6 & 18" wheels. I pick it up this Tue...I'm really excited ... After break-in Cobra hunting I go!
  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    as i eyeballed the rear wing wishing it to go away , i noticed there is a CHMSL in the wing and also a CHMSL under the subwoofer under the rear window. it was the first time i noticed there were two CHMSL. do both of these things light up? this reminds me of how GM had to hack a CHMSL onto the 86 vette at the last minute - GM put one outside the rear hatch glass for that one year i think.
  • zq8zq8 Posts: 82
    The CHMSL on the hatch started with the 1986 vette, BUT it lasted thru the 1990 models. 1991(except for the ZR1) was the first year it was in the rear cover. The ZR1 lost the hatch light in 1992.
  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    even after the long alignment saga and the resulting slight positive camber on front wheels, the left front is still chewing up the inner edge, not wearing the outer edge at all.
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    Hate to say it, but good chance it could be the strut rod bushings. If blown, allows the front wheel to move around; pretty much negates alignment. First mod to any GTO should be a set of poly front strut rod bushings. There is absolutely no down side (other than having to pay for something that Pontiac/Holden should).
  • mparis1mparis1 Posts: 107
    hey guys??? what should we do about this problem? what course of action? WHERE IS GURU ROBERT? is there a RECALL ON THE STRUT PROBLEM?
    am i correct in saying that if we see front tire wear we have a problem ?
  • mparis1mparis1 Posts: 107
    my 2005 city-driven ...jack rabbit starts/ fun revving GTO uses about one quart every 4,000 leaks/no excessive temperatures...mostly low speed driving?
    i just live with it???
  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    unfortunately until i get a set of 4 new tires i won't be sure if the wear i'm seeing on the fronts is from when they were on the rear, or whether it's new wear. i'm not too pleased about 'experimenting' with tire wear like that, but if i can get 25k out of the factory tires i won't mind buying a new set of 4. car has 17k currently, and there is still some tread depth left on the tire inner edges. not much though.
    re the oil consumption, a quart every 4k miles is not outside the range of "normal" as far as i understand, whether you are talking LT1 LS1 or LS2. my LS2 seems to burn zero oil - longest i've gone between oil change so far is 10k miles. next/now i plan to go 15k since it's the new mobil 1.
  • eliaselias Posts: 2,120
    any of you folks try rotating the 17" tires side to side in order to delay the inner edge destruction? i think this would require dismounting/remounting/rebalance at a cost of about $100. tire rack has these tires new for a mere $130. so the cost/benefit of doing the side-to-side rotate on tires that already have ~20k miles on them might not be quite there. i might give it a try though...
  • elkiiielkiii Posts: 50
    Yes, they both light up. The CHMSL is mounted in the wing because the wing substantually blocks the one on the rear shelf.
  • elkiiielkiii Posts: 50
    GM needs to produce cars that they can sell several hundred thousand a year of and do it profitably. Yes, the GTO can be profitable. But selling 20K to 30K a year does not help much unless the size of your company is designed to survive on these kind of numbers. GM is not.

    This is not about exictement. Its about hitting the mid-market, middle income, car as a toaster type of customer. These are the folks buying all those camrys and accords. If you can't sell these customers profitably then you're dead meat unless you want to be a specialty maker. GM has done that so far with SUVs. And don't confuse the current SUV market with the pickup truck market like the gov't number crunchers like to do. These are vastly different customers. If gas hits $5/gal these SUV folks will be buying even more camrys and accords. The pick up guys will still buy pickups. And GM could be in even more trouble. And car companies in trouble don't have much incentive to produce limited production cars like the GTO.
  • mick1mick1 Posts: 84
    Have 2004 GTO from day one every time it rains water fills the bottom channel on the driver side weather stripping and runs into the car wetting the carpet. Also when I open the door after it rains water runs off the weather stripping and out of the car. Had the plastic water shield and also the weather stripping replaced and it didn't help. Anyone have the same problem. I think the car's great except for this big annoyance.
  • cmcmanuscmcmanus Posts: 19
    So I've been researching into buying a new GTO (or used rather since I can get one with practically no miles for 10k less). I want an 05 with the LS2. With 400hp stock it's hard to imagine what Pontiac would do to turn that into a judge, i mean how ballsy do you need a car to be? But in 04 they made one.....sort of. The GTO Ram Air 6 was a one off concept that was designed to get a lot of buzz around the concept model during it's debut. The Ram Air 6 was a naturally aspirated 6.4litre V8 with a working ram air hood and custom air intake producing 575hp! (That's more than the most powerful Saleen Mustang GT wich is quad turbo charged @ 550hp)!! It also had an incredibly aggressive look compared to the stock model and the beautiful Judge orange color. Now I'm a fan of the subtle lines that the GTO (Holden/Vauxhaul)has. It's not aggressive like a saleen mustang or new sharp edged Charger. However the 400 raging hormonal horses underneath speak for themselves, even a 5.7 Hemi can't hold up to the raw power of a GTO and a Mustang GT is more like a ponycar in comparasin. I hope like heck the GTO is here to stay, even a Judge version would be great. However if you want your GTO to look more like the beast it is, there are body kits and special hoods out there (even one that has ram air scoops that resemble the classic Judge)to give your humble styled GTO some extra sexy lines. Hey a supercharger would also kick some know if you need to race any Ferraris or anything. ;)
  • midwesttradermidwesttrader Posts: 291
    A fairly common problem with these cars. Google GTO water leaks and you'll find the info you want.
  • mick1mick1 Posts: 84
    Thanks, but I have done that. The fix for this water leak has not been found yet. The pontiac dealer is waiting to hear from GM tech assistance.
  • blackflag3blackflag3 Posts: 29
    I've had my 05 GTO since July and have never had a water leak problem of anykind. The car has been trouble free so far. It has the 18 inch wheels so no worry about strut rub.
    This car really honks and the handling is superb.
    I get compliments from young and old alike where ever I go
    and am yet to have anyone say they didn't like the styling.

    Ed in Ohio
  • mitsurobmitsurob Posts: 38
    Same here. I've had my 05 since July 05 and no water leaks here either. I always use the high pressure car wash wand and always check afer each wash, since I've heard of water leaks on various forums. No leaks so far. In fact have not had any problems at all and car still drives great.

    Rob in Indiana.
  • blesseuerblesseuer Posts: 12
    Ed in Ohio,
    Do you drive the car in the ohio snow? curious on how it handles in snow....thanks.
  • blackflag3blackflag3 Posts: 29
    No, the car was kept in the garage this winter.
    Mainly to keep it out of the salt put down on the roads.
    The tires that came on it are not recommended for driving
    in snow. My wife has a 99 Grand Prix that we use for winter driving, going to the store etc. We use the GTO for pleasure driving only.

    Ed in Ohio (Akron Area)
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