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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo



  • speddyspeddy Posts: 16
    Thanks! I used to read this kind of information in Car and Driver, but they stopped puting that sort of information in a long time ago.
  • My wife is 5' tall and finds the Mazda 5 comfortable.

    What we are not happy with is the horrible reliability. :mad: We have a 2007 and the sunroof exploded for no apparent reason soon after getting the car. The clutch exploded at 92,000 km and the engine went at 108,000 km. None of this was covered by Mazda.

    The car has been extremely expensive due to all these problems. I'd go with the Kia. It can't be any less reliable than a Mazda :lemon:

    We joke that our Mazda goes Boom Boom Boom instead of Zoom Zoom Zoom
  • speddyspeddy Posts: 16
    Can you say ugly? My uncle also said that he had a Kia and something went wrong with it and the mechanics couldn't fix it. They even told him that. It would go between half power and full power with no explanation. He had to trade it in for next to nothing. So two big factors to buy the Mazda.
  • Was your uncle's Kia a Rondo or another model, and how long ago? I understand they have made great improvements in reliability in recent years.

    We did buy an '09 Rondo just before Christmas. So far, so good. When my heavy footed husb drives it, the mileage is not good. But all the more reason not to make short stops, and zoom when the light turns green.

    I drove it most of the way from MA > NJ and got 35 mpg. So there.

    One thing that does annoy me is the dome light does not go on when you open only the back gate (Only annoying at night! lol) I am planning to get a stick-on LED light for the post next to the gate.

    Otherwise, very manueverable, peppy drive, lots of room to haul both cargo and people at same time---which is what we were looking for---without being a minivan or a big honking SUV. And it has 3 seats in second row, which the Mazda 5 does not, and which we also need.

    Oh, one other thing---DD goes to college in another year. We were able to put a large down on this one, and we will have it paid off before she eneters---so we will not be carrying a car laon when she is in college. That matters a lot to us. A 30 - 35k car wd not have made that possible.
  • Driversherri--

    We bought an '09 Rondo just bef Christmas. I am 5'3" and DH is 6'2." I'll be the primary driver, so the comfort etc for me counted most in choice--although he has to be able to sit in it too!

    The driver's seat has 3 adjustment controls--you can push a ratchet-lever that makes it higher, you can push another one that changes the angle of the seat back, and there is the usual bar under the seat that slides it back & forth. I make the seat as high as possible--DH finds that too high & changes it. There is plenty of head room no matter who is driving.

    I slide the seat forward more than he does, but you can keep from being right on top of the steering wheel. I also angle the seat back a bit -- I really do not like the way the head protector bumps the back of my head. But I can fix that with adjustment of seat angle.

    We chose the cloth seats (not liking leather in summer), and I sprayed them 3x with Scotchgard before using them. It had snowed heavily 2 dys before we picked it up, so we brought beach towels to put on the seats before we drove it home! I also Scotchgarded the carpeted back deck. I don't know why they put carpet back there--no one is going to sit on it. Plastic would have been better imo. No I did not get the cargo tray--the dealership was a bunch of crooks and we were not going to get anything we did not have to from them. I'll buy one from that place someone else recommended, and I can get it to match the car color there, too.

    As far as comfort goes--I feel fine. I had been driving a Grand Caravan, so this one is a bit less plush than I am accustomed to. But I haven't had a problem on long drives. If I really wanted more softness under my heiny I suppose I wd get a cushion, but so far, it's not an issue.

    I have to say though, that when I scoot up the seat, the console is left behind. I have never driven resting my arm on those things, so this is not an issue for me. In a Rondo the console has 2 "decks," one for items and the other is where the iPod docks, and where you shd stash small stealables. Ours is getting plenty of use from DD. One compartment covers the lower, and the top one has a slightly padded lid.

    If armrests and cushy seats and lumbar support matters so much to you, and mpg does not, have you thought of a Honda Odyssey? Those things are like driving living rooms! Very reliable and safe too.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    I wonder if the I-Start technology replaces the starter for cold-starts??
  • smoothsailinsmoothsailin Posts: 73
    edited February 2010
    We have put about 10.5k miles on our Rondo and so far have not had a single problem w/it. Fuel economy has been a bit disappointing, but whenever my wife will be the primary driver I've come to expect subpar results from any vehicle. Part of the problem is that we only live about three miles from where she works. As a result she tends to to make a lot of short trips and especially in winter I've come to realize that short trips can murder any vehicle's average fuel economy results.

    Note that for the first 2k miles I was the primary driver of our Rondo so that I could be sure it was driven carefully during the break-in period. While I was doing most of the driving most of the initial tank averages fell in the 24-to-29 mpg. However, since my wife took over as primary driver it's been fairly rare for her to top 20 mpg/per tank except when she's driven the car to visit family members living 60-80 miles from our home.

    Except for (my wife's) fuel economy results we've both been very happy with our first Kia. The Rondo appears to be a well-built, reasonably comfortable, fairly quiet, suprisingly roomy, reliable and versatile vehicle (ours is equipped w/the third-row seat).

    I'll mention that I also own a '05 Mazda 3i which has also been totally problem-free as the car's 5-year anniversary approaches with just over 71k miles on the odometer. With conservative driving so far I've averaged 38.8 mpg with my 3i (2.0L w/5-speed manual) with most of the miles accumulated while commuting between home and my office @ ~55 miles/day. Note that this average is based on all miles driven and gallons purchased since I brought the car home from the dealership on 3/1/05.

    While I admittedly like the looks of the Mazda 5 somewhat better than that of our Rondo, I have no regrets over our decision to purchase our Rondo vs. a Mazda 5 due to the better deal we were able to negotiate. We ended up paying 15.1k for our '08 LX V-6 before taxes and fees. MSRP per the window sticker including options for our LX V6 was ~ $22k.
  • 93949394 VancouverPosts: 74
    i don't think I-Start will work very well on a cold engine, in freezing winter.

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  • Did KIA even produce a 2010 Rondo? My local dealers all have only '09s. I have a Sedona minivan which is just too large for my current needs, so I've been looking at the M5 and the Rondo. I've been extremely pleased with the Sedona and would buy a new KIA again without hesitation, though I'm not nuts about the front end appearance of the Rondo - it looks like a Pixar car. :-) <---- or like that icon.

    I find it funny that CR gave the Mazda5 the most points for large wagons, and yet the reliability rating they gave it is just average - and is worse than the Rondo's.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,079
    Kia doesn't make a 2010 Rondo. They stopped and several have pointed to the 2011 Kia Sorento as a likely replacement for it.

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  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    edited April 2010
    Yup, if you live in the US it seems that the '10 Rondo model never made it. Only Canadians got it for North America.

    Brand new '09 Rondos are still for sale I believe, run while they last
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    The Sorento can cost between $22-29K depending on options. That seems too high compared to a Mazda 5.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Apart from the cost, the Sorento is an SUV, completely different type of car IMO (I never looked at the Mazda CX-7 nor the Mazda CX-9 when comparing with the Mazda5 as an example)...
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    can't see the comparison between the Sorento and a Mazda 5 (or even a Rondo), they are totally different vehicles, if you were comparing Mazda products to the Sorento, like coolmazda said you would compare the CX-7 and 9 and I would also add the Tribute.
  • bdobsonbdobson Posts: 3
    the only change was the wheels everything else is as it was in 2009
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    as well as a new design alloy wheels, they added the ECO-minder indicator, that's all I could find when I checked out a 2010 model at my local dealer. Still selling well for them, they ran out of 2009 models late last year.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    I guess I was looking at the basic size and interior dimensions, which are about the same between the sorento and mazda5. The label of "SUV" or "micro-minivan" doesn't mean too much too me...just what they're capable of doing.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    LOL, even this thread got spam, flagged
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Kia Motors Corp. is one of the two car brands of Hyundai of South Korea. It has always been a marginal brand. Its stable mate, Hyundai USA, has a reputation for high quality cars like the Sonata and Genesis. Kia sells "low rent" cars and SUV nameplates like the Sorento and Rio. As GM and Ford (NYSE: F - News) have already discovered, it is expensive to maintain multiple brands and storied car names, including Pontiac, Saturn and Mercury, are disappearing. Most Kia cars sell for $14,000 to $25,000. Hyundai has several cars in the same price range. Hyundai's Sonata has quickly become one of the best-selling cars in America, and its Genesis flagship model competes with mid-sized BMWs and Mercedes. The parent company will take a page from several other global car companies and dump its weakest brand appear-in-2011
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    edited July 2010
    I don't think so, but these guys had predicted some correctly before...
  • 93949394 VancouverPosts: 74
    isn't it the other way around, the Rio is better than Accent, Sorento is better than Santa Fe. i remember couple years ago the Hyundai Elantra only had 2 airbags and no ABS, and the Kia Spectra had standard 6 airbags and ABS.

    the Chevy/Pontiac twin brands worked well for GM until it was hit hard by the recent economic crisis, but Hyundai/Kia took advantage of it and gained market share.

    i'm not sure if the writer of this article knows what he is saying.

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  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    I don't think that guy knows what he's talking about, if both Hyundai and Kia are both making record sales why would you get rid of a profitable division. There could be a possibility that Hyundai could sell off its controlling interest (I think its 38%) so that Kia would be totally independant, but as they share multi-platforms and engines, plus they both doing dramatic transformation of their products that they no longer look similar, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Kia has all these new models coming out over the next year or so, like the 2011 Sportage (end of this month), 2011 Optima (on its launch it outsold the Sonata on its home market), Cadenza, Rio. It's almost as if this article was written about five years ago.

    However, models will disappear, 'cause it looks like coolmazda5 has finally won on all his arguments against the Rondo as that model is being discontinued in the US - but not in Canada.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    edited July 2010
    Yawn, I guess it is too late (5 years?) to have a win or lose argument on the Rondo Mazda5 topic :), I would actually see Mazda survival as a brand in worse shape than the KIA one, but I'm no analyst :D,

    I guess the author is not killing "all" the cars that KIA makes. but rather says that it is better for Hyundai to absorb the KIA brand into its line-up as Hyundai now has much better reputation today than in the past against its Japanese, Korean (OK, KIA), European and America counterparts.

    Hyundai Forte, Hyundai Soul anyone?

    And yes, I guess the Rondo is gone for good in the US. Interestingly enough when Ford is now bringing the C-MAX and Nissan is bringing back the revamped Quest, are non-suv people movers making a comeback (see the Odyssey and the Sienna)?
  • 93949394 VancouverPosts: 74
    i don't have problem with anyone making any prediction, but this writer is not able to present facts and prove he has a good understanding of the Hyundai/Kia brands.

    i bet there is a better chance that oil will hit $150 than Kia disappearing in 2011.

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  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Sad that SUVs are taking over once again :(

    The site reads: "All good things should come to an end, but with endings, come new beginnings, introducing the all new 2011 KIA Sportage..."
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    looks like the Mazda 5 is going to have that niche of the market all to themselves for a while at least in the US, but not so in Canada.
    It won't be long before the 2011 model will be arriving at dealerships. I see the US and Canadian sites are still not showing the details.
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