GM is outselling Ford

chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
edited April 2014 in Chevrolet
autosite.com listings for YTD pickup sales

122,261-Ford F-Series Sales so far this year

104,341-Chevy c/k silverado
27,726-GMC Sierra Sales

132,067-Total GM Full Size Pickup sales

=So far this year GM is outselling F-Series for the first time in a long time.
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  • pepper32pepper32 Member Posts: 23
    I'm tired of driving the best selling pickup.
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    thoughtyou were buying a new silverado? might be that what ever you drive becomes the best selling truck.....lol
  • eric2001eric2001 Member Posts: 482
    Ford has always compared themselves to Chevy only, never to the GM total. From the late seventies up through the early nineties GM outsold Ford. I have to admit though, Ford has been the top for the HD segment, that is until now!!!
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    I was pretty shure that GM was always behind, I'll have to go look at some selling history to see.
  • amoralesamorales Member Posts: 196
    ME! I bought two F150's, a '83 and a '94 and have returned to Chevy/GM. because the Ford trucks became very hideous and ugly as sin beginning with the '97 model year with that BULBOUS front end. I am glad Iam not a monkey see, monkey do person, you know, one that buys a new F150 because another person bought one.
  • svoma123svoma123 Member Posts: 33
    I was reading an article last week, not sure where though. It a Chevy executive as the interviewee. He said that silverado half tons have usually outsold the f-150 counterparts, but if you add in the other trucks ford outsold. Mainly because untill now chevy really didnt compete in the Heavy duty truck segment. I think chevy accounted for 2percent of sales for that segment. FOrd dominants that area. NOw with chevys' HD that could all change. But, I do remember them saying that the silverado sells better then the F-150.
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Both Ford and Chevy make GREAT Pickups..... can't go wrong with either one.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    The 2% figure had to do with chevy diesel sales, not their HD truck line. You are right about the 1/2 ton series, GM combined has been ahead.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Ford, the last few years anyway, has outsold Chev/GMC combined. Ryan always posted the #'s.

    Then Dean would say, "But that doesn't include the C/K series"

    Then mgdvhman would say, "That's because Ford's are cheaper"

    Then someone else would spout, "GM doesn't sell to fleet sales like Ford"

    My favorite from the GM camp was always, "Who cares, being the best selling doesn't mean anything."..........until now! LOL!!!!!
  • smart99smart99 Member Posts: 48
    Ford always outsold Chevy/GMC combined. The reason: Alot of people just like the feeling of driving a Taurus with a bed connected to it.
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    The reason Ford overtook GM is that in the 80's Gm didnt have an extended cab, they didn't have the poduction room for it. This is when Ford started overtaking GM.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    You mean "Cdean" would say.....

    chevytruckfan

    Don't forget that GM took forever to come out with a four door xcab truck. For a profit driven company, some of their execs should get the hatchet.
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    when the F150 came out, GM had a surge in pickup sales, thats partly why they are getting ahead, people that want a real looking truck have Chevy or dodge to pick from.
  • kingfishguskingfishgus Member Posts: 112
    Because of Chevy buying back all those shaking Silverados and reselling them, like they did with mine.
  • smart99smart99 Member Posts: 48
    Yeah I guess Ford did have a 4 door, if you want to count those 2 6" flaps. I'd walk around the block not to drive a Ford. I didn't mind just walking around to the passenger side, although those big 4 door Chevy's really impress the ladies.
  • kit1404kit1404 Member Posts: 124
    In my mind - the GM trucks, on the surface, seem very nice. But, wait - the interior materials seem to go away in a hurry. And, let's don't forget the frame problems that may never go away -the shaking thing. And, then the 4-door configuration on my 2-year-old F-150 is really nice - I drive alone most of the time and don't really want to have to walk around to the passenger side to open up the rear. I would suggest that GM had to strengthen the chassis or make a new pillar as in the new crew-cab models to make an extended-cab 4-door possible. The trucks are close in sales numbers, but the actual designs are pretty far apart - engines included.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Where ya been?

    My silverado has 4 doors and is an ext cab. No frame problems

    Designs far apart? please expand on this one

    Ryan
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The Ford is based on 1997 technology....as shown in the great mpg they get....

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    Chevy owners have the right idea. If you want truck that looks like a truck & has a real frame under it. Then you have to go with a Chevy,Dodge,Gmc. If you want a truck that looks like a bubble & has a frame like a tooth pick. Then you have to go with a Ford,Toyota.
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    I can't believe I'm giving a hard time to someone defending GM trucks but, my uncle who runs a good size asphalt business and has had lots of experience with trucks said the reason the current ram doesn't have a crew cab is because the frame isn't strong enough, dont know if fact or fiction
  • silvsilv Member Posts: 41
    Ryan, same here my Chevy is 4 door with a strong frame and a lot more room in the back than an ext. cab Ford.

    Yea, I'd say the designs are far apart, like the chevy being far ahead of the Ford. You don't even want to start an engine argument. Ford will lose every time.

    But I would take a Ford over one of those Tundras any day of the week. :)

    Silv
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    actually i think the tundra ext cab has more room. i did a little comparison at the autoshow in feb. I was more comfortable in the tundra still not even enough room. I was in there for 1-2 mins only couldnt make it any longer.
  • fordbluefordblue Member Posts: 13
    I assure you my 2001 F250 Superduty Crew Cab 4X4 V10 looks nothing like a bubble, and it sure hauled my # 7500 lb trailer around rather easily. Even passed a Dodge or two on my last trip. Truth is here in Arizona, more people buy Fords or Chevys cause they know they're getting quality and a dam tough truck.
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    Your F-250 still has one of those good for noting SOHC V10's that can not even get out of its on way. If you wanted a real Ford truck to haul with you should have gone with the Powerstroke Diesel.
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    The Dodge truck frame could handle a crew cab. Dodge just never designed a crew cab for this body style. Chevytruck fan I want bash your Chevy truck if you do not bash my Dodge. We can come to a agreement Chevytruck fan we have a common enemy their called Ford trucks.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Dodge has not offered a crew cab before because they didn't feel that there was enough of a market to justify the additional tooling. They have apparently changed thier view on this as the 1500 series for 2002 will be available in a crew cab. The 2500 and 3500 series due out in 2003 are also rumored to have a full crew cab. Dodge was first to have a four door full size truck in the extended cab version. I have one of those '98s and after 48000 miles no squeaks.

    By the way what ever could have possibly given you the idea that the super duty frame is weak? That is a proven winner in the heavy duty market as well as the V-10. You obviously have not driven one of these dodgeram10, or do you even drive at all?
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    dodgeram
    the funny thing is I used to be tried true and ford blue, mainly cause thats what I grew up on (but the rest of my family was Chevy), and when my 74 Dodge wasn't being reliable enough for what I needed and got my grandpas 81 I fell in love and never looked back. Ford really made me mad with the F150's, I really want a 3/4 ton 1 ton but I know my first new truck probably won't be either cause of price. And I don't want a truck that looks like a bubble. Ram and Chevy looks like a real truck (SD Ford's do too).

    But now I like Chevy best and Dodges are growing on me. I was looking at one of the guys Dodges that was doing our sewer hook up, and liked it quite a bit, looked pretty stout (was a manual) great diesel(since I would never buy the duramax). I also drove one company truck at a local tire shop I worked at and that started me on thinking dodge trucks aren't too bad.
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    I should add that while my dodge never left me stranded it made about 6 sounds that I couldn't figure out, and the brakes were horrible,

    fun to drive though, what a beast, going to keep it for off-roading
  • fordbluefordblue Member Posts: 13
    Buddy, my Superduty's as real as a truck can get. Plenty of HP and Torque. And built solid. Picked up a load of landscaping rock #2400 lbs (some toothpick), and the truck just strolled right along. Bought it for heavy use, not to put grocery bags in the bed . I would recommend you load down your dodge and pull a couple of hills to see what it can do. In the meantime stop ragging on Ford Trucks. If my SD is even 1/4 as tough as my 79 F-150 4X4 351M, I'll be happpy as a lark. Had my 79' since 83', and yes it's pulled plenty of dodges, and other trucks, out of arroyos here in the desert. So if you see a 'Bubble', and hear it's V-10, screaming on by you, If you're nice enough I might return to you that little Ram head that'll get blown off.
    See Ya
  • silvsilv Member Posts: 41
    At what 30mph? What's the 0-60 times on one of those 'Bubbles'?

    Sorry but SD and HD pickups don't scream. If you want scream, try my 'Vette.

    Silv
  • chevytruck_fanchevytruck_fan Member Posts: 432
    whats with V10's, why add the two cylinders to make overhaul more expensive down the road when you can make a V8 as tough with no problem as a V10, with more power.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    V-10 engines tend to have more torque and are well suited for HD trucks. Both Dodge and ford use V10 in thier HD lineup. They also are smoother running than a V8. I did not say better or faster, but smoother and more torque. Chevy's big 8 is faster but I'd rather tow a load with Dodge or Ford's V10.
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    The only screaming that I will be hearing from you. Is you screaming on side of the road when the bottom end of your engine comes apart. If you wanted a real truck engine you should have gone with Chevy or Dodge. Not some V-10 engine that is base off the engine from a Lincoln Town Car, and if you do hear screaming from your V-10 it is probley from the week bearings for the crankshaft.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    If you are going to pick on ford, you should at least find accurate to use. I'm sure that there are several things you can find. The 6.8 will power a 7,000# truck faster than the 5.9 liter dodge pushing a 5200# truck and get better mileage to boot. Dodge has a depedable engine but when stacked up to ford, they are weaker, slower and thirstier. I like my Dodge but I know where it comes up short.

    Go pick on the 150's taurus-like styling.
  • jim4444jim4444 Member Posts: 124
    More torque I can see in some cases depending on displacement but smoother? Arent both Ford and Dodges V10's 90 degree designs?

    V8's like 90 degrees to be naturally balanced. If I remember correctly V10's like 72 degrees.
  • fordbluefordblue Member Posts: 13
    If your vette can tow # 7500lbs at 75-85 mph and four wheel through most anything I would consider it. Otherwise you you can keep your stinkin' vette and I'll stick to my pickup trucks.
    Besides, if I wanted a fast car I'd get a mustang anyway.

    Later Dude
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    Why are you comparing the Dodge 5.9 V-8 to the Ford 6.8 V-10. Would the reason be that if you compared the Dodge V-10 to the Ford V-10 you know that the Dodge V-10 would walk away from Ford V-10.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    The Ford V10 runs a balance shaft and is very smooth.

    Not expecting "dodgeram10 year old" to know how to read but they did compare a Ford V10 to the Dodge V10 last year. Despite giving up nearly 80 cubic inches the Ford outperformed the Dodge because of its "superior torque curve". That was the magazine's words, not mine!!!
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    dodgeram10 - I compared the engine efficiency of the two. The larger ford was faster, smoother, more powerful, AND more fuel efficient than the dodge. The ford can push a bigger truck with better performance and STILL get better gas mileage. The dodge engine is very dependable but is out of date.

    jim4444 - As a general rule of thumb, the more cylinders, the smoother the engine. A 10 is smoother than an 8, which is smoother than a 6, which is smoother than a 4. Personally I know of nobody that picked thier truck engine for smoothness. The choice is ussually made because of power, torque, and fuel efficiency.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Actually, the # of cylinders is only a part of the equation. One of the easiest ways is to take the degree of the cylinder bank and times it by the # of cylinders. Any product that equates to 360 or an even fraction thereof (90, 180, 720) is considered naturally balanced. A straight six is probably your most balanced motor with out any out side help. A 90 degree V6 is terrible but can be compensated for by using offset crank pins or balance shafts(like the Ford V10) A 90 degree V8 is 720 or 360 X 2.

    The bottom line with the Ford V10 is that it actually learned from Chevy and 30+ years of Windsor/302 power that if you stick with 1 design and refine it it will be cheaper in the long run. The 4.6/5.4/6.8V10 share MANY parts and basic design. A 3or4valve head that comes out for a 5.4 truck motor will be the same design plus 1 cylinder for the V10. The DOHC 5.4 Navigator motor is a 5.4 with 4.6 Cobra heads. Makes interchangeability ez.
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    Hey in your last post. You said A 3or4valve head that comes out for a 5.4 truck motor will be the same design plus 1 cylinder for the V10. So if I am right you are saying that Ford is going to take their 5.4 V-8 added 1 cylinder & then put on A 3 or 4 valve head. Hey so is this going to be Fords newest truck motor the V-9 & it will have 27 valves with the 3 valve head. Mod you please explain this it seems odd for Ford to produce A V-9.
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    I was just going by what you said in your post read this. A 3or4valve head that comes out for a 5.4 truck motor will be the same design plus 1 cylinder for the V10.
    Did you or did you not say this in your post #41 since you said this you most be the imbecile chat rooms where you're probably the MVP(most valued participant)
  • dodgeram10dodgeram10 Member Posts: 74
    No the only thing you need to realize is that the Sohc V-8 & V-10 are junk.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Dodge is the best, Ford is junk and you are the smartest. Now shoo fly.....I think mommy needs the computer back.
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    balance shaft. It would be awesome to retool for a 60 deg V12, it would fit if you remove
    fan clutch and install electric fan in front of radiator. Smooth too. Should fit in any engine bay of FOMOCO, GM or GERMAN DODGE HD truck. Enough torque to haul manure, cement
    bags, jet skis. For hauing trailers, other trucks, go with diesel. Or install Alum V10 from
    wrecked VIPER in Dodge RAM HD. You not only get the torque but over 450 ponies to boot.

    RETURNING TO TOPIC IMMEDIATELY...
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