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Toyota Matrix



  • kris0877kris0877 Posts: 7
    I'm confused, the local dealer says the STEEL wheel size on base Matrix is 15" while Toyota's website specifies 16". Anybody with base Matrix w/o "B" package?
  • dmundy1dmundy1 Posts: 37
    If you go in and look at the 2004 eBrochure on the Toyota website it has "Red projector Optitron meters with speedometer, tachometer...", so it appears as though the color ('colour' for my fellow Canucks) of the gauges remains red, not white.
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    I had heard that the gauges would remain red, but the font of the numbers or the lighting would be altered so they could be read more easily. If anyone looks at a 2004 in the next few days, let me know about this.

    Any news on the auto light issue? I assume they have fixed this problem in the 2004s?

    I really want to like this car (and buy one). Just want to make sure they fixed the first-year bugs...
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    Ooops, I re-read the manual for the 7th time and the 1.4 quarts is from low dipstick to high dipstick. Egads, why did they even mention that in there./.?? That is SO confusing...
    So in my case, since I pumped the oil out through the dipstick tube, it means that my pump intake tube is only getting as far down as the low point on the dipstick which is why I could only add the 1.4 quarts to top it off.. They must have put some kind of a barrier in there to prevent a tube being inserted into the bottom of the sump. I've never had the problem on any other car... So now I'll have to get underneath and remove the drain plug.. Rats!!!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the steel rims are also 16" for Matrix. There are no 15" rims for this car.

    dmundy: Toyota is notorious for leaving obsolete information on its website temporarily while it updates part of it. Since that "red" description is in the text of "what the car offers", I am hoping they just have not gone to the trouble of re-writing the text yet. If they are white for the '04 year, I will pay to retrofit mine. If they truly do stay red, oh well. I still love the car!

    hurler: I recently had a Matrix loaner from my dealer while mine was being serviced, manufactured last month, and the twilight sensor in there was the revised part, so they are probably not being manufactured with the old part any more. Makes sense, because they are replacing the old one for free on all cars, and they would want to avoid that expense as much as possible by going to the new part ASAP in manufacture, I would think.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    "Car Talk" on NPR this weekend had a caller who was a woman that had just purchased a Matrix six weeks ago and didn't like it any more! :-(

    She had traded in her '91 Honda Civic hatchback for it. I think the Matrix is so much bigger than that Honda, she just had a hard time adjusting to having all the space she needed!

    I think the Matrix is a little deceptive from outside - it looks like a small hatchback, but once you get inside you realize it has almost as much room for people and stuff as a full-size wagon. It would be VERY different going from a '91 Civic hatch to this car.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    What is this about? I don't recall seeing this discussed here earlier...
  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Posts: 435
    I wonder if Toyota fixed the lousy steering wheel position/driving postion for 2004? Sorry...but I did not appreciate the fact that in order to drive a Matrix/ arms would have to be stretched out way ahead of me.
    A shame because it's a well thought out car otherwise.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    yes, lots of people have posted with this issue of strange driving position, not only in Matrix, but in Corolla as well (related models, so no surprise there).

    I don't really get it, because for me it is very comfortable, but it seems that if Toyota added telescoping ability to the steering wheel (like Focus has), it would solve most people's problems with this design. I wish it were also a telescoping wheel - that would be just plain cool! :-)

    I have seen nothing to indicate that Toyota is doing this, however. :-(

    microrepair: some people with early-production Matrixes had a problem, as I had, that the lights would flick on and off all day long, even in bright sunshine, because the twilight sensor thought it was dark out! Toyota issued a TSB and replaced all the affected cars' twilight sensor with a much more sensitive one, and they are building all the new cars since Christmas with the new sensor, so the problem has gone away.

    Unfortunately, people with Vibes did not receive such good product support from Pontiac, which has done nothing to fix this problem for them.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    So it seems like these are the common problems with the Matrix from 2003:
    (1) auto lights (fixed for 2004)
    (2) hard-to-read gauges
    (3) steering wheel too far away
    (4) glare from chrome rings (can be removed and painted or shaded with markers)
    (5) slippery cargo area (do they have a mat for the back of the rear seats)?

    It will be interesting to see if they do anything with (2). I doubt they would fix (3), unfortunately. Were there any other bugs that people found? I heard somewhere that it is VERY difficult to replace either the headlights or taillights. Not sure if this is true...

    Like I said before, I really want to like this car, but if I have to, I'll end up with the Protege5 (more comfortable driving position, easy-to-read gauges, etc.). Plus they are selling in the Boston area for over $4000 off! :-)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    Pro5 is in its last year right now, which should make it a ripping bargain...Matrix is only in its second, so the dealers will be less eager to make bargain deals, I would imagine.

    The chrome rings are a very intentional stylistic element of the Matrix, so I doubt Toyota will change those in this generation of Matrix. I have not had the problem reading the gauges that some have, but I take it that if they made the gauges a lighter color, retaining the "optitron" backlight, it would fix this? Sometimes I really like the red (it is kind of like BMWs gauges), sometimes not.

    They have telescoping steering wheels on some of their models - they could probably add it to the Matrix for an MSRP increase of $100 or less.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    nippononly, you think about $100, give or take, for a telescoping steering wheel? Even if it were $500, I'd consider it, since it take care of the biggest problem I have with the Matrix. Maybe I'll talk to a dealer about this...

    Hopefully some 2004s will be in showrooms soon, since I really would like to buy a new car by the end of this month...
  • LuzerLuzer Posts: 119
    $2000 back
    + $150 Upromise
    + GM Card rebate (for existing credit card holders who have "earned the 5% over the years)
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    Can you wait a bit longer on your purchase? As a Vibe AWD owner, I can honestly say that if my 626 broke down today, I'd go buy another Vibe. However, I do agree with you regarding the lack of telescoping steering wheel. No, the bulbs are not hard to replace, only the lenses (see post on Vibe and Matrix repair page). The reason I asked the first question, is because I am waiting for the new Malibu Maxx to come out. While it will be 5 inches shorter than the Vibe, and it only will come with a 6 cylinder engine, it seems to solve all my other concerns with my Vibe; as a result, I am holding out until September when it is supposed to go into production in KC. I just want to make sure you have check Edmunds' future vehicles, and are aware of all the goodies coming out in the near future. Good luck.
  • stillageekstillageek Posts: 114
    I have a Matrix and can state these bulbs (headlight and foglight) are the easiest to change of the 6 cars I have owned. I have huge hands and easily took out all bulbs for replacement. I swapped all with Sylvania Silverstars. They are brighter than stock (no significant higher wattage) and produce pure white light (not the annoying bright glaring light of some blubs). I even replaced the foglights by reaching down while standing up.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    According to the press release of April 17th at , the Malibu Maxx is 16" longer then the Vibe (187.9" vs 171.9") not 5" shorter. And both the new Malibus come full of new technology and features. It will be interesting to see pricing.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    You need to think out of the box Montana. The Maxx is 5 inches shorter. Think height man, height!!
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    ...I'd consider the Maxx if it came with a stick shift. I'm hearing it won't.

    I'll probably get a 2004 Matrix, although a dealer near me (in Boston) is selling a new 2003 Vibe GT for $4200 off, no gimmicks! That's better than the Protege5 at $4050 off!
  • LuzerLuzer Posts: 119
    So the Maxx is 16" longer and 5" lower than the Vibe...

    shorter is to longer as
    higher is to lower...

    ah SAT's, the days of utes.
    (what's a ute?)
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Box has been adjusted.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    he, he, he...that's why I failed college!! I have never owned a 6 cylinder before. Nonetheless, from what I've researched, the Maxx looks great in comparison to the Vibe. I will scrutinize the height however, since I love how I can just leap into the Vibe. The 5 inches lower will be the biggest concern of mine until the Maxx's debut in September.
  • kendrexkendrex Posts: 1
    The toyota "build it yourself" is offering a MOMO special edition option on the 2004s. What's MOMO?
    Also what should rear tinted windows cost? My local dealer wants $700.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Momo is an aftermarket accessory company. More than likely the momo special edition would include a momo shift knob, momo pedals, and maybe a momo steering wheel.

    As far as the tint goes, your dealer is royally screwing you!! Tinted windows should not cost more than $200 for the entire car.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    of the new TRD package for the '04, and it looks vicious. The rims are smoked alloys, 18 or 19". I don't know if the S/C is part of the package though. It was in a print ad in a magazine.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Which magazine? It will allow me to cruise the racks while my wife food shops tonight.
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    Has anyone seen the 2004 Matrix yet? I'm curious about those gauges...

    It's strange that no Pontiac dealer seems to know when the 2004 Vibe is coming out. Wouldn't they come out at about the same time?
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Every Pontiac dealer knows that production started May 5th, they ordered cars, cars are built and on the way. Every GM dealer also has a power point presentation with a small picture on the new Vibe dash that dosen't show enough details. Now does every salesman (whoes job is to sell the 2003s on the ground) know, of course not.
  • rickg7462rickg7462 Posts: 3
    The "Matrix" emblem was scraped off of my car sometime in the last three days. I was guessing it had something to do with the movie coming out Thursday, but I could be reading to much into that. Has anyone else had a problem like this?
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    ...I think you just convinced me to buy a Vibe! ;-D Hopefully there won't be any movies called "Vibe" coming out soon!

    I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason. I can't recall anyone ever having an emblem taken off their car! Hopefully this isn't the start of some nutty trend...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    is intact, as of lunchtime today...

    montanafan: I don't remember now, I am so sorry! I think it might have been the June MT. The car was yellow. Its looks instantly dusted those of my car, which up until now I thought looked just right! But then, cars always look better in pictures.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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