First Service, TSB - 2014 Mazda MAZDA3 S Long-Term Road Test

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First Service, TSB - 2014 Mazda MAZDA3 S Long-Term Road Test

This long-term update of Edmunds' Mazda 3 includes details about the car's first service.

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coriolis

Any rust on your Mazda3? The 1st and 2nd generation Mazda3's had a terrible reputation for rusting. There have been a few reports of brand new 2014 models already having rust show up in the door hinge and tailgate areas!

roadburner

^^^ Troll much?

sapphiremirage

coriolis may very well be serious. There's a bunch of Mazda enthusiasts over in this forum freaking out about rust around some welding points on their 2014 Mazda3's: http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2014-mazda-3-skyactiv-appearance-interior/58489-rust.html

It's enough to make me reconsider. I'd just like the Edmunds folks to comment on whether their 3 shows any sign of the aforementioned rust (It would be great to see a counterexample) and whether they think it is a serious issue or something they see with all of their other current long-term test models

roadburner

Wow; guerrilla marketing at it's most inept. Three posts(one being a duplicate) waxing hysterical about rust on the Mazda 3. Checking out the link reveals not one picture of the alleged rust. Why am I not surprised?

siddo1960

I leased a new 2014 Mazda 3 last August and after driving it for a few weeks noticed that it was pulling to the left. The dealer told me that I needed to break it in. Then a vent control stopped working and they fixed that. Now the rear door on the driver's side is rusting. The dealer asked if I had a rack on it and I was offended by this since the car literally only has 3300 miles after almost a year. He gave me the option of having one side of the body painted, but said the colors may not match as it ages and that I might be penalized for this at the end of the lease. He suggested using touch up paint to address the issue. He said that it would be put on order but I would have to have the touch up done after it got warmer. My concern is the rust might spread since they dd not to stop the spread. Also, he said I could reapply the paint as needed. Why would a car less than a year old need to have re-application of paint. He asked if I planned on keeping the car at the end of the lease and I rolled my eyes. I was considering a Nissan Juke or VW Gof. I wish that I had looked at the other cars, but the reviews and recommendations for this car were numerous. The care also creaks one day and then does not the next. Not pleased at all with this lease. I think Japanese cars are no longer a swell built as they used to be.

roadburner

Another one-and-done rusting Mazda 3 post.
Surely not!
My 2007 MS3 has 150,000 miles on it- but no rust. It's also dead silent. The only reason I'm not considering a new Mazda 3 is because I'm hoping/waiting for the rumored 2016 MS3 with AWD and at least 300 hp.

leftfootdown

@siddo1960 Just figured I'd let you know that you're not alone with the rusting issues. 2 of my friends have rusting on their 1-2 year old Mazdas as well. I stumbled across this article while trying to see how widespread the rusting problem is. Seems Mazda is as bad as Ford when it comes to rust/paint problems. I was really hoping to get the next gen Mazdaspeed3 if it had AWD, but now that seems like a bad idea. The Evo is gone, the new WRX is terrible with the rev hang, Ford is bringing the RS to the U.S. but they're just as bad as Mazda in the rust/paint department. Sadly enough the Golf R is looking to be the best option.

roadburner

Now we're at four...

rimsky55

Most rust-prone: Mazda 3 based on 15 years of data. That's a little more than four...

http://www.theautonet.com/en/2013/10/09/top-10-best-and-worst-rust-resistant-cars

roadburner

Now at FIVE!

rimsky55

How is that 5 Roadburner? 15 years of data. How many did they sell per year?

roadburner

Five "Rust" posts in this topic. How much do you get paid to post that stuff? Is there a set number of posts you have to make on a specific number of boards? I'm thinking you are receiving more compensation than most since you are the only "Ruster" to troll this topic twice.

rimsky55

roadburner said:

Five "Rust" posts in this topic. How much do you get paid to post that stuff? Is there a set number of posts you have to make on a specific number of boards? I'm thinking you are receiving more compensation than most since you are the only "Ruster" to troll this topic twice.

How much do you get paid by Mazda to defend the issue? People question the rust proof issue, because nobody wants a car rusting, especially in NE US and Canada where salt is applied quite liberally during the winter. I think you are receiving more compensation than most since you are the only "non-Ruster" to troll this topic.

rimsky55

So Roadburner, are you simply saying that APA's study of cars over 15 years is non-scientific? Are you throwing away all data available and that it's all made up?

roadburner

rimsky55 said:

roadburner said:

Five "Rust" posts in this topic. How much do you get paid to post that stuff? Is there a set number of posts you have to make on a specific number of boards? I'm thinking you are receiving more compensation than most since you are the only "Ruster" to troll this topic twice.

How much do you get paid by Mazda to defend the issue? People question the rust proof issue, because nobody wants a car rusting, especially in NE US and Canada where salt is applied quite liberally during the winter. I think you are receiving more compensation than most since you are the only "non-Ruster" to troll this topic.

You've got me- my 8 year old MS3 is a daily driver with 152k on the clock and I have yet to find a speck of rust on the bodywork- or the undercarriage for that matter. I'm just jealous. But keep up your guerrilla marketing- I'm sure you can use the spare cash.

rimsky55

So one data point, and I don't know where you live, whether in a wintry region, means every other copy of the Mazda 3 out there is perfectly fine? Do you even know how absurd your reasoning is?

Here's CAA (Canadian equivalent of AAA) also noting the Mazda 3 is an issue. The CAA definitely is guerrilla marketing, isn't it? https://www.caaquebec.com/en/news/news/article/une-etude-et-un-palmares-pour-contrer-la-rouille/

You still haven't answered - was APA's research faulty? You seem to imply it is, because a data point of n=1 8 year old MS3 implies all Mazda 3's are rust prone.

Do you even live in the NE or in Canada where salt is applied?

roadburner

rimsky55 said:

So Roadburner, are you simply saying that APA's study of cars over 15 years is non-scientific? Are you throwing away all data available and that it's all made up?

Good try WRT to your straw man argument. There's nothing in the article that reveals how their "data" is collected, or what overall methodology is used. Does each car sample have a similar median age? Is surface rust distinguished from rust perforation? Who provides the data? Is it based on a blanket survey?
Aside from that I'm sure it's 100% accurate

rimsky55

Why don't you go look at the study then instead of outright denying it? I find it amusing that you're attacking a study, when you don't even know the methodology.

How many days are the roads salted in Cinncinati?

rimsky55

roadburner said:

You've got me- my 8 year old MS3 is a daily driver with 152k on the clock and I have yet to find a speck of rust on the bodywork- or the undercarriage for that matter.

By the way, that's quote above is also called a anecdotal fallacy, since you like to bring up straw man.

roadburner

You are the one quoting the study- you prove it's valid.

rimsky55

roadburner said:

You are the one quoting the study- you prove it's valid.

That fallacy is called: (shifting the) Burden of proof.

roadburner

rimsky55 said:

roadburner said:

You've got me- my 8 year old MS3 is a daily driver with 152k on the clock and I have yet to find a speck of rust on the bodywork- or the undercarriage for that matter.

By the way, that's[sic] quote above is also called a[sic] anecdotal fallacy, since you like to bring up straw man[sic].

Got it. You are now being paid by the post. One and done doesn't cut it anymore.

rimsky55

roadburner said:

rimsky55 said:

roadburner said:

You've got me- my 8 year old MS3 is a daily driver with 152k on the clock and I have yet to find a speck of rust on the bodywork- or the undercarriage for that matter.

By the way, that's[sic] quote above is also called a[sic] anecdotal fallacy, since you like to bring up straw man[sic].

Got it. (?)

I got it. I love your ability to argue logically.

rimsky55

I have better things to deal with than arguing with someone who just blindly ignores evidence, but in summary:

- There are articles out there saying the pre-2010 Mazda 3's have rust issues. Buyers should read about it to be sure. Roadburner swears there are no rust issues EVER based on 1 data point (his Mazdaspeed 3).
- Post-2010's have supposedly been fixed based on different manufacturing methodology. Time will tell they've held up, but given it's 2015 already, it's probably ok.

roadburner

I'm sure you do; your post count across various forums probably gets you a bonus- but the straw man rears its head once again; I've never said that there are "no rust issues ever." What I have observed is that most every ruster comment is from a "one and done" forum participant. And this form of negative marketing isn't confined to the "rusters;" similar posts show up in other marque specific boards/topics. There WAS a chronic complainer on the X3 topic that wasn't a one and done-quite the opposite, in fact-but I think that guy was just clinically insane.

rimsky55

That's interesting, since Edmunds forum appears to be a separate forum for themselves. I didn't know you can use a Edmunds log in for other forums! Neat!

You're right, you never said it would NEVER rust, so that is my bad. You do, however, seem to be throwing away any evidence in support of it being an issue. You could have easily said, oh look - it was an potentially an issue before 2010, but Mazda even acknowledged the issue and fixed their manufacturing process. Instead, you just reply to the first poster with ^^^ Troll much?

rimsky55

roadburner said:

I'm sure you do; your post count across various forums probably gets you a bonus

That, and the comment I get paid btw, is a fallacy called: Argumentum ad hominem

And given your inability to actual reason and discuss logically: Argumentum ad infinitum

Goodbye!

roadburner

Understood; I'm sure that there must be a lot of forums yet to "seed."

breeze7

My daughter has a 2008 Mazda 3 and there is no rust any where on her car.And she never had any problems with the Mazda 3.

roadburner

breeze7 said:

My daughter has a 2008 Mazda 3 and there is no rust any where on her car.And she never had any problems with the Mazda 3.

According to all the alleged "experts" who have chimed in on this thread, we must be the only two Mazda3 owners in existence who haven't watched our cars disintegrate into mounds of iron oxide fragments...

breeze7

LOL!! Because my daughters 2008 Mazda 3 has not disintegrate into mounds of iron oxide fragments I'm looking for a new Mazda to buy for myself. Her 2008 Mazda 3 is a beautiful car and is in perfect shape. She is a proud owner!

rimsky55

I guess you must be lucky, Roadburner. Even the Gen 3's are showing rust in Toronto. I was considering the 2.5 GT manual, but will have to reconsider now, despite the end of year sale. http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?79615-Gen3-Rust-already

stever

Let's stick to discussing the car please instead of each other. Either you believe that there's rust spots in the linked photos or you don't. More pics of other Mazdas would be helpful.

rimsky55

Understood Stever. Back to the car itself: So if you read the full Toronto Mazda forum - summarizing the issue: Sedans seem to be most affected for Gen 3.

stever

Actually my comment wasn't addressed specifically to you - there's stuff "missing" in the thread that was off-topic. Sorry for the confusion.