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stickguy

I saw an outlander sport last week. That actually looked good. Nice size.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Today I was at a big home improvement store that is just down the street from a Mazda dealer, who was closed. I decided to go take a look at the CX-30 since I hadn’t seen one.

I must be allergic to Mazdas because I had a hard time telling the various SUVs apart from each other. They all look pretty much alike. Plus at this dealer they only had about 4 colours available, about half of them red. Now the Mazda red is a nice color but it is on so many of their models it gets a bit tired. They have a dark blue that is so dark it reads as black, a color called Titanium Flash that looked like one of their famous non-colours, not really gray, not really green or brown, sort of a metallic mud. Then white of course. That was it. I was surprised to find one with what they called a white leather interior. But it was just the seats that were white. Door cards were all black, as was the dash and other interior pieces, without even a hint of the seat color anywhere else. Looked wrong.

The other thing that I found odd was the front end. The leading edge of the hood projects forward over the grille like a knife-edged brow. The forward edge was drawn so sharp that I wondered how it passed whatever pedestrian safety regulations that exist, and it seemed a prime spot for paint chips or dents from road debris and possible rust. Overall it just left me cold.

I like how you use both the Canadian and American spelling of colour/color in your post. You are a true internationalist.

Thinking back I can’t recall ever driving a Mazda with any interior other than black. I always liked the red color paint they had but it sounds like they’re getting fancy with colors so dark they look black.

The CX-30 always seemed too small to me. The CX-5 was better. Mazda has always been criticized for being on the small size compared to competitors.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Actually the guy in the bucket was saying "I can see oldfarmer50 doing doughnuts in his driveway from here".

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

Today I was at a big home improvement store that is just down the street from a Mazda dealer, who was closed. I decided to go take a look at the CX-30 since I hadn’t seen one.

I must be allergic to Mazdas because I had a hard time telling the various SUVs apart from each other. They all look pretty much alike. Plus at this dealer they only had about 4 colours available, about half of them red. Now the Mazda red is a nice color but it is on so many of their models it gets a bit tired. They have a dark blue that is so dark it reads as black, a color called Titanium Flash that looked like one of their famous non-colours, not really gray, not really green or brown, sort of a metallic mud. Then white of course. That was it. I was surprised to find one with what they called a white leather interior. But it was just the seats that were white. Door cards were all black, as was the dash and other interior pieces, without even a hint of the seat color anywhere else. Looked wrong.

The other thing that I found odd was the front end. The leading edge of the hood projects forward over the grille like a knife-edged brow. The forward edge was drawn so sharp that I wondered how it passed whatever pedestrian safety regulations that exist, and it seemed a prime spot for paint chips or dents from road debris and possible rust. Overall it just left me cold.

I like how you use both the Canadian and American spelling of colour/color in your post. You are a true internationalist.
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Since I am in Florida for almost half the year and know quite a few people in the U.S. I try to use the right color/colour. I prefer to keep things simple so I prefer "color" but then my Canadian acquaintances will think I am literate But I do prefer our using the word cheque for a check like you use at the bank. Cheque leaves little confusion about what you are talking about.

I suppose the black interiors keep the costs down......but, what a price to pay!

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

got ambitious finally today and started an application to refi the mortgage. Hopefully they are slightly more caught up. Last I heard there was such high volume it was taking forever. Debated doing it, since it should only be about 4-5 years until paid off, but rates are so low might as well. Plus in 22 months the rate adjusts, so that is guaranteed to be going up. So seems like the right time. as long as it actually works out.

I’m not a financial wizard but doesn’t refinancing at the end of the loan save a minimal amount of money?

I paid off a 60 month car loan 7 months early and only saved $42 in interest.

Yeah your not going to save a whole lot in interest in the last 4 or 5 years of a mortgage if you refinance. You can drop your payments by a lot by refinancing and extending the term of the loan, but it would result in paying more in the end.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I like how you use both the Canadian and American spelling of colour/color in your post. You are a true internationalist.

That must have been an iPad autocorrect to use the Canadian version, since I never spell the word that way myself.

I found my reaction to the CX-30 unusual. I often find something to like in vehicles that interest me enough to go look at them. This one... nothing. Even the black plastic cladding on the exterior, which just about all SUVs have, seemed to look "off" on this one somehow. In contrast, just down the street I pulled into a Toyota dealer lot to see if they had any Corolla hatches in inventory to look at (they had just one, with a black interior of course, so zero interest) and I noticed a 2019 Fusion with just over 15K miles in a color I hadn't seen one in previously. When I walked up to it I realized the interior was also in a color I hadn't seen on one previously, and that it was a hybrid model. This had to have been a special order car. I liked it immediately and if I was in the market I would have had to go back and check it out when they were open for business.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

I’m a sucker for tears. You cry in front of me and I’ll do my level best to soothe your soul and to make you feel better.

My college girlfriend(the Beautiful Bipolar Redhead) could turn on the tears in a nanosecond.

I’ve seen that. Had one park herself outside my college dorm room door and refuse to move unless I came out to talk to her. I did....just to get her out of my dorm. Didn’t work. Plus, it cost money to block phone calls from individuals back then, so it cost me money by trying to “soothe the hurt feelings” because of her incessant phone calls. She was finally banned from entering my dorm.


Best not to get into a protracted “whose fault is it” discussion, too. Those lead to the tears, even if you entirely take the blame. Easy enough to state (in person, for @driver100 suggestion )...”this isn’t working out. It’s time for both of us to move on. I wish you the best, but please don’t contact me anymore. Best of luck!” Tears start. Don’t look back and just walk away. She’ll talk terribly about you for quite some time (usually to your closest friends). But, if you’re not together, her opinion doesn’t matter.

Do it at a neutral sight...not at your place. You are then going to have to “kick her out” which just exacerbates an already tense situation.

Looking back, I’m hoping that these experiences are more a function of my longevity and not of my “jerkiness”. Maybe a little of both!

ab348

In your apparently long and voluminous relationship-ending experience, GG, how does the Seinfeldian "It's not you, it's me" line work out? :laughing:

stickguy

Love the color combo on that fusion. My wife would hate it though.

stickguy

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

got ambitious finally today and started an application to refi the mortgage. Hopefully they are slightly more caught up. Last I heard there was such high volume it was taking forever. Debated doing it, since it should only be about 4-5 years until paid off, but rates are so low might as well. Plus in 22 months the rate adjusts, so that is guaranteed to be going up. So seems like the right time. as long as it actually works out.

I’m not a financial wizard but doesn’t refinancing at the end of the loan save a minimal amount of money?

I paid off a 60 month car loan 7 months early and only saved $42 in interest.

Yeah your not going to save a whole lot in interest in the last 4 or 5 years of a mortgage if you refinance. You can drop your payments by a lot by refinancing and extending the term of the loan, but it would result in paying more in the end.

There is a big difference in interest Paid on a $100,000 loan at 4.5% vs 2.5%. Even if you are working to pay it off early.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

They do the same temp check at the rink where I skate - if there's a hot spot traced back to such a facility, that's the kind of thing people don't forget, better safe than sorry as the bad-PR generated losses will far exceed the costs of a few preventative measures. Completely un-American thinking, I know.

I have a feeling it's going to be a long fall and winter.

oldfarmer50 said:

For sure. They even took all our temperatures with one of those scanners before we could work. I don’t blame them with the media now on the “scare of the day” reporting on every restaurant where a single staff member tested positive.

I’m sure the lawyers will soon pick up on this and exploit it.

I went to my doctor's office about a month ago where they scanned my forehead, it came back in the triple digits. The problem was that it was in the 90's outside and I had just spent about a half hour on the motorcycle with a full face helmet on. They then took my temp orally which read normal. I now wonder what things can cause those scanners to read high, or low, as they read the surface of the skin and not the body temp.

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

Speaking from break up experience....

1. Make it clear that the break up is final....as emphatically and crystal clear as possible without showing any emotion.
2. Make it exceedingly clear that s/he is not to contact you ever again...FOR ANY REASON!
3. Block any and all phone numbers, emails, mail from the former partner!
4. In the highly unlikely event that the former partner is able to get through to you, make it even more emphatic, to the point of raised voice, that they are to NEVER contact you again, and if they do, the next move will be to invoke whatever legal remedies are available for stalking.

Accepting their calls, texts, emails, visits, etc encourages them. DON’T DO THAT!

Speaking from breakup experience I will say that it is totally dependent on the person. I have, and I know people, that had friendly relationships with ex's.

Only burn the bridges that need burning.

ab348

stickguy said:

Love the color combo on that fusion. My wife would hate it though.

From what I can tell, the paint is called Rich Copper Metallic. Never saw that one before. Really popped in the sunshine. The interior looked a little orange in the pics I found but didn't seem to be overly so in person. A really nice combo.

suydam

I had a Mazda 6 wagon that was blue with a light grey leather interior. Really nice combo. Mazda’s now do seem to only have black interiors which is a dealbreaker for me.

andres3

stickguy said:

roadburner said:

Kia has started putting Michelin Primacy tires on some Stingers instead of Pilot Sports. So in addition to a reduced handling capability the top speed is reduced as well.
Meh.

handling feel could make a difference, if a specific driver notices at the margins (and it bothers them) but I really doubt that dropping the top speed limiter from 149 to something like 130 is going to make 1 iota of difference. Not like they limited to 65 or something. It is still way faster than anyone will ever drive the car.

I've seen a Stinger at the track. Wouldn't be my first choice for a track toy; but there you go.

andres3

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

roadburner said:

Kia has started putting Michelin Primacy tires on some Stingers instead of Pilot Sports. So in addition to a reduced handling capability the top speed is reduced as well.
Meh.

handling feel could make a difference, if a specific driver notices at the margins (and it bothers them) but I really doubt that dropping the top speed limiter from 149 to something like 130 is going to make 1 iota of difference. Not like they limited to 65 or something. It is still way faster than anyone will ever drive the car.

Except that they claim to be taking on the Europeans. I'm not buying a car hamstrung by tires that at best are average and also is saddled with a ridiculously low governed top speed(See: Volvo).

I've often said, and am sure I've mentioned it before here, and I'll go ahead and write/say it again:

The boys are separated from the men, and the pretenders (quasi sporty cars) are separated from the truly serious sports vehicles by the tire sizing, setup, and selection.

For example, a base model prior generation S4 came with 245 tires, the larger wheel option being 255 section.
My '06 A3 from 15 years ago came with 225's as a stock tire, and XL (extra load) and Y speed rated.

If your larger than a compact "sports sedan" from 2010 on doesn't even have 245's..... well.... you can figure out which category you are in (staggered tire setups excepted; of course, the larger tire will often be above these thresholds).

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

I saw a Mitsu Mirage with racing stripes like this today.


Why?

The wheels made me not even notice the stripes. Also, the wheels don't match the side mirror housings. Terrible; 3 different blues, none matching.

carnaught

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I saw a Mitsu Mirage with racing stripes like this today.


Why?

The wheels made me not even notice the stripes. Also, the wheels don't match the side mirror housings. Terrible; 3 different blues, none matching.

Our friend, @iluvmysephia1, would love this car

stickguy

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

roadburner said:

Kia has started putting Michelin Primacy tires on some Stingers instead of Pilot Sports. So in addition to a reduced handling capability the top speed is reduced as well.
Meh.

handling feel could make a difference, if a specific driver notices at the margins (and it bothers them) but I really doubt that dropping the top speed limiter from 149 to something like 130 is going to make 1 iota of difference. Not like they limited to 65 or something. It is still way faster than anyone will ever drive the car.

Except that they claim to be taking on the Europeans. I'm not buying a car hamstrung by tires that at best are average and also is saddled with a ridiculously low governed top speed(See: Volvo).

I've often said, and am sure I've mentioned it before here, and I'll go ahead and write/say it again:

The boys are separated from the men, and the pretenders (quasi sporty cars) are separated from the truly serious sports vehicles by the tire sizing, setup, and selection.

For example, a base model prior generation S4 came with 245 tires, the larger wheel option being 255 section.
My '06 A3 from 15 years ago came with 225's as a stock tire, and XL (extra load) and Y speed rated.

If your larger than a compact "sports sedan" from 2010 on doesn't even have 245's..... well.... you can figure out which category you are in (staggered tire setups excepted; of course, the larger tire will often be above these thresholds).

I must be a man. My TLX has 245 19s.

isellhondas

Speaking of wiper blades and such things...I think I must be the only person who dislikes Rain X. I have carefully followed the directions but I get the same kind of chattering that Mike has. After two or three tries I have given up. I'm a solid believer also that aftermarket wiper blades never seem to work as well as OEM replacements.

Michaell

isellhondas said:

Speaking of wiper blades and such things...I think I must be the only person who dislikes Rain X. I have carefully followed the directions but I get the same kind of chattering that Mike has. After two or three tries I have given up. I'm a solid believer also that aftermarket wiper blades never seem to work as well as OEM replacements.

I replaced the blades on my leased Jetta and had chattering.

imidazol97

I'll likely see some of those Mitsubishi Mirage exemplars around here. The metalllic flashy wheels will sell them. Probably a year behind the rest of the county, but around here the coloured wheels a thing with some of the younger set--I'm jealous at times. Me I just like nice quiet chrome wheels.

isellhondas

Back when I was in the tool business we sold or gave away the round stepped type spark plug gappers. At the time, I think our cost on these was around 40 cents. I was told that they would work in silver dollar slot machines providing the slot machine was an older model that were used in some of the smaller casinos in Nevada.

Don't know if this is true or not but I once had a walk in customer buy every one that I had as he was ready to drive to Las Vegas for the weekend. A month later he did the same thing. Never saw him again but he could be buried somewhere in the Nevada desert. At the time I hadn't heard that they would work like a silver dollar. Years later I heard that rumor and always wondered if they really did work.

stickguy

Heard back from mortgage person at the bank. Can do a no fee refi (same balance going forward, just sign and drive like buying a VW!) and my rate will drop about 2/3 of a point on a 10 year term. And no rate adjustment in 2 years. So, a win win.

The real interesting part was I asked what the rate was for a normal, I pay closing costs loan. In this case, about $4,000. Rate is 1/4 point lower, and when I figured out the payment difference it’s about $1,900 over the life. So unless there is a difference I’m missing (escrow for taxes maybe) that means you pay more up front than you will save later. Odd. Once I get the email with the terms sheet I’ll know for sure. But definitely going with no fee up front option. Not bad to convert an ARM to a much lower rate, without fees, and eliminating future rate increases.


Oh, related to card, I always did the math on leases advertised in the paper (remember newspapers having car ads?) when the gave options of 0 down, $1,000 down, etc. quite often, the total cost was lease putting nothing down (without even factoring in investing the saved DP) yet many people still did it because they wanted a lower payment.

explorerx4

Not a car chase and not Italian(French), but kind of funny, especially the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKL9Pssqfxs

isellhondas

omarman said:

I still have a set of feeler gauges in an old tool box in the basement but I can't recall the last car I had which used breaker points. Didn't miss that technology a bit.

I miss having points! I can't charge up the old condensor anymore and leave it on the fender for the nosey neighbor to pick up!

stickguy

Michaell said:

isellhondas said:

Speaking of wiper blades and such things...I think I must be the only person who dislikes Rain X. I have carefully followed the directions but I get the same kind of chattering that Mike has. After two or three tries I have given up. I'm a solid believer also that aftermarket wiper blades never seem to work as well as OEM replacements.

I replaced the blades on my leased Jetta and had chattering.

On the 2015 Jetta daughter always complained about chattery wipers, from only a few months in. Of course, she had it at school and never cleaned the windshield. I scrubbed wipers a few times and helped for a bit. Finally put on aftermarket blades, and pretty much cured the problem until the car went back.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

Heard back from mortgage person at the bank. Can do a no fee refi (same balance going forward, just sign and drive like buying a VW!) and my rate will drop about 2/3 of a point on a 10 year term. And no rate adjustment in 2 years. So, a win win.

The real interesting part was I asked what the rate was for a normal, I pay closing costs loan. In this case, about $4,000. Rate is 1/4 point lower, and when I figured out the payment difference it’s about $1,900 over the life. So unless there is a difference I’m missing (escrow for taxes maybe) that means you pay more up front than you will save later. Odd. Once I get the email with the terms sheet I’ll know for sure. But definitely going with no fee up front option. Not bad to convert an ARM to a much lower rate, without fees, and eliminating future rate increases.

Congrats.

A few months ago, I had a broker trying to convince me to refi. I summarily stated it would not work out because the costs outweighed the benefit. She sent one argumentative email, to which I replied with a long math breakdown for her. Never heard from her again. lol.

sda

explorerx4 said:

Not a car chase and not Italian(French), but kind of funny, especially the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKL9Pssqfxs

Too funny, and so french!

stickguy

Would love to see the elderado on those streets.

dino001

Belmondo had car chase scenes in several movies. Prolific actor in 70s and 80s, a bit of a mix of Roger Moore and Sean Connery.

fintail

I was concerned about that too, as it was warm here, and we had to put on gear before having the temp check. I was 99 both times, which had me a little curious about the accuracy (or if anything was being checked, I suspect many of the teenagers administering the checks don't really care).

snakeweasel said:

I went to my doctor's office about a month ago where they scanned my forehead, it came back in the triple digits. The problem was that it was in the 90's outside and I had just spent about a half hour on the motorcycle with a full face helmet on. They then took my temp orally which read normal. I now wonder what things can cause those scanners to read high, or low, as they read the surface of the skin and not the body temp.

fintail

I like the sound effects, of the period.

I am disappointed the European Vacation chase scene in Italy doesn't appear to be online.

explorerx4 said:

Not a car chase and not Italian(French), but kind of funny, especially the end.

dino001

I'm glad I no longer need those mortgage refi/no refi conversations. Paid mine off last month. This month is first without a payment. Not sure what I'm gonna do with all this money pouring in

graphicguy

isellhondas said:

Speaking of wiper blades and such things...I think I must be the only person who dislikes Rain X. I have carefully followed the directions but I get the same kind of chattering that Mike has. After two or three tries I have given up. I'm a solid believer also that aftermarket wiper blades never seem to work as well as OEM replacements.

Craig...I've had the same experiences with RainX. Never could get it to work the way it's advertised, even after applying it by strictly following the manufacturer's instructions. My Acura wipers worked as well after 3.5 years as they did when new...great longevity. No streaks, no noise.

Stinger wipers seem to work well, too. But, only have 6K miles on them (but have gone through some monumental rain storms and being frozen this past winter).

BTW...thought of you this a.m. as I read an article regarding Amazon wanting to buy some old Sears stores in malls to use as distribution centers.

dino001

Rain X worked really well for me. The secret is it needs certain minimum speed and wipers will wear it off, so if you apply it and then drive slow or stop&go traffic in a rain, you'll wipe it off before enjoying the effect.

graphicguy

explorerx4 said:

Not a car chase and not Italian(French), but kind of funny, especially the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKL9Pssqfxs

Very "80s-ish" with the car stunts and the music. Although, I think the stunts would have been much more entertaining if they would have used the Cadillac at the outset.

stickguy

I can guarantee the tlx goes back with the original blades on it.

stickguy

dino001 said:

I'm glad I no longer need those mortgage refi/no refi conversations. Paid mine off last month. This month is first without a payment. Not sure what I'm gonna do with all this money pouring in

That’s my dream. Sadly, I will still have a big payment because right now, my escrow is higher than the P&I. So even when the loan is paid off, I still have a large payment! Hence the reason I need to get out of NJ.

dino001

Other Belmondo's car chase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcMhm7X7BBA

dino001

But I think one of the best car chase scenes were in Ronin. Several, one in Marseilles, one in Paris.

ab348

The most unbelievable thing about that car chase was that the little Renault was able to take all that abuse without pieces falling off. Not the most robust cars.

stickguy

Helps when you use 10 of them. Like general Lees on dukes of hazard.

driver100

I don't recall ever having chattering wiper blades. Maybe only really new ones make the noise, maybe not as much when they get worn a bit. Also, maybe putting them on before the windshield gets really wet. Wipers shouldn't be on when there is only a few drops.
Wonder if Mike is getting a new windshield, or did the RainX work? Or did it not rain in Florida lately?

driver100

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

I’m a sucker for tears. You cry in front of me and I’ll do my level best to soothe your soul and to make you feel better.

Do it at a neutral sight...not at your place. You are then going to have to “kick her out” which just exacerbates an already tense situation.

Looking back, I’m hoping that these experiences are more a function of my longevity and not of my “jerkiness”. Maybe a little of both!

Consider yourself fortunate GG. I don't recall a woman ever crying when it was time for me to go. It must be nice to be wanted!

stickguy

driver100 said:

I don't recall ever having chattering wiper blades. Maybe only really new ones make the noise, maybe not as much when they get worn a bit. Also, maybe putting them on before the windshield gets really wet. Wipers shouldn't be on when there is only a few drops.
Wonder if Mike is getting a new windshield, or did the RainX work? Or did it not rain in Florida lately?

usually it is either your blades are shot (old/hard/ripped) or, more common, the windshield is dirty with grit, etc. keeping it from being smooth. If the wipers are in good shape, best bet is to scrub down the windshield well (maybe use Bon Ami and 0000 steel wool) to get the glass and clean and smooth as possible. I also use the cleaner and scrubber to scrub down the wiper blades. then wash thoroughly, and clean with good glass cleaner.

if all that doesn't do it, replace the blades. And if it still chatters, then you are Mike.

agreed about not using them without enough water on the window. that is not good.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I like how you use both the Canadian and American spelling of colour/color in your post. You are a true internationalist.

That must have been an iPad autocorrect to use the Canadian version, since I never spell the word that way myself.

I found my reaction to the CX-30 unusual. I often find something to like in vehicles that interest me enough to go look at them. This one... nothing. Even the black plastic cladding on the exterior, which just about all SUVs have, seemed to look "off" on this one somehow. In contrast, just down the street I pulled into a Toyota dealer lot to see if they had any Corolla hatches in inventory to look at (they had just one, with a black interior of course, so zero interest) and I noticed a 2019 Fusion with just over 15K miles in a color I hadn't seen one in previously. When I walked up to it I realized the interior was also in a color I hadn't seen on one previously, and that it was a hybrid model. This had to have been a special order car. I liked it immediately and if I was in the market I would have had to go back and check it out when they were open for business.

I’ve driven a few Fusions in titanium trim and don’t ever remember an interior like that. You’re right it must be a special order.

I don’t care for the exterior but if you like it you might get a good deal seeing that 2020 is the last year.

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

I’m a sucker for tears. You cry in front of me and I’ll do my level best to soothe your soul and to make you feel better.

My college girlfriend(the Beautiful Bipolar Redhead) could turn on the tears in a nanosecond.

I’ve seen that. Had one park herself outside my college dorm room door and refuse to move unless I came out to talk to her. I did....just to get her out of my dorm. Didn’t work. Plus, it cost money to block phone calls from individuals back then, so it cost me money by trying to “soothe the hurt feelings” because of her incessant phone calls. She was finally banned from entering my dorm.


Best not to get into a protracted “whose fault is it” discussion, too. Those lead to the tears, even if you entirely take the blame. Easy enough to state (in person, for @driver100 suggestion )...”this isn’t working out. It’s time for both of us to move on. I wish you the best, but please don’t contact me anymore. Best of luck!” Tears start. Don’t look back and just walk away. She’ll talk terribly about you for quite some time (usually to your closest friends). But, if you’re not together, her opinion doesn’t matter.

Do it at a neutral sight...not at your place. You are then going to have to “kick her out” which just exacerbates an already tense situation.

Looking back, I’m hoping that these experiences are more a function of my longevity and not of my “jerkiness”. Maybe a little of both!

I’ll take door #2.

jmonroe

abacomike

driver100 said:

I don't recall ever having chattering wiper blades. Maybe only really new ones make the noise, maybe not as much when they get worn a bit. Also, maybe putting them on before the windshield gets really wet. Wipers shouldn't be on when there is only a few drops.
Wonder if Mike is getting a new windshield, or did the RainX work? Or did it not rain in Florida lately?

Still waiting to hear from MBUSA. As for RainX, I have not applied it yet to the windshield - just too hot right now. I will use it if Mercedes decides not to replace the windshield.

dino001

ab348 said:

The most unbelievable thing about that car chase was that the little Renault was able to take all that abuse without pieces falling off. Not the most robust cars.

These are FIATs, both races. First is FIAT Uno, the other is, I thinK, 125.