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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Someone over here lobbying (i.e. trolling) on behalf of GM.

    The marketplace knows better. Pick any car, any category and compare what a GM, Ford or Chrysler is worth in 3-5+ years vs. their Japanese or German counterpart. The depreciation is offensive. It has cost me less to own several $50k+ cars than the average $20k GM would have. Not to mention the indignation of rattles and fit and finish defects.

    I am a patriotic American. We are world leaders in many fields. Biotechnology, information technology, aerospace, medicine, etc.. But automobiles - it's embarassing. Is it un-patriotic to call a spade a spade? Not in my book.

    In working for several large public companies, I have always attempted to hold myself and those that worked for me to the highest standards. If the company I now own and manage could only achieve the same standards of quality as GM, I'd retire tomorrow.

    You want to be patriotic? Promote John Hopkins Hospital. Nobody in the world does what they do better. But if you are proud of GM, you are just stupid, blind or both.
  • 759397759397 Posts: 79
    So what does it really say then about GM cars if these "probelm plagued" german vehicles retain more of their value than the resale challenged GM offerings?
  • ugly1ugly1 Posts: 52
    Is this the Audi TT message board? But since I've started let me add another variable. My friends say, Hey isn't your car in the shop alot? And I reply, Well it has 40K on it now and I get oil changes done in between Audi's recommended 10K changes but the point I want to make is that nearly every time I take my car in, the *&%$*@^ idiots at the dealership seem to create a new problem and I have to take it back the next day. I just wonder how much bad service has to do with the numbers. Good help is so hard to find.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Good point - I know of people in this area that won't buy an Audi simply because of the limited options and bad reputation of the dealers. Same with Infiniti for me.
  • I was talking to an Audi Sales manager who thinks the difference in performance is small b/t the 180hp front wheel and the 225 Quattro. Further, he said that you really don't experience the Quattro except if you're turning corners extremely hard, or on wet surfaces. I've had my heart set on a 225, but am now wondering if I'd miss it. Any insight would be appreciated.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    No TT insights here - except that you should test drive each extensively yourself. When I was roadster shopping, I found that there is no substitute for your own rear end to tell you how a car performs and handles.
  • I was talking to an Audi Sales manager who thinks the difference in performance is small b/t the 180hp front wheel and the 225 Quattro. Further, he said that you really don't experience the Quattro except if you're turning corners extremely hard, or on wet surfaces. I've had my heart set on a 225, but am now wondering if I'd miss it. Any insight would be appreciated.
  • vinnynyvinnyny Posts: 774
    Woody: was the sales manager trying to sell you a 180? Audi's own sales brochure shows that the 225Q is quicker and faster by a wide margin (about 1.3 sec quicker to 60 mph and faster by 13 mph). I'm sure he's read the brochures and all the reviews, so he was probably being less than candid.

    You can never have too many horsepower or too much traction!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    If it comes at the expense of weight and balance. Again, I'm no TT expert, but I have heard even among 180 owners in my circles the complaint that it is a heavy car. It is my understanding that Quatro adds a couple more hundred pounds.

    IMHO, quatro is a weight penalty that I would carefully consider before purchasing. Unfortunately, unlike Porsche, the Audi alternative is FWD, which isn't the best handling set-up either. I won't dispute that 225 horsepower is better than 180.

    I still repeat my point that it is a decision requiring seat of the pants testing.
  • ugly1ugly1 Posts: 52
    It is a shame that you can't get 225 w/o geting Quattro. If I ws still living in Calif I would of probably purchased a 180. But living in Cleveland I wouldn't be w/o the Quattro. I drive the car year round(probably the highest mileage '01 around - 41K). I blow by SUV's when its snowing. Probably 'cause they don't know how to use what they have. But anyway, I've also been told that the 225 is a better weight balanced machine due to the added weight/location of the Quattro. Your best deal is to drive them both but IMO the 225 is a blast, rain, shine and snow.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    more on the 180 versus 225

    Does the 180 bhp version have the KKK K03 turbo, whereas the 225 bhp gets the larger KKK K04 turbo?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    Again, like habitat said you have to drive both models to get a fell for them via your "butt-dyno." I also assume you're talking about the TT roadster which comes either 180hp/FWD or 225hp/Quattro. My only qualm with the 180hp version is that the rear suspension is not fully independent (beam connecting the 2 rear wheels). Someone correct me if I'm wrong too please. But you've got to drive 'em both!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    I think that's true because the TT is on the "A"4 platform, like the Golf, Jetta, New Beetle, & GTI.
  • michaell3michaell3 Posts: 1
    Sorry for changing the subject, but has anyone out there had problems with the brakes on their TTs (or other Audis for that matter) constantly squealing? I own a 2001 TT Roadster that squeeks every time I step on the brakes. The dealership is telling me that "all German cars have the same problem," which (I believe) is insane and "the car must be kept clean at all times," which, while making sense, doesn't explain why, even after they (or I) have cleaned the car and brakes, they still squeal. Unfortunatlely, at this point, they're telling me there's nothing they can do. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?

  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    Squealing is not a problem, meaning there is nothing wrong with your brakes mechanicaly, the squeal that you hear is a high frequency vibration between the pads and rotors most of the time, it is caused by the wear patern of the pads, the leading edge of the pads wears first causing a wedge shaped pad undetectable to the eye, when you ligthly step on the brakes, the rear of the pad is in more pressure than the front allowing the front to vibrate, if you step hard on it you wont hear it, there are some compounds applied to the back of the pad to spread the pressure evenly and alleviate the problem. The reason that is more prominent on German cars is because they are built for higher speeds due to the autobahn, their pads are softer because they use more carbon as a filler and less metallic elements, that is why you see more of that black dust on german car rims, but the softer pads prolong the life of the rotors and give a surer stop at high speeds.
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  • Hi. Sorry for not posting in so long. I have put 10,000 miles on my 2001 amulet red TT180 quattro coupe, and the whoosh sound of the turbo still makes me grin. As an aside, I perused the last 100 posts and the troll who disparaged the TT, and her good looks, in comparison to GM products really irritated me. Anyway, on a more positive note, I drive the car everyday into the city. While the commute doesn't give the TT a chance to hum, I appreciate the small size when manuevering in the tight garage. We have taken her on several long distance trips, and she handles better than the vast majority of cars I have driven. Granted, a Porche or Vette she is not, but she pulls .9 gs on the skid with aplomb.

    What I like best about the TT, however, is not the performance characteristics or the well-designed interior. The number 1 reason I like the TT is that it is one of my top 5 favorite designs of all time, a purely subjective view of course, but only one or two people have ever called the TT ugly. Whatever. The TT is beautiful.

    I plan to hang on to the TT for a long time, which will be interesting with kids (hopefully) on the way soon. Our other car is a 2001 BMX XI sedan, which we will most likely trade in for an X5 4.4. I reckon the TT won't work with an infant, not b/c it couldn't accomodate a child's seat, but because my maternal instincts won't allow it. That said, I still plan to hang onto the TT, even if we relegate her to weekend fun trips. Yeah, a great excuse to grab an S4 for daily commuting!

    I am looking into chipping and found the remarks you all contributed on it helpful. The manufacturer I will probably use is GIAC. A local dealer can install same. I am concerned that the chip may increase the risk of engine failure, but the other option is to upgrade to a 225, and I can't sell that to Mr. Bug. As to the warranty issues, as an attorney, the law is pretty clear--the chipping voids only that part of the warranty directly related to the chip.

    So far, the only trouble on the TT has been electric (replaced the instrument cluster, with thanks to the audisucks cite for sending me on the right route) rather than engine-related. So I hope that with reasonably gentle treatment, I can enjoy the extra horsepower (23) and torque (85) and exhaust (15) without destroying the engine.

    If anyone has anymore pros or cons on chipping or other modifications, please advise.
    Best regards to all.

  • skiman2skiman2 Posts: 11
    Hi, does anybody know if there are plans to introduce a 5 speed automatic version of the Audi TT Quatro? If so when will it go on sale.

    I'm anxious to know. Thanks in advance for your insights.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    Rumor mill says an automatic will be available on 180hp FWD TTs only.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • jborden1jborden1 Posts: 12
    Hey all,

    We have had our 225 hp tt for about 3 months and the other day I noticed someone had dinged the door. There is just a small dent on the passenger door. Can dealers get these out relatively cheap. Also I notice that this board is really slow and I would have thought the tt to be talked about, so is there another site I don't know about ?

    Thanks alot

    Jonny B
  • I would really appreciate any help or suggestions anyone cares to give me. Currently my husband is ill, and I am having to deal with some problems on his 2001 TT. In the past two years we have had 14 tires put on the car. It has been alinement twice. The car has 225 engine. I am being told the tires only last for 12,000 to 15,000 miles and that the car comes out of alinement very easily. We are very careful about how we drive the car, and this seems excesive in terms of maintenance. Thanks.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    It's most likely true about the tires. Performance tires, tend to sacriface longevity for traction. It's hard to find a longer wearing tire in the 225/45r17 size.

    I may be wrong on this, but I believe the smallest diameter rims for TT is 16". Downgrading to 16" (and using 205/55 r16 tires) will sacriface traction, but also will allow you greater flexible in tire choices, allowing you to pick a "Touring All-season" tire. You'll need to purchase a new set of rims though. You can get say Michelin Energy MXV4, which has a tire wear warranty of 80,000 miles.

    Hope this helps you.
  • While we are on the subject of tires...I have a 2002 TT 180FWD Roadster. I have the 17 inch high performance tire. I also live in the NE. All the Audi marketing material say not to use these tires in cold weather, ice or snow.

    Although the snows of the last few years have been few I am concerned about driving with these tires in the NE winter. Do any of you change tires for winter? Do you have separate wheels or do you mount winter tires on the same wheel?
  • ugly1ugly1 Posts: 52
    Believe the manual. I live in the Cleveland area and have a ball driving in the snow. I opted to have a dedicated set of tires and wheels for the winter. If you like your stock rims you should consider the same move. You can run 17" snow tires on the stock rims but you can also run 16" snow tires on 16" rims. You won't ruin your beautiful Audi wheels and the 16" tires will be considerably less than 17's. Try BTW 16" rims are the stock rim for TT's w/o the performance package. At least it was in '01. If I remember my calculations right the difference in height between the 16 & 17 is 0.025".
  • I'm seriously considering the purchase of a 2002 Audi TT Coupe, 180 HP FWD (possibly the AWD) but I'm hesitant based on some owner-feedback. Granted, once you spend upwards of 30K on vehicle, you'll probably defend it with your life (kinda like buying a Macintosh, which I have and will continue to do, regardless of the inflated prices and slower processors) which is why it's hard to get an un-biased opinion. The reports of electrical failures on the TT are a bit unsettling since I live in the city, and I would prefer to have my windows stay UP when they're supposed to, and the alarm system active when I'm OUT of the car. After reading all these posts, checking out Edmunds own reviews along with Consumer Reports, the TT appears to be more of a neat looking toy than a fully functioning automobile. I am in no way trying to "dis" the TT, so please don't take that statement as an offensive remark. I've driven one, and I was pleased with the look and feel, except for the fact that you can't really see out the side windows, and if you're too far under a stop light, well, I guess you're out of luck (i.e. can't see the stop light anymore). I'm not interested in a 2003 Tip model. I enjoy manual transmission, and if that feature is discontinued, I'm wondering how well those models (with manual trans) will be supported mechanically (Audi doesn't seem to a have a very good "rap" when it comes to service). So... I'm starting to consider the S2000, but the lack of any trunk space whatsoever bothers me. I'd at least like to fit something other than myself in the car. Ideally I'd like to purchase an Audi TT used, but I can't seem to find a used TT Coupe in the Baltimore/D.C. area. Have most of the problems of the TT been resolved with the 2002 model(s)? I didn't notice any turbo lag when driving the car, but then again, I've never driven a car with turbo. I don't plan on racing anyone, but I would like a car with a bit of a pickup. The S2000 seems to be more of a rocket-on-wheels, but Honda doesn't seem to make cars which are mechanically unreliable (I've owned many, which is why I would purhcase one again). Of course money comes into play, and I'm trying to keep this whole transaction below (or close to) 30K. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "The lack of any trunk space whatsoever"??

    Are you sure you were looking at an S2000? On a recent golf trip, I got my clubs, garment bag, small duffle bag and various other odds and ends in the trunk. Another time, I actually got two sets of clubs in the trunk, albeit one was a travel bag. The S2000 trunk isn't huge, but it does a lot better than a Miata or SLK.

    As for deciding between the TT and S2000, their driving characteristics are about as far apart as you can get in the two seat roadster category. Both are excellent in their own right, just make sure you get the one that compliments your style / preference. Our neighbors bought an early vintage Boxster a few years ago then traded it for a TT 225 roadster after about the 5th time the Boxster top got stuck in the "down" position. Now they are considering trading the TT for an S2000 or M Roadster, ostensibly to get back some of the "sports car feel" they had with the Boxster. When I asked them if either had driven an S2000, they said "no, but we like the looks of yours"! Wonder what they will get next.
  • "Are you sure you were looking at an S2000? On a recent golf trip, I got my clubs, garment bag, small duffle bag and various other odds and ends in the trunk. Another time, I actually got two sets of clubs in the trunk, albeit one was a travel bag. The S2000 trunk isn't huge, but it does a lot better than a Miata or SLK."

    I'm more concerned with the electrical problems reported with the TT. Although it does seem the TT has more trunk space, that probably isn't very useful if the car is being repaired every 30 days. So I'm looking for reliability first, practicality second.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    The reliability reputation of Honda was a factor that caused me to select the S2000 over the Boxster S. I was nearly prepared to pay the $25k premium for the Porsche, but got increasingly concerned about the maintenance and repair factor. Since this was to be a "fun" car, visiting the dealership frequently to resolve problems would have defeated the purpose.

    I have not heard of specific reliability problems with the TT, but if that is your primary concern, you can't do much better than Honda. In addition to being fairly bulletproof, there is a much better dealer network. And, from my experience, S2000 owners are treated like royalty. The one minor problem I had when the car was new (broken top latch) resulted in two calls from the Honda regional representatives to make sure I was happy with the fix.

    I still think the S2000 and TT are very different cars from a driver's perspective, but if you are going to make your choice based upon reliability, that's up to you.
  • How's the outside noise with the S2000? If i purchased one, I'd opt for the Hard Top since I'm not really interested in a convertible/top down. The introduction of Tiptronic only in the 180 HP models of the TT is a serious drawback.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Noise can be an issue in the S2000 with the top up. This is a high strung sports car. Even in 6th gear, it's running at 4,000 rpm at 70 mph. I suspect that even with the hard top option, the TT coupe would probably be quieter at highway speeds. I myself don't find the noise objectionable, but I have a Nissan Maxima to fall back on, if I'm carting around one or more business associates.

    If you really don't want a convertible, perhaps you should consider the Nissan 350Z or Infinity G35 Coupe as alternatives. From what I've heard, the Nissan/Infiniti are a step down from the S2000 in handling precision, but they make thier power through lower reving (i.e. quieter) V-6's. Again, I personally liked the fact that the S2000 was a limited production, mostly hand built "sports" car, and would have probably opted for a Boxster S rather than go the mass market GT/coupe route. But they may be worth your consideration.
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