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Low End Sedans (under $16k)



  • ross14ross14 Posts: 36
    Wish cars would stick to names, instead of numbers & letters.The Accent GS is potentially the most for the money. With a rebate( in time), best warranty, fully adjustable & comfortable seats, & an explosively low price, I may part ways with loyalty to Toyota. Is it in the U.S. yet?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    When I asked my local dealer last week he said he didn't know when the Accent 3-doors were coming.
  • ross14ross14 Posts: 36
    Just visited the little cars at the NY Autoshow. Is there a worse interior than the ION? This 2nd generation Ion, perhaps, is an indicator of how clueless GM is. How much research was done developing the drivers seat? Is there a passenger car with a lower seat? And how about Ford. Europe gets a new Focus, & now the S-max, while US Ford wallows in dullness, & old Focus'.
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    Alright my mom is finally looking to replace her 1993 Olds Ciera. She lives about 70 miles southeast of Dallas and she would have to commute for work ....any suggestions?
  • Bus. Seriously. I drive buses for a living. We can move 35 people for $3.00 each some 20-25 miles commuting. That's $100 in fares. My salary is $15 per hour. I burn about $15 per hour in diesel. Trust me, my employer is masking a profit around 25%, even with fuel costing what it does.
    We make traffic less of a problem, because 1 bus doesn't take up the room of 35 Yaris', let alone SUVs. Commuters pay $120 a month to ride the bus. What car can you own, with fuel, insurance and upkeep for 2x that price?
    Before I was a bus driver, we were a 2 car family. Now we are a 1 car family. I am partners in a small business that owns a car, so technically we are a 1.5 car family.
    I believe in public transit. I know it works.
  • lightfootfllightfootfl Posts: 442
    Agreed, provided the locations can use it. Unfortunately, the majority of (areas) places in the US not only don't have such, but it would not be reasonable. Those places that do have public transportation find that most people don't use it anyway. We have become a society of personal vehicle users. :( ?
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    okey guys I am on this site to ask opinions about subcompact cars....a bus in East Texas is like ice in Hell. But I do ride the train here in Dallas I am about a mile from the northern most stop and take me right into downtown Dallas..

    Any way cars prospects for my mom. Please. :D
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    At 140 miles a day that equates to something like 35,000 miles a year, not counting what she would put on during weekends. For that kind of miles, first I'd recommend she get something with a smooth ride, comfy driver's seat, and cruise. High fuel economy is very important of course. I don't know what her budget is. A couple of choices that pop into mind are the Corolla, if she finds the driver's seat comfortable (this is a problem for many people). High mpg, comfy, reliable. Another is the Elantra, which is a good bet for her if the Corolla is uncomfortable as its driver's seat is more adjustable. Very smooth ride also, not quite as good fuel economy but capable of mid 30s even at 70-75 mph. Corolla has better side crash ratings (when equipped with the optional side bags/curtains). One advantage of both the Corolla and Elantra is that they are older designs so you could find a good used one and save some money.

    In this low-end class the Accent and Rio have a smooth ride for their size but don't have cruise available. The Yaris would be worth a look but once it is optioned well, it gets very clost to the Corolla's price, and the Corolla has a higher highway mpg rating and has a smoother ride. The Civic LX is pricey but would also be a good bet for a nice-riding, fuel-efficient, reliable car.

    Also, at those miles she is someone who could actually come out financially ahead with a slightly-used hybrid like the Prius or Civic hybrid. Might be tough to find one of those now, however.
  • subcompactsubcompact Posts: 3
    As a bus driver, I find that hard to swallow. A cash fare ride on my commuter bus is $4. If you buy 10 tickets for $35 the book is good for 1 month. If you buy 30 tickets for $90, the book is good for 3 months. I drive to work because I have to get there at 6 am and I'm the first bus out of the depot. My particular bus seats 28. I make 3 morning trips. Then I get a break. I do two more afternoon trips and evening rush. The other driver on my route starts later, gets a break just before evening rush and takes two more trips at night. Basically the route is serviced from 6:15am until about 8:15pm. Three other routes are serviced by single buses that seat, plus the second bus on my route seats 20. In all honesty, the maker is a school bus company, they just chose transit style seats over school bus style seats. It is rare these days to have an empty seat, as there is no public transit system serving this area, just a modest one in the city we serve.
    We also operate a fleet of school buses. Since I was hired in 2002, our commuter business has doubled. I always like to think this is just the beginning of a comeback.
  • carfanatic007carfanatic007 Posts: 267
    According to Car and Driver and Edmunds. I don't know why anyone would buy them. But, it's your money.
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    I understand my self what your saying...I do ride our DART bus and train system......but, and its a big one, alot of the surrounding cities are not in the DART system ,and you have to drive to some far out places once in a while. That is why I bought a subcompact myself. When I cant take the bus or train. :D
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    I got to talk to Mom tonight and she dislikes the bland. The Elantra she kinda likes and the Yaris hatchback she just thought was cute...the Honda Fit she also liked I have sent her some brouchers and she got the package saturday...and read them today....I will talk to her on thursday and give her the info I collect from far.

    Thanks to everyone so far for the help.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    If she goes for a Fit (any of these cars for that matter), make sure she takes it on a long test drive. The Fit has been reported to have a firm ride. May not be an issue if the roads your mom drives on are smooth. Also the RPMs on the Fit are pretty high on the highway with the stick, so she might want to check out the automatic--much lower RPMs.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    Well, if C/D thinks the Fit is "far superior" to Toyota, Kia or Hyunda, then that is obviously true for everyone and we should all run out and buy a Fit. ;)

    Oh wait... there will be less than 40,000 of them imported this year and they are going for MSRP or more. It isn't even available for purchase at some Honda dealerships--like the one closest to me. That could be a problem. And the Fit doesn't have a height-adjustable driver's seat, so it doesn't fit many of us (at least one Fit buyer has already sold his, it was so uncomfortable). I guess lots of unlucky people will need to look elsewhere if they want a low-end car.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 KC MetroPosts: 6,876
    dealer in gun-metal grey. It is a 5-speed and with the "Market Adjustment" tag applied next to the sticker the price rings up over $16,000 before T & L. Sorry, but that's pushing it a bit on the price. Plus, that thing is so homely it gives me fits!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • tomsr1tomsr1 Posts: 130
    Any dealer that has an add on sticker for
    market adjustment should be ignored. There
    are too many good cars out there to fall
    for that BS.Of course there are always
    stupid people who will fall for it.
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    sounds like a crooked dealer to me .....
  • carfanatic007carfanatic007 Posts: 267
    Backy. I realize you love Korean cars, i.e., Hyundai, Kia, etc. You gently slam the fit in here regularly. I can understand. However, I seriously doubt that anyone has already "sold" there fit because it was uncomfortable. That, I find HARD to believe.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    I am sorry you mistake my disappointment over some aspects of the Fit, particularly the lack of adjustments for the driver's seat, as "slamming" the Fit. As I have already stated in the Fit discussions, the Fit is #1 on my shopping list for my next car. I love the design and really hoped it would "fit" me. But that is a big question mark, until I can get behind the wheel.

    I like some Hyundais and Kias and think that in general they are excellent values and increasingly are very good cars. One thing they have figured out how to do, which apparently Honda has not, is how to build a small car with an exceptionally comfortable driving position.

    Also, before you accuse someone of lying you should do some research:

    spotbearsd, "Honda Fit - seat adjustment issues" #40, 25 Apr 2006 10:41 pm
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    It happens. Pretty common when a car has higher demand than production. It seems lots of Honda dealers are marking up Fits, or adding dealer junk to jack up the price, errr, their profit. Personally, I refuse to pay over MSRP. Well, I might I suppose, if it were a diesel that got 55mpg. We don't think twice about bargaining down when we have the upper supply/demand advantage hand.
  • carfanatic007carfanatic007 Posts: 267
    I never accused you of lying. I said it was hard to believe. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would trade in a week old Honda Fit for a Nissan Murano. Two completely different vehicles. Sounds fake to me, that is what I meant. I like Honda. I think Japanese vehicles are far superior to Korean vehicles. That is my opinion.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    I made a statement of fact, that someone had already sold their Fit because of an uncomfortable driving position. To that you replied:

    However, I seriously doubt that anyone has already "sold" there fit because it was uncomfortable. That, I find HARD to believe.

    When you "seriously doubt" and find "HARD to believe" someone when they have made a statement of fact, you are basically saying they are lying. A more friendly way of expressing your shock over such behavior might be, "Wow, I am really surprised someone would do that!"

    And by saying the story about getting rid of the Fit for a Murano sounds "fake", you are saying that you think the poster who told us about that experience is lying too.

    Which Korean vehicles in this class have you driven? The 2006 Rio? 2006 Rio5? 2006 Accent? Aveo? I don't think the Aveo is competitive anymore in this class, but if you haven't driven the latest models from Korea you might want to do that, as you might be pleasantly surprised if you do it with an open mind.

    You see, I am a Honda fan also and loved the two Civics I owned. But I am not stuck on any one brand, or country. Let the best car for my needs win (my money).
  • ross14ross14 Posts: 36
    The Olds Ciera is not small, or very economical. It has great sightlines( hood & trunk may be seen if Mom is tall enough). Is she ready to downsize? If not, the Camry 4 cylinder with adjustable seats is very comfortable for my petite wife. The Camry Le lifts her way up, whereas the Accord needs the most expensive model to get the height option. We get over 25 on the Hwy On our 2006. If mom feels safe in downsizing, the Elantra has wonderful seat adjustment, average mpg, & best warranty. I have 2 close friends with Elantras, & they are very saisfied. I would not suggest the new Honda Civic, because the sightlines are ridiculous. Mom might also get a kick out of the old Rav 4, or the Honda CRV, or the Matrix.
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    Thanks. Well I have found out my mom wants a small and I do mean small car...I had a Ford Festiva years ago and she like my 99 Metro I had and wants close to the same kind of mileage...I did explain to her cars are heavier now and the mileage is lower on the small cars. I took a buttload of brouchers to Mom. Her picks were the Yaris, Fit, Aveo, 3-door Accent and the Rio5. Now she says could you get me some more info on them ....I wish she had a computer. So I am going to all the forums and listening to everyone talk about all the cars (except the 3-door Accent, sedan will be close).
  • ross14ross14 Posts: 36
    Assuming all the cars were 2 doors( Except the Rio5 4door), your Mom is picking cars way under 160" long. Even I would hesitate to drive 140 miles round trip in a Mini vehicle. I've had shorter cars( Fiat 600, & Bug-eyed Sprite) which I've enjoyed on the road, but never would they be acceptable as daily long trip rides. How about a minimum weight of 2700 pounds, with air bags front & side installed?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    First thing mom should do is draw up a list of requirements, then divide it into two categories: "blockers" (must-haves) and "pushers" (not a must-have, but if the car has it or does it better than other cars, it's a plus). Then she should review the specs to see if any cars can be eliminated just based on those and her "blockers". Then she should test-drive the remaining cars. For now, all she could drive are the Yaris, Fit, Aveo, and Rio5. (The Accent 3-door should be out soon. May want to wait for the 3-door since the suspension and steering, and back seat, are different from the 4-door.) Then eliminate any cars that don't meet all the "blockers" based on the test drive, and rank the others based on the "pushers".
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    I found the Accent 4-door very comfortable and quiet on the highway and I expect it would make a good highway cruiser--except no cruise control! The Rio5 was similar but a little firmer ride and better handling. The Yaris 4-door wasn't a bad highway car either, and cruise is available. The Fit is a little firm but if the highways are smooth the automatic cruises quite nicely also--although cruise is available only on the Sport model. All these cars are available with ABS and side bags/curtains, except they seem harder to find with the Yaris since they are optional (also ABS is optional on the Rio5 and Accent GS). One thing, though--I would wait for the IIHS crash test results before buying one of these small cars. Especially if it were for my mom. :)
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    My mom will come up to Dallas the second week of June and we will hunt for cars and draw up a list. Believe me my mother has drove small cars most of her life and can more than handle it. By the way, she isnt that old.
  • cargirl13cargirl13 Posts: 22
    I am looking for a compact sedan. Right now, I am comparing the accent and corolla. Also, interested in mazda 3 and focus. Anyone bought any of these cars around here recently. If so, from what dealership? Any good dealerships? Any horror stories?

    Any advice would be much appreciated!
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    If you live in a major metropolitan area, the "ad specials" on Corollas are very hard to beat, offering $2,000 to $3,000 of discount. Toyota is the gold standard and the Corolla will deliver years of good service. The Mazda3 is more of an enthusiast's car, less of an appliance, but reliability is lower, resale isn't as good, and dealers are harder to find. Consider them the VW of Japanese cars. The Ford Focus is a Mazda3 on the last generation chassis and with the lowest resale value. It has been recommended by Consumer Reports, and I have owned several, but I can only recommend it at firesale prices (heavy rebates) due to the depreication thing.
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