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2013 and earlier-Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    OK, Brian,

    I have bitten my tongue here for some time because I know you're a nice guy that is sincerely trying to help. Why you care so much and take this so seriously is beyond me but...hey..to each his/her own.

    You continue to urge people to wait until month end to buy cars. I can honestly say after over 13 years in the Honda business that that makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever when buying a car! Now, the stores may say it does in an attempt to encourage a sense of urgency but it really doesn't make any difference.

    We are coming up on mid-September and Accords are selling well. People wil wait that HAVE to have a certain model or color combination and they will miss out. now, IF a store HAPPENS to have the exact car someone wants, they will try to maximize their profit on it. It takes five minutes to print out a form listing all of the inventory in the area. If they know they have the ONLY black EXL Accord in the state, why would they cheap sell it?

    You also suggest that prospective buyers bypass the sales people and deal directly with a Sales Manager or the Internet Manager.

    Have you ever worked in a busy car dealership?

    The Sales Managers do NOT have time to deal with individual customers. They will turn you over to a (gasp) SALESPERSON. The so called " Internet Manager" is generally another salesperson, perhaps a more experience one than the liners most stores turn over on a monthly basis.

    Most stores have several " Internet Managers" because they know people seem to think they can somehow get a better deal by not dealing with a common salesperson.

    Lastly to the shoppers out there...inventories are shrinking on a daily basis. I watched every years as "smart shoppers" tried to find the car of their dreams in late September only to find out they were all gone.

    Brian, I do applaud your efforts and I do know that you mean well.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    cartime, there is a big difference between a "reasonable" price and the prices some people offer. Dealers will accept reasonable offers.

    But when someone makes an offer that makes no sense, those are the offers that get declined.

    If you have talked to 20 dealers, you should be getting the message that they don't want your business for what you are trying to pay!

    There is no "magic" involved here. You have been led astray and now have unreasonable expectations.

    And....while you are doing this, inventories are depleting and prices are prices are climbing. Time is NOT on your side!
  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 654
    This is why I posted a day or two ago that depending on the urgency of the need or want for a new accord, maybe the focus should be toward a 2014. It's like some folks are under some sort of spell and can't break free - amazing!
    2016 ES350 Lux/Atomic Silver
    2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    edited September 2013
    It is kinda like a spell.

    They have a Pied Piper.

    They are hearing what they want to hear and what they are hearing doesn't involve reality in most cases.

    I watched this happen every year and it was amusing at times.
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,888
    edited September 2013
    isellhondas

    Been buying new vehicles for 40 yrs.. I have no clue what your talking about.

    My way of buying cuts thru all that dealership nonsense with the least amount of time finding the best possible deal. Why should there be any loyalty to one dealership. By dealing with the int/ mgrs means they are authorized to meet my price.. Not a salesman. or Rep. waste of time in my book. Been proven in here over and over read these boards.

    Your amazed or mad at me cause i tell people how to get around a sales rep or salesman/ or who is the best person to deal with in making there trans action.

    I tell folks when the best time to buy

    How to buy

    What supply and demand does to them

    What prices they should shoot for { meaning there area market price. ] Knowledge of pricing

    How to buy out of state

    What charges they should fight

    i advise everyone dont fall into the trap of thinking the best prices your reading in other states you will get. I'm very consistent and like a broken record on that.

    The advice i give in these forums saves people alot of money..
    Personally most of the people in here cant negotiate which leads to pricing frustration.

    Half the people in this forum are trying to buy a Accord in the beg/ middle of the month... Are you reading all the nonsense they go thru.? Why go thru that.. LOL .. what a joke. Are you reading these boards .. Salesman chasing people in the parking lots after they walked out tired of all the game playing that went on four hours. Being lied to about pricing and vehicle availability. Come on the hits can go on all night. Dealers unwillingness to not give you a strait answer. Dealers adding flex cash and all incentives to think your getting a good price,

    So i ask you . You seem like a nice guy trying to help.

    Why do you insist on telling these people lie's. People in these forum are looking to save as much as they could. Your way offers them no hope at all.

    Except having to deal with more bs and nonsense from your side of the desk. Maybe not so much when you worked. I will help you avoid that.

    You seem to only pick your posts where posters are terrible at the buying game.

    I'm sure there is a handful of guys who i helped in this forum who will tell you different.

    I struck a deal last week for mike 372 In between a shower and dinner plans you should go back and read it. Mike should of easily made that same deal if not better. What i teach works... need to apply it.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • fxguyfxguy Posts: 132
    Car sales men have a bad reputation for a reason. They are some lying, low down, say anything, do almost anything kind of guys. I despise them and cant stand their nonsense. Isellhondas was a salesman. He may be retired but his posts are almost always to tell US to stop playing games and bow down to the sales men. Silly rabbit.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    OK, brian,

    Since you called me a liar I am now done with you.

    Some of the "expert" advice that you dispense from your self appointed throne is usable and some of your other advice is going to lead to a bunch of frustrated would be buyers.

    I'm sure you will carry on....
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,888
    edited September 2013
    isell,,,,,,,,,,,, you are a Respectable guy. We just disagree on differnt sides of the desk. .........My record speaks for its self in the buying game. You call me out often. If you cant dish it out.......... dont give it. I lie to nobody in hear. I give them the best Tools/ advise and chance for the lowest price in there area.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    Absolutely! A lot of stores are deserving of the reputation that they have and they hire salespeople that they turn over monthly.

    I despise them too. More than you do.

    I don't think I have ever suggested that anyone bow down to anyone.

    Game playing works both ways...big time!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    You called me a liar...remember! We are done!

    I just hope your readers temper your advice. What you suggest may work sometimes but the market changes quickly and your advice is timeworn.

    My record speaks for itself too. More than you'll ever know.
  • Hi Suvakumar,

    I got an email from Eric - he was not working on Saturday. Hopefully he is working on Sunday and will contact you. If you don't hear from him soon, you should contact him by email or phone on Sunday in case he misplaced your contact info. At least he will know you are the person I asked him about. if you don't have his contact info, call the dealership and say you misplaced it. I was clear that you are just interested in a 2013 new black/black EXL if they have it on the lot and I'd appreciate it if he could just let you know either way if they had it since you received some conflicting news. You can refer to me as "D" if he asks. When he refers to me by my first name, just agree. Again, I told hiim you are a 'friend of a friend' so you don't really know me personally. Good luck.
  • Herb chambers @ 25,550.
  • Thanks "D"! Appreciate your help.
  • bluemkn57carsbluemkn57cars Boston, MAPosts: 365
    Did you hear back from Ben at Honda Cars?
  • bluemkn57carsbluemkn57cars Boston, MAPosts: 365
    edited September 2013
    I am going to offer you some tough advice right now.

    To anyone still looking to buy a 2013 Accord in a specific trim and color within the next few weeks or so, be prepared for long negotiations with dealers if you want them to come close to your desired price. The 9th generation Accord has been selling quite well, and depending on the market (supply and demand), inventory is dwindling fast.

    Before my purchase, I did a lot of research by reading about invoice pricing, below invoice pricing, negotiation techniques, making a reasonable offer, how to close the deal and I learned from my mistakes after visiting a few dealerships during my car search.

    After a couple of months, I found a few dealerships that came close to my sales price and were prepared to work with me. I was able to narrow down those who also had flex cash, since that was a deal breaker for me.

    I would not recommend that anyone wait till the end of this month to buy a 2013 model, since inventory on some trims is dwindling very fast. Start reaching out to dealerships asap. If you can wait for prices to drop on the 2014 model year, then that might be best. On the other hand, if you really have to buy a 2013 model, then you might have to compromise on your sales price.

    Telling a dealership who has low inventory of a specific model trim, that you will buy today for say $1500 below invoice, may not work this month as well as it did in previous months.

    Just my $0.02.
  • Thanks Brian, I appreciate your offer to help. To others who talk about making reasonable offers, all I've been asking for from the last 2 dealers I spoke to is $1200 below invoice. Considering that the dealers initial offers are $500 below I don't think I'm asking too much of these guys but no one wants to budge.

    Brian, if I need to wait until the end of the month to get that kind of pricing, I will follow your advice. However I am a little worried about the inventory of the black ex-L, so if you think $1200 below is a breeze for you to get this time of month, would you be willing to get the ball rolling early?
  • Hi

    I am looking for a 2014 Accord EXL . What might be my target price. I saw true car quoted around 26,300 in my area. Anyone who bought a similar trim share their price.

    regards
    Brainage2
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,888
    edited September 2013
    ELON,
    Find your model and color choice and work only with those dealerships on pricing. At the end of the week or month is what pricing is going to be with certain dealerships.

    I could only do exactly what you will be doing. Use some of my negotiating tips to get better pricing. If your emailing dealerships target the internet managers.. Email them directly or call them. If your visiting dealerships do not play stupid negotiate with the knowledge you learned in here. If a dealership has high doc fee's let them know when your negotiating,, if he is using flex cash to get you to 500 below invoice let him know about it. If they want a charge to find you your model tell him No. Find dealerships with more exl models on there lot. Visit /call your targeted dealerships and post back here with pricing and we will help you.

    I proved my point last month with mike 372 taking one dealers limited stock of lx models and securing a deal for 1369 below invoice. That does not mean you may get that this month. Your window of opportunity could of been

    last month but you were away at the end of the month. This months limited stock could be worse.

    I cant openly negotiate in this forum for you guys it violates the price paid forum policy. The same would apply to salesman soliciting business in here for dealerships. Thats why Isellhondas always states he is retired and has no dog in this fight. What i tell you guys in here is exactly how i get that good price. If you were to do just a half [non-permissible content removed] attempt at what i'm telling you guys Your pricing will still be better than most buyers.

    Unfortunately supply and demand has really effect our market pricing with very limited stock in certain area's. If you fall into that category it would be your decision to buy at that price or go for the 2014 model.

    To answer your most important question. Do i think 1200 was a unreasonable offer for a 9 month old model accord where most likely 500 flex cash will be used to get to that number along with dealers doc fee's .... NO. So you try pricing this month making your best deal regardless if your paying 500 below or 1500 below. You played the game and recieved the best pricing from many dealerships.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • Good luck. Heed the advice of those on the board, you may not get 24900 without flex cash, which would be a great deal. I think you may have decisions to make, are you willing to pay a few hundred more or compromise on the color. The modern steel is a dark color and the silver is also very nice. But I know 'to each their own' on color preference. And once I picked the color I wanted I could not be talked out of it. I'm starting to sound like a car dealer.

    PS - If you do go with Prime, do not agree to the extended warranty prices. If you balk the prices are lowered for sure, but they still are not lower than you can get over the internet...if you have any interest in them at all.

    Also ask for free oil changes. I ended up with 3 from the deal and then one when i went in from the finance manager. They want good ratings for the Honda survey.

    I really hope Honda Cars comes through for you. It just seems like a no games kinda place based on blue's experience. I know Boch seemed ready to deal with me again last week, so if you are willing to compromise on your color and Prime/Honda Cars doesn't come thru for you - you can try them. But I would only reach out to them as a last resort. They are totally hard core.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 19,655
    Actually I AM retired and anyone who has been around these forums for a long time knows that. I left three years ago.

    I have been a member of these forums since they began around 1996 I believe and I have NEVER, EVER solicited business.

    There were some that did but I played by the rules...always!
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,888
    edited September 2013
    Craig

    I never implied that about you. You always state that . I like you enjoy being in these forums . And for either you or i getting tossed out of here because how we feel about the Car business is foolish.

    I'm not in these forums looking to buy folks cars That is there job.......... and the flip side is your not trying to sell honda's.

    Wanted to make that perfectly clear to this forum.

    New members are not aware of some of the rules in here.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 654
    Appreciate the info but wasn't seeking advice - like Brian, I've been around this forum awhile and have been buying/leasing vehicles many years - I weigh in once in awhile when I think I might have some info that may be of some value to someone seeking a good deal. I'm partial to Honda products because our family has owned or leased so many of them over the past twenty years.

    Bill G
    2016 ES350 Lux/Atomic Silver
    2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
  • bluemkn57carsbluemkn57cars Boston, MAPosts: 365
    I was just providing general info to anyone reading these forums, about buying a 2013 model this month and what to expect as far as pricing goes.

    I was not directly responding to your post :)
  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 654
    But if you look, you did directly respond to me. If you have a general comment to make, it's best to just initiate your own post and not use the reply button - that way there's no confusion.

    Your info is very good though - I made some of the very same points a few days ago - should be useful to the folks still shopping - we are in that touchy period transitioning from one model year to the next. It just depends on how urgently the shopper needs the vehicle right now. They need to weigh the pros and cons.

    Don't worry blue - I observed how you went through your process - you were methodical and did great and got a great deal.

    Bill
    2016 ES350 Lux/Atomic Silver
    2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
  • What is the 2013 Accord EXL 4 cy going for in Atlanta?
  • Nope, I neither get a call from Ben nor from Eric . Though I am out on a week end trip, was kept an eye on the phone calls.
  • I am going to call both Honda cars and Prime (if they have the color i want) tomorrow and see what is the best offer they can give and finalize one of them.
  • Good luck and let us know how it turns out!
  • bluemkn57carsbluemkn57cars Boston, MAPosts: 365
    Good luck. Hope you can close a deal within the next few days.

    Honda Cars of Boston tends to have pretty good pricing right off the bat, so they may not be inclined to negotiate much.
  • Sorry for my delayed response...I have 3 kids and a 15 month old who is sick.

    Here is my price. He said he cannot go any lower:

    Hi Maureen,

    The vin number to this Accord EXL is.......... and has a MSRP of $28,785.00. Your out the door price is $27,951.52 including all fees and accessories.

    You guys think that is a great deal or no? It is not the color we want (white/tan or silver/black interior). We wanted the black/black or black/tan. I may try to push him for a 2014 with my color choice and pay the $275 more. I know the other dealer will give me the 2014.
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