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Buick Rendezvous: Care & Maintenance

fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
edited March 2014 in Buick
but here goes. I use a couple of good resources for tips on proper cleaning/waxing of our new babies. Since the paint is brand new and without any oxidation, now is the time to give it the once over and protect it. A good wax will protect the paint for 3 to 6 months!

Check out: (Klasse all-in-one and P21S for the wheels is a great start)



  • john325john325 Posts: 237

    Thanks for the info. I looked at both sites. Good information.

    Did you buy the Kit or did you just get the Klasse All-in-One separately? Also, re: P21S - do you recommend the gel or regular?

    Do you know if these products are available in stores or only at these web sites?

    On my recent camping trip I had a bit of sap fall from a pine tree onto my hood, bummer! Today I went to my body shop and they used some kind of solvent & then followed up w/ polish. The guy said it should be fine, but commented that sap can be real tough on the finish. Luckily it seems to be okay.

    Tire Pressure: Yesterday I noticed my front right tire appeared slighly low; after checking it, w/ the cool pressure guage it showed I had about 31 psi. I upped it to about 36 psi. w/ the air compressor in the car. The front door pillar, I believe, said a max. of 40 psi should be used. - Do you have an idea of the optimal pressure for front & rear tires? Should front & rear be the same? I appreciate any feedback you or others have on this.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I went with the kit that has the All-in-One and the High Gloss Sealant so that I could have that extra layer of protection. I also got the regular P21S because I didn't want anything stronger than works best with gentle agitation with a wheel brush.

    Bar and tar remover works on sap, bugs, etc. but must be used carefully. It contains petroleum distilates, which are generally safe for all finishes. Just buy a jar for about $5.00 and rub gently. Another option (one that bodyshops use) is a clay bar. I've never used one before so check the website for advice.

    I couldn't find P21S in any stores out here and their website showed dealers in Oregon, California, and the east coast. I think online ordering is great anyway...I paid $10.95 shipping but no sales tax, so it's about the same.

    Check the inside door sill on the driver side for recommended tire pressures. For mine, it's 35 psi all around (Firestone Affinity's without trailer tow package).
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    I'll look into picking-up the kit too. I like your idea of putting extra protection on the finish. Thanks again.
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    I tried to use a spare cell phone charger in the front seat (my other one has been misplaced), and found that it was blowing fuses. Incidentally, the front-seat power adapters are on the same circuit as the On-Star system. So, if you blow one of those fuses, guess what else doesn't work?

    Well, after referring to the manual for fuse identification, I was pleasantly surprised to find a "fuse puller" in the fuse box located under the hood (on top of the windshield reservoir). Thats pretty convenient. I was using my fingers initially, but big hands make it hard to pull out those mini-fuses. The RDV continues to impress us...
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Well, I must say that it takes FOREVER to wash and wax an SUV! The roof takes a lot of time since you have to stand on a chair and scoot it around to clean the roof in sections...and then repeat the process when it's time to wax! I washed the car last night (from about 7:00 to 10:00) and then waxed this morning (from about 7:00 to 9:00). I think I have some ideas on how to streamline the process a little next time.

    I didn't put the sealer coat on top of the wax because I was exhausted. I'll wait until next wash for the sealer coat.

    BTW, Our RDV now has 690 miles on it so I took it for it's first oil change today. I bought three oil filters from the local Chevy dealer and asked him for a discount (he gave me 10% off). Went to Jiffy Lube and told them, "don't touch anything but the oil and filter" because I just washed and waxed it. I cringed as they opened and closed doors and the hood with their greasy hands and rags (they hold those filthy rags like they think their protecting the finish).

    All's well now. I buffed their smudges and I have peace of mind that the oil is fresh. I'm thinking that I'll change the oil again at 3000 miles and switch to synthetic. Any opinions/advice?
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    Changed oil at 690 miles! I guess you're being extra careful. I haven't changed ours yet and it has, I'm guessing, about 1300 miles on it. I've read some posts about mobil 1 synthetic oil. One poster claimed he got about 20% better mpg w/ it. - I have no clue about the merits of using it. - I'm learning lots at these forums.

    Speaking of which, thanks again for the recommendatiion of Klasse products. I just ordered my kit and am planning on on putting on aio this week. In the meantime, I've vitited and spent lots of thime over at Autopia. Great info over there, and, as w/ RDV forum, nice folks too.

    3 Questions for you Brian:

    #1 Did you apply and take off by hand? I assume so. Have you considered using PC for removing?

    #2 What are you doing/using for the cladding? Do you put the aio on it?

    #3 Have you put anything on leather yet? What will you use, if not?

    Congratulation on getting yours washed & waxed so soon! I'm sure yours is one of the best looking RDV's on the road; and just wait till you put on the SG; You'll have to post a photo once you get it complete.

    Thanks for feedback on my above questions.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Mine IS the best looking RDV on the road up here's the ONLY RDV on the road up here; I haven't seen another one yet! Now, on to your questions:

    I applied and took it off by hand. Since the AIO (cool acronym, BTW) is acrylic, it doesn't need any buffing; just wipe it on and wipe it off! It leaves a very smooth, slick surface finish.

    I used it on the whole car, cladding and all. In fact, I had a little goo on the passenger side mirror and I used it to clean that off! It also worked great on the bugs on the front of the mirrors. Just rub it like a polish and it cleans the surface without damaging the finish!

    I haven't done the leather yet. My step father gave me some Zymol that he used to use on his T-Bird (they traded it in on their cloth seated Tahoe) and I will use that...eventually. My '94 Miata has tan leather seats and I've never cleaned them with anything but a damp towel! They still look OK, but not great. I will definately maintain the RDV's leather properly, but not so diligently as the exterior (maybe once every couple of months or so).

    John, I hope you don't think I'm an expert or anything! When I was in college, my buddies and I loved our cars and cleaned them meticulously. Since I've grown up however, I've been a drive through at the gas station kind of guy. The RDV is the first car I've bought that I really want to keep for a long time and that's why I'm going to try to give it some extra TLC (hence, the early oil change).

    BTW, What is "PC"? What is "Autopia"?
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    which are some of the things I first thought when I saw it. And I'm sorry, I just assumed you were also hanging out at this other forum which is a goldmine for care care tips, how-to's, etc... The reason I thought so was the url link you gave above (Your Post #1) referred to . Somehow that was linked on this other site I stumbled upon while going through some other forums here at Edmunds. That site, which you and everyone else should visit is: I think you'll love it; the question is, "Do you Have Time?"

    So, PC is a Porter Cable rotary polisher. I believe the 2427 model is the random orbital that a lot of folks there recommend. It's also a big, big site for the Klasse products. They also talk about other products as well, although they seem to be minimal on the Zaino products. And by the way, they throw around different acronyms like crazy; thats where I got the aio, etc...

    Let me know what you think of the site. btw, I wasn't just talking about Seattle when I said one of the best looking RDV's on the road.

  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    when you get to that website, click on the "Autopia Forums"; that's where most of the hands-on, great info. is at. Of course there's tons of other stuff outside of the forums as well. Have fun browsing there.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I probably don't have enough time for surfing a new websi.....what, a new website! What am I saying? I'm there!

    BTW, I spend a lot of time on the road and I have yet to see another RDV. I think the Pacific Northwest was one of the last areas to get them so I'm not sure how many others are around yet. Mine does get more than it's share of looks and comments from people.

    P.S. I must correct an earlier mis-statement. The leather stuff my step father gave me is called "Lexol", not "Zymol" as I said above.
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    Hopefully it gets you to the right area.

    Autopia Forum

    If you see lots of posts about Klasse products, you'll know you're in the right place.

  • john325john325 Posts: 237

    Hope you like it as much as I do. I only go over there every once in a while; not as often as I do the RDV forums. But since, up until recently, I knew virtually nothing about what to put on car finishes and how to do it, I've figured it's a great place for me to learn. And coincidentally, the product most of the people there advocate is the one you mentioned in Post #1 of this forum - Klasse All-In-One (aio). Until you mentioned it, I'd never even heard of it. Thanks for that initial tip!
  • john325john325 Posts: 237
    It was cool seeing your post over there at Autopia. And thanks again for the info. on using the aio on the cladding. I'll be extra careful w/ the bottle once I get it.

    I'm a little miffed w/ the company that's sending it from Florida. I paid extra for "3-day delivery", and just recently found out from a UPS tracking email, that it's due to get here in 7-10 days??? Oh well, I'll apply it after our Yosemite trip.

    I don't imagine I'll be on any computer in Yosemite, so I'll catch up when we return. In fact, about 5 of my friends & I should be doing the Half Dome trek on Tuesday afternoon; we're actually going to camp at "Little Yosemite" and then continue to the top in the a.m.; we hiked Half Dome about 5 years ago all in one shot. We're taking it a little easier this time, I think, w/ the sleepover.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I'll "talk" to you when you get back.
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  • msadamsmsadams Posts: 26
    Hi Gang,

    I do not see any warning AGAINST using Mobil 1 in the owners manual, just a caution against any and all addatives. Has anyone spoken to a person "in-the-know" at GM Powertrain or a dealership on this issue?

    Mark K2QO
  • I am using Mobil 1 for the first time, put in by the Buick dealer. I change the filter only at 5k miles and the filter and oil at 10k.

    Spiritman :)
  • lswaidzlswaidz Posts: 92
    Hey guys...

    Well, a couple nights ago I did my monthly wax of my black/grey RDV... after finishing up I got to thinking if I was using the best wax/polish/glaze combo for this thing...

    I used to own a 1999 Pontiac Trans Am WS6, it was silver... for quite sometime I used Zymol Cleaer wax, the blue stuff that was like $25 a bottle at some point and smelled like a Pina Colada... I loved it, but it was a real pain to do since I had to move in sections... it took me 2 hours to wax the Trans Am... multiply that by 3 everytime (i'm a 3 coat kinda guy...).

    Anyway, after I used all that up I ended up just using Meguiars Gold Class for the last month of my T/A before I got the RDV... which is what I started with on it. Recently, I picked up this 3M stuff at Pep Boys and I've been blown away... it's a Fine Grain Buffer, Liquid Wax, and Hand Glaze... 3 bottles, 3 coats... I'm happy...

    Anyway, I was wondering what all you guys use? Right now I wash it w/ turtle wax junk I got from Sams Club, then I hit it w/ the cleaner/buffer stuff (by hand), then i follow that up right away w/ a coat of the wax, let that stand for about 20 minutes, take it off and buff it with a cotton t-shirt using Meguiars Quick Detailer (same stuff as Final Inspection, just cheaper...) and then I follow it all up with the hand glaze, buff it to mirror shine, and hit it w/ another round of quick detailer...

  • I ran into a real problem trying to change a backup light on my 2002 Rendezvous. The manual states that the cover must be removed, then seven wingnuts, and four bolts, two at each end. But when I tried to do it there were no bolts. The second cover is fastened with plastic snaps which cannot be removed without ruining them. I had to go to the dealer who charged me $75 to change the bulb. This is very poorly designed. Access to change a bulb should be easy.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    What about the 3 year bumper to bumper warranty Buick offers?
  • lswaidzlswaidz Posts: 92
    I don't believe GM's warranry covers light bulbs of any kind, including the smaller ones in the car... Those plastic fasteners I believe are removable... my trans am was basically held together with them... just get some leverage and pull, they'll make a lot of clicking noises as they come out and you'll be able to plug them back in...

    I've noticed that a lot of things in our manual are from the aztek, so it may be that way on that vehicle, but not on our rendezvous.

  • ppalonskyppalonsky Posts: 34
    I have not had to wax the new RDV yet. When I took delivery it was all shining, but upon closer inspection at home I noticed it needed a waxing. I called my salesman at the dealership and he agreed to have it hand waxed, as long as I did not ding them when I got the GM owner's survey. I guess they really care about those things.

    In any case I use Meguiar's Gold Wax and Quick Detailer on my Ford Expedition and like the results. However, given Lance's rave reviews on the 3M stuff I'll have to go to Pep Boys. Anyone who puts 3 coats of wax on his car must really know his car care products.

    Today I gave my RDV it's weekly bath and polished the chrome wheels with Mother's Chrome polish. This stuff worked great. It put a high gloss shine on the wheels and the Buick chrome inserts on the car front and back. I highly recommend this stuff for those with the optional chrome wheels.
  • lswaidzlswaidz Posts: 92
    The 3M stuff is really good, but only get the liquid wax if you're doing things by hand. Unless you want unsightly swirl marks on your paint, I wouldn't recommend using the hand glaze or rubbing compound without an orbital buffer or other machine polishing tool.

    I use Eagle One Wadding Cloth on my rims... I've got the chrome rims as well. It's pretty good stuff but it takes a second to put on and off just like anything else. Sometimes when I'm in a hurry i'll actually throw a coat of wax on the wheels along w/ the rest of the car. It usually turns out very nice.

    My habits for waxing and polishing are a carry over from when I had my 99 Trans Am WS6, so that might account for why I go so in depth...

  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    Hi Lance
    Lance when I picked up my RDV the dealer said he put a protective coat of some sort on it so that I wouldn't have to wax it for about a year. Well the year is just about up. I am not sure what he used but is there something I need to do before I wax it, and what wax do you recommend?

  • lswaidzlswaidz Posts: 92
    I'm not sure exactly what they put on there, but I would use Dawn dishwashing liquid to wash your car in order to get it all off. Then apply your wax...

    As far as the wax itself... I think it depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it...

    If you're looking for a once a year wax, I recommend Zymol (it's the blue stuff that smells like a pina colada). It takes longer to put on since you have to apply it in 2 x 2 areas, wait a minute or two, and then remove it, but it will protect your paint longer than say Meguiars Gold. Meguairs is good but you have to keep up with it, in other words a coat a month is recommended, and it'll take 2 or 3 months before it really starts to look good.

    I just started using the 3M Liquid Wax and I'm really happy with it. I like it because I can cover the entire surface of the car, let it sit (longer the better) and then take it all off all in one process instead of having to wait for individual spots to cure.

    Anyway, you've got some options... good luck!

  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    I am not sure what kind of wax the dealer applied when I first picked up my RDV. It was some kind of hot liquid wax that was suppose to protect my vehicle for about a year or so. The Dealer does this on all new Buick's he sells at no charge. A friend of mine had a similar product applied to his new Toyota and it cost him about a hundred bucks or so.

    The Dealer said I didn't need to wax it for one year. However during the winter I had it washed and waxed every couple of weeks depending on the weather. It was a very mild winter so I guess I had it washed and waxed at least twice a month. So what ever wax that was applied by the dealer is probably long gone by now.

    ( I am an old person and I don't have a heated garage that is why I didn't do it myself. )

    I think I am going to try that 3M Liquid Wax. How often does that need to be applied and how hard is it to apply?

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Ken, if you want a low effort "wax" that will last for months, you should try a polymer product such as Zaino or my favorite, Klasse. You simply wipe it on (no rubbing), let it dry to a haze, and then wipe off (no buffing). They leave no residue, protect the paint from UV radiation, and shine just like a good carnauba wax.

    Oh yeah, a 16 oz bottle will last five years or more!

    Check out all the products here:

    I bought Klasse polish/wax last July when I bought my RDV. I waxed my RDV at the end of July and haven't touched it since. Even after numerous washes and a Seattle winter, water still beads off the paint.

    Good luck,


  • lswaidzlswaidz Posts: 92
    Wow, that takes me back. When I had my Trans Am I used Zaino for a year... I think I got up to like 20 coats or so before I realized it wasn't getting any shinier... haha, oh well. Ken, that 3M stuff should do you just fine. It's reletively inexpensive... you can apply it either monthly or quarterly, depending on whether you're going for protection or looks... and it's very easy... you just cover the entire car with it... sit around (you can leave it overnight if you want...) and take it all off. I recommend following it up w/ a mist of either Meguiars Final Inspection or any other "instant detailer". It'll really makes things slick and shine.

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