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BUT, may I make one small suggestion ... go shop at Freehold Subaru and see what numbers they give you in comparison. I have not had good personal experiences with Pine Belt.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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With regard to the Subaru's -- great cars -- but make sure you like the transmissions. I do lots of highway driving - and I have always had to dismiss the Subarus because of their transmissions. I don't remember exactly, but they run at well over 3000rpm when cruising at 80mph. I realize the engines are made for high RPM. But, I simply do not like to have the engine spinning so fast when I'm on a flat road. Simply stated, and for reasons beyond just the RPM issue, I don't feel that they are great road machines. They sure are good looking though and, with the exception of some Volvo models, I think they are the best cars ever in snow and ice!
Its FWD, so its as good as any other FWD car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Your post here is fine, but you will find more TSX owners over on the TSX board. I assume you are considering a new one? Try the 2008 Acura TSX discussion to start with.
That Altima business started somewhere else and I knew it didn't have anything to do with you.
Good luck!
The TSX lease is a bit cheaper. Does it have a nicer interior than the Subie (probably)? Do you need AWD where you live? etc. etc.......
PS-are either of these "Mfg" leases? Or thru a finance co?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I don't think I realized we were in the same area, either.
Honestly, I don't particularly "like" either dealer. I could at least handle Freehold, though. They tried to play games, but when I called them on it, they immediately backed down (this was on my sister's Dodge). Pine Belt, on the other hand, were just jerks all around, frankly. And its a shame because, growing up, my father bought ALL of his vehicles from them. Times have changed, though. I did buy my wife's Forester from them back before I was better educated on car shopping, and I deeply regret it. Went back to them 2 times in the years since just to give them another chance. They aggravated me both times, so I've never returned.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I think the grand am is a touch more sporty.
Also, you can probably get a high mileage one very cheaply from a car rental place.
Last comment, the value of the '04-'07 Malibu is probably down significantly becuase of the 2008 redesign.
Guess this reply is coming too late, but I can't help myself
As an '04 TL owner, my advice is that if you get into the TL and go "wow - what a beautiful car!" Then go with the TL. It's great looking, its features work very well (though some features, like auto-start and automatic headlights, are missing) and it accellerates well-enough for most.
If you're not wowed by the interior, go with the Subaru GT - it's lower end torque means its faster during everyday maneuvers, and unless you're going for a TL-S, the handling might be even.
Just curious, what can't you stand about the Ford Fusion?
The Aura is a pretty heavy car with the 3.5L (over 3500lbs), so I understand your economy concerns. I don't have first-hand experience with the car, so i can't help you otherwise.
Honestly, while traction control is nice, it's hardly a requirement. I've been driving a maxima through 5 Michigan winters with the 17" low profile tires, and it's been fine. The ABS is a much more useful feature for winter driving, IMO.
Here are the important issues:
Front Seat Room and Comfort
Ride Quality over Sportiness (the Civic has the Sporty Part down pat )
Good highway power
Under $30k, preferably lower
Avoiding the Accord/Camry V6 models
Decent (25+) hwy mileage a plus, but not a hard-line number
I've suggested they look at the Taurus, Azera, Edge. I got quotes on the new Malibu LTZ and they were ridiculous (over $28k) in this area. The one quote I got on a Lucerne CX was over $25k; much too high for that vehicle with such a behind-the-times powertrain.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks, and I"m looking for all input! Remember; ride-comfort and seat comfort, along with highway power are the big issues here!
TheGraduate
Taurus and Azera are good calls; you just have to think there are good deals on the Taurus out there.
Or maybe the Sable variant; how many people can a Mercury dealer have walk through the doors these days?
There are oddballs out there, like the Mitsubishi Galant...those look roomy and highly incentivized.
A friend has a Saab 9-3...great seats and stellar gas mileage for what it is; he has put over 100k on his with few issues (turbo 4, not the 6). They always have a huge rebate.
Saturn Aura? Never see them, so they can't exactly be flying out the door either.
Fun game... :shades:
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
Seems like the Toyota Avalon would be a great fit! It's very comfortable and has plenty of power (268hp) for highway cruise.
Or have you thought about the Sonata V6? It's fairly comfortable and has a lot of power too! Plus, you'll be able to get a lot of options for the same price as other vehicles....
May I ask why not the Accord? I thought you love your car a lot and the 08 Accord presumably has even better, more comfortable rides and less road noise than the 7th Gen Accords.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
May I ask why not the Accord? I thought you love your car a lot and the 08 Accord presumably has even better, more comfortable rides and less road noise than the 7th Gen Accords.
I love mine, but frankly, my dad wasn't impressed by the EX-L 2008 he drove. He had a 2003 and a 2005, and drove them over 100k miles combined. The news one's interior falls a bit short for him, as well as me - too busy looking.
CPO S60 2.5T (heck, you can typically get a leftover or demo model for the mid-$20k range, again high 20s mpg on the highway, and quiet, also FWD if bad weather is a concern and you don't want to deal with swapping to winter tires like you would with the bimmer. A CPO one with low miles should dip down in the high teens for price.)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Also, how long do your parents plan to keep the car? If resale value is important, going domestic is probably not a very good idea (It's the truth, no offense against domestic vehicles).
Say in 5 years a $25k Avalon is worth $10k and a $20k Taurus is worth $5k. The same amount has been lost in resale.
I'll mention the Avalon Touring to them. My dad drove some friends' Avalon Limited not too long ago and was very impressed with it.
One more thing, if they want leather instead of the suede on the 2LT they can install after-market leather which is much more supple than anything factory installed. That's what we did with our LS and got a $40K look all for under $21K.
If they are not smitten with the Malibu, then they are not yet ready to buy. By the way, I drive an Avalon XLS and it does not compare with the Malibu 2LT or LTZ.
I haven't been in the new Malibu, but one pull of the exterior door-handle told me the quality didn't match that of the Honda (the handle on every one I pulled wiggled around up and down, as if made of rubber). Unfortunately Honda doesn't offer what they're looking for at the moment. We're all in Hondas right now, so I guess you could say we're extra sensitve to build quality, as we're used to the best in the business for under $25k (Accords for me and a Civic for them)
They haven't given up on a Malibu, but the one quote I got from a local dealer was over $28k BEFORE taxes and fees for an LTZ.
That is not my impression of the car. It think it's ugly compared to the '08' Honda. And the quality of the materials were just OK. We all have different yardsticks in measurments of cars. One persons luxury car is another persons bottom feeder.
kds --- I think your views and opinions are in the minority and do not describe the 2008 Malibu. The quality of the interior materials, fit and finish, and ergonomics are best in class and even equal to those described as entry level luxury sedans.
the graduate -- Maybe it's time to begin changing your perceptions of the car a little more. The door handles are firm and competent even more so than the Volvo S70 that we traded in and my Avalon XLS.
36 mpg which is comparable to the Fit which I like except for the lack of power and it lacks storage space for CDs,etc.The possible mistake I made was getting the extended warranty to 120k miles.I will probably never have to use it but when the basic warranty is up I'll have no reason get rid of it.I had considered a prius but
lack of power bored me. At least now if I want to waste gas I can use all 140
horses at my leisure.
Bad first impression of what might be a great car otherwise.
You know the Si comes in sedan form, don't ya?
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I bought a Sable over a month ago, and think I got a good deal:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f166ea9.f166af7/23
I have less than 500 miles on it, but I really like it so far.
Does anyone know if it is worth spending the $14.00 for the CR vehicle price report from CR, or is the same info available here on Edmunds?
Thanks!
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Try poking around this board, asking whatever questions you have; you might find some answers! It'll let you know what others are paying.
Tell them to test drive an Azera and see it they like it. One of my buddies has one and it's a fantastic car. '07 Limited w. Ultimate pkg. Sticker was $31K+. He paid $25700 last April + $189 doc fee + TTL. Great car, great highway cruiser.
Maybe they'll like it, maybe they won't...but they won't know unless they test drive it.
Trust me, nothing too much is ruled out yet, except the VeraCruz.