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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If I did not care about $3.50 gas I would have gotten the Si and have some fun.As it is I got the Civic sedan because I had to please the wife.

    You know the Si comes in sedan form, don't ya? :)
  • ronsmith38ronsmith38 Posts: 228
    There are some great deals on Taurus or Sable out there:
    I bought a Sable over a month ago, and think I got a good deal:
    I have less than 500 miles on it, but I really like it so far.
  • hklhkl Posts: 9
    Don't feel bad, I did the same. It is for my daughter, so I don't want her to saddle with the premium gas consumption of the Si. I drove a 98 Prelude, but my son bought it from me. After a month of driving, the EX (coupe) is not so bad, as I am getting used to it. My daughter will never know what she is missing, since she didn't drive the Prelude.The EX is a 5-speed manual. I go back to my Accord V6.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Yes indeed. I saw an ad in the Minneapolis StarTribune yesterday for new '08 Taurii for just under $19k, and slightly used '08s for just under $17k. That is a lot of car for the money, especially considering what you would pay for a car like the Avalon with comparable power and room.
  • skyblu88skyblu88 Posts: 3
    I am getting ready to purchase a Mazda3 5-door.

    Does anyone know if it is worth spending the $14.00 for the CR vehicle price report from CR, or is the same info available here on Edmunds?


  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Mazda 3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

    Try poking around this board, asking whatever questions you have; you might find some answers! It'll let you know what others are paying.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,601

    Tell them to test drive an Azera and see it they like it. One of my buddies has one and it's a fantastic car. '07 Limited w. Ultimate pkg. Sticker was $31K+. He paid $25700 last April + $189 doc fee + TTL. Great car, great highway cruiser.

    Maybe they'll like it, maybe they won't...but they won't know unless they test drive it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I've mentioned it to them more than once. My folks are open to nearly everything except Chrysler products (burned by them twice). At the moment, a local Cadillac dealer has two Cadillac DTS sedans, 2007 models, both around 15,000 miles, for $28,990. That, compared with a Toyota Avalon XLS quote I received for $29,598 + $399 doc + tax ($1400 or so) makes the Cadillac look like quite a deal.

    Trust me, nothing too much is ruled out yet, except the VeraCruz.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Sure a used Caddy with 15K miles makes a new Avalon look like a great deal. Any user car makes any new car the deal of the century. I would soon as drive around in a new Avalon than a used DTS :blush.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Avalon XLS was still more expensive than the Caddy... that's the problem. They were trying to stay under $30k, and that cant do that without stepping into a base model XL.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Your parents will wind up by feeding the Caddy with gas, the Avalon will be more fuel efficient. That might tip the scales a bit.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    After talking to my dad's aunt and her husband (who had a 2005 DeVille and now have a 2007 DTS), they always get about 27 mpg highway with the Northstar. Considering our V6 Odyssey got about 24-25 mpg highway, that sounds good for them, considering it has a V8, and will be a "trip car" first and foremost.

    I understand the Avalon is a very good car, but the Cadillac costs less, and delivers more. It's just that simple. What doesn't help is local Toyota dealers' reputation for not being customer friendly.

    I'll keep you all posted as the shopping continues - they are actually not looking to make their purchase until the fall, so other vehicles will come and go from the shopping list I'm sure before then.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Since they are looking to buy this fall and don't mind spending nearly $30k for a car, and seem to want a luxo-cruiser (ala DTS), they should take the Genesis for a spin. The V6 will start under $30k.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, after hearing about problems in a co-worker's VeraCruz (numerous trips to the dealer for things like O2 sensors, electrical bugs, etc) mom and dad aren't as gung-ho about Hyundai as they were. After being burned by 2 Chryslers that spent week after week at a dealer (under warranty, thankfully), they are nervous about buying a car after hearing bad stories. My dad told me like this: "If there's one like this, there's two, and I'll have the luck to get it." Now, he knows all companies have bug-y cars, but hearing one from personal experience is just a little scary for them.

    The Genesis is a good idea, but being a first-year model, I don't know how well that would go-over.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    After talking to my dad's aunt and her husband (who had a 2005 DeVille and now have a 2007 DTS), they always get about 27 mpg highway with the Northstar

    Even a Bugatti gets 23 mpg on the highway. Gas mileage plummets if they drive in town or in traffic. I just can't believe an inefficient engine like the Northstar in a heavy vehicle like the Caddy will get 27 mpg on the highway, unless they are crawling at 30 mph. Call me a doubting Thomas.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Even a Bugatti gets 23 mpg on the highway. Gas mileage plummets if they drive in town or in traffic. I just can't believe an inefficient engine like the Northstar in a heavy vehicle like the Caddy will get 27 mpg on the highway, unless they are crawling at 30 mph. Call me a doubting Thomas.

    Doubt away... they drive on the 70 MPH Interstate 65 every other day to come check on my great-grandmother (she'll be 96 in April but is now in poor health) from about 40 miles away.

    No skin off my nose whether ya believe it or not, because I'm not the one buying the car. I've got two!

    And, if you haven't been following along, this will not be an "Around Town" car; my mom works within walking distance to her job, so her car won't be used to commute. My dad commutes in the Civic. This is for trips from the coast (where the folks live) back to Birmingham, a trip they make every couple of weeks. For that, the Civic just doesn't cut it... Dad turns 50 in April, and my mom has been 39 for 12 years, and they've always been tight with money on cars. Now they want to splurge on a comfy highway cruiser for under $30k, and frankly, the year-old DTS fits that pretty well. Are they dead set on it? Not in any way. They're just considering it among lots of other choices out there.
  • ronsmith38ronsmith38 Posts: 228
    You mentioned previously that they were looking at the 2008 Taurus. We just bought a 2008 Sable Premier. It may be a few $ more that the Taurus, but we liked the front end and interior better on the Sable. So far we like the car very much. We paid about $25000 out the door! It has ESC, memory adjustable pedals, backup sensors and Satellite radio as options. We are a bit older than your folks, and like the conservative styling of this car. The Command seating make getting in and out a breeze.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I'll mention the Sable. Dad isn't too fond of all the chrome on the Ford.
  • sincraftsincraft Posts: 24
    The Nissan Altima wins.
    We are in the market for a new vehicle. Orignally we loved the Altima but started to look everywhere else too. We tried American cars also.

    But now we have a problem. We want a black car. Nissan and not the best combo. (I have their black truck - frontier).
    Now, it gets worse - we want a black car with blond leather interior AND a 4cyl. And I tossed the whole 6 or 4 thing around many many times too...just not worth it after driving the powerful nissan 4 cyl.

    So - that leaves us with only TWO cars within 400 miles.

    I've read unbelievable deals regarding the 2.5 s with the sl package, many 1k sub invoice pricing WITH additional percs (all weather mats , etc etc)

    BOTH cars are scratched. The one is beautiful for the most part with the bumper being scratched very low about 8" wide with tiny 1cm scratches, about 15 of them. They called and said they buffed most of them out but there are still a few left.

    The other, their teenaged car washer decided to use the same water he has been using all day with the same rag and dragged the rag all over the car. It's VERY noticable , at least to me. Not to mention, there is some bug gunk that it looks like they couldn't or didn't care to remove.

    I know that after 4 or 5 washes the car will look like this no matter how much care I take with Nissans VERY soft paint. But do we want to accept this new?

    The first, they will sell at invoice. The last, they will sell for $200 under. I tried to get them down, they let us walk out ...even when I told them don't expect us to call - please don't lose a sell if someone is interested...go ahead and sell it. We had another car in the game but it's pretty far away and only a little bit better of a deal and is not the exact color she wants.

    I expected at least a phone call before they closed. Neither called. They know they are the only game on the block and that we will only take black or will just save another 10 k and head into the luxury lines and start this whole buying process over again. (although I don't want to do that, I'm not a big fan of forking over $600 per month on a car payment...we are lookign at only $350 for the Altima as it is)

    What would you do? I don't want to lose the car, but at the same time I don't want muscled into the car. We NEED another car very soon or, we need to fix an older car for inspection. (we are selling it outright, not trading it in)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    What I would do is I would never, ever set my heart on a single car, let alone a single color. Then they know they have you by the b... well, they know they have you.

    One thing you might do is try to find out when they (or another dealer) will be getting another black Altima in, and hold out for that one (even rent a car or buy a beater to use in the meantime if you must have a car now). You are spending a lot of money on this car--why settle for less than what you want?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I would take two deep breaths and not buy a car that had sample defects the dealer had not fixed. Only you can decide. Keep in mind how you would feel in a year or so of ownership. Would you do it again?

    If you are asking what i would do. I would ask them to fix the cars. If they couldn't I would walk away and see how my Honda dealer is doing.
  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    Have you looked into the dark gray color? I forget exactly what it's called (Dark Slate maybe?), but that's what I chose for my '08. The paint imperfections are much less noticeable then on a black car, IMO.

    I'm on my second Nissan with the dark gray color, and it holds up very well.

    I love the new Altima, BTW. It betters my '03 Maxima in every way. You will really, really enjoy the car.
  • sincraftsincraft Posts: 24
    I'm p!ssed.

    I broke down today and told the dealer nearest to us with the car washed fine imperfections all over that we wanted the car IF they could wash it again properly thus removing the bug goo, dirt on the wheels / front grill etc. And have a detail guy go over it an hit some of the trouble spots.

    That's all I was asking for.

    The salesperson calls me back and says his manager is telling him that they no longer are offering me the deal, they don't want to work with me.

    Yesterday I asked for another measly $100 off which would take this car down to $300 under invoice. They blew us off. Hard.

    So I'm writing a letter to Nissan. I write them when I have good experiences, but rarely write about the bad ones because I've already moved onto trying to solve the problem at hand. I will however make an exception for these folks. I stopped using their service dept for the same reason, horrible service. I later saw one of the asst service manager guys at another dealer I was doing computer work for, and he said that the owner and manager force their hands to do alot of shady things there.

    Then you talk to the dealers around and they have NO idea that the CA emissions cars that are being sold in like 19 states now get 1 mpg less! They actually believe the sticker is correct. Those EPA guys already butt heads with the tree huggers, if they labeled the stickers at 1mpg less they would be DEAD. It's fear that is keeping us a nation from moving ahead due to political correctness. Hey I want clean to breath air, but I don't want to be lied to about MPG nor do I want to pay for a hoax which has been disproving in almost every country by scientists far superior to ours that AREN'T being paid off like ours are.

    *gets off soapbox*
  • bfluegiebfluegie Posts: 21
    I’m looking for a new (to me) ride. I don’t have to decide just now, but probably sometime in the next couple of months. What I am considering is a (probably) pre-owned BMW 325xi (maybe a 330xi if the deal is right, but I’m not too sure I want a turbo), G35x (I have VPP so I might go new for this), Audi A3 or A4 (I like the A3 better but they’re hard to find in the northern IN vicinity), Acura TSX or maybe TL, but it’s larger and I don’t like it as much. I might consider the Altima coupe as well, but not the sedan. While I like the sedan styling more than the Accord or Camry, I don’t like it as much as the Infinity, and the Altima sedans are everywhere. I don’t want to put my car away for the winter, so I prefer all wheel or front wheel drive. That leaves out the Infinity G-coupe (sigh) and the BMW 3 series coupe. I know several people who drive the G coupe and they either garage it for the winter or get adequate but not great driving with winter tires. I prefer the security of good winter handling. I haven’t completely ruled out a small SUV or crossover, but after 8 years of driving an Exploder I’m ready for a more responsive ride. I joke about the Explorer, but with the exception of an unfortunate “Bambi” incident :blush: I have never been left stranded. No significant repairs other than normal wear and tear either. It’s just 10 years old and it is time to move on to something else. As long as I’m moving on, I want to add some fun. I won’t be racing or pushing for maximum speed, but I do like the feel of a car that you don’t have to slow to a crawl when going around a curve. I suppose I want to feel like I am part of a driving system rather than the occupant of a vehicle.

    I would consider a 2006-2007, maybe a 2005 as well. I know the Infinity was a new model in 2007 but I like the previous model as well. The BMW was a new model in 2006 and I don’t know anything about the 2005. I might be overlooking something else as well, so any suggestions for additional cars to consider (or avoid) are welcome. I’m considering a manual in the BMW or A4 but I didn’t like the manual in the ‘07 TL I drove (the clutch seemed to have a very tiny “sweet spot” and it didn’t help that the salesperson sneered a little when I lurched on a start). I don’t know if the TSX would be any better. The G35X is only available in an auto. Manual vs. auto isn’t a big factor for me so I probably wouldn’t rule out an auto BMW or Audi either. Since I’m going to continue getting older and creakier, the auto might be a smarter choice, just not as much fun in the pre-creaky years.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,772
    One note... The 330xi is not a turbo....

    The only turbo is the 335xi, which came out in 2007...


    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • bfluegiebfluegie Posts: 21
    Thanks. I must have been thinking of the 335xi. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :blush: Obviously my research is far from complete...
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I know several people who drive the G coupe and they either garage it for the winter or get adequate but not great driving with winter tires.

    I would garage my Ferrari during the winter not my G. I drove a RWD 330 in the snow for a few years with all seasons. It wasn't great but I limped along. I now own an AWD turbo that when it snows, says: "Let me at it".

    Seems to me you need to get your priorities in order. What's more important, body style or drivetrain, manual or auto? If you decide AWD is the way to go and is most important, everything else will fall into line.
  • I'm trying to decide what I might get when I'm ready to deal. Here's what I'm interested in:

    The Honda Fit -- I'm impressed with the amount of interior space in a small space, I like Hondas, and it's different than the ubiquitious Civic. What I worry about most is getting killed in the thing.

    Honda Civic Hybrid and Civic -- I loved my 95 and 98 Civics and like the idea of owning a Hybrid to get better gas mileage. But I also have read of issues with the Civic Hybrid, and I'm not sure the regular Civic thrills me enough.

    Prius -- I like the fact that it is different looking, has far more options (and colors) than the Civic Hybrid, and apparently is roomy inside. But I don't think I could get as good a deal as the Civic Hybrid.

    The car would primarily be a commuter car, but given gas prices, might become the primary car on weekends when my wife, six year old, and I go places.
  • I am looking for a new sedan for my mother. She is 75 years old and is under 5' tall. She is retired and drives mostly around town (busy intersections) but occasionally she will travel distances 4-6 hours. Are there sedans that are gears for senior citizens as well as for a short person.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Ford Taurus SEL is a big, comfortable car that comes well-equipped in base form, and should be had for $20k or so. You can check it out here on, or at No, this isn't the rental-fleet Taurus you remember seeing for years previous! ;)

    I mention this car specifically because it has "Command Seating" that has chair height that is notably higher than most sedans; probably a mix between a minivan and regular sedan in height. It has safe, if not sporty handling, and a compliant, quiet ride.

    Power pedals are also something she should look into, as they are only a $120 option on this car, I believe. They'll bring the pedals closer to her feet, allowing her to sit further back from the steering wheel, and airbag.

    It also has a 263 horsepower V6 which isn't quite as smooth as that of an Avalon, but for the price, it delivers excellent power and economy (18/28 EPA) for the money, and should be good for those long trips.

    I don't know what the budget is here, but this car is a real bargain, and should be inexpensive to maintain.

    By the way, I have two Hondas, so I'm not a Ford salesman or anything, I just think this would be a car you should consider adding to your (her) list.

    Take care, and keep us posted! :)


    *PS - The Mercury Sable is the same basic car as the Taurus, but offers different styling, if she doesn't like the look of the Taurus.
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