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Nissan 350Z



  • I know, Habitat is probably note even on this site anymore, but I've seen this a few places and thought I would post my thoughts here

    To help you understand the "Musclecar man," it is how everyone else says, it's a preference. Although to help with the understanding, it's actually very simple. If you have ever felt a rush of power, or surge of enthusiasm, which you are unable to control, then you know how they feel. For instance, sit in a 1970 Boss 429, 1971 440 Cuda, or 1967 Shelby GT 500 (i know, old unique cars, but this is where you no doubtingly will feel what the "Msuclecar man" feels). These cars idle and it's like music, where as when they hear a V6 (it's more like a buzz or a hum in comparison). Then when they Rev the motor of a true V8, it rocks that whole car and you can feel it vibrate in your feet, that is what we look for. Then finally, when you lay into, and there is so much torque that the frame bends a 4200lb car and the car can burn off a set of tires in about 1 minute that's it. It doesn't have to do 0 to 60 in 3.5 sec, but it will compete with a majority of the cars and he knows what he has, but in the end... it's the feel and rush you get from the V8... There's nothing like it in the world, it's something about raw power that makes life a little more tolerable. Oh and no I don't own a muscle car, my dad does (1968 428 Cobra Jet); I actually own a 2004 350Z R (Black, APS TT, APS exhaust, APS Plenum, and pushing about 435 HP). Yes, I beat him in all aspects on the road, but there is so many days I just go to his house and switch, to take the Stang and just feel and hear the engine.
  • lothariolothario Posts: 4
    I experienced feathering and roaring and my tires replaced 3 times. The third time it was prorated since they didn't want me to come in again. The first two times were free of course. My suggestion to anyone thinking about buying this car is to WAIT until they finally resolve this issue. I beleive it is the structural design of the suspension causing this. Also, alignments do not work. The car also drifts to the right within seconds after letting the steering wheel go on a smooth straight street. Customer service has been extremely poor not because of the dealer, but NISSAN itself. SO PROSECTIVE BUYERS, JUST WAIT UNTIL THIS IS FIXED, IF EVER, BEFORE BUYING. IF YOU CAN'T WAIT, THEN BUY A DIFFERENT CAR.
  • Actually, I have seen it fixed, and stay fixed. On my Z personally, I have yet to experience the issue, and I I pray I do not have to. But, a friend of mine was reading on a forum, and I stated it before on here, that you should try to have your car "mechanically aligned," not a computer alignment. I do not know why, but it's worked for him, and others from what I have heard. Although, I have heard of people saying it hasen't worked, but you know... If I had the issue I would sure as hell at least try it.
    Just my $0.02
  • guys, came across this thread looking for some info about diffs people are using. nothing here on that issue but came across your tyre wear issue. manufacturers are in a spot here, particularly ones trying to get cornering performance. to go 'round corners fast there is no substitute for a bit of camber. but.... camber causes wear if you don't drive hard often enough. my evo6.5, setup for tarmac rally, used tyres at an alarming rate, and by the time my 350 is ready to rally, i'd say it will too. it's all a bit of a trade off.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,100
    While I do agree with you, I dare say that, in this instance, putting on decent tires from the factory would help cornering much more than engineering the alignment in this way. Just doesn't jive with me that they can claim its aligned this way to help cornering, but they put on these absolutely horrible tires.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    What other cars do you know of that are "engineered" in this manner that sacrafices tire wear (feathering) for increased cornering. Doesn't sound like a good argument to me. Porsche designs all their cars for superior handleing and they don't have these wear issues.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,100
    I don't. You'd have to ask rally_rules. Looks like he says his Evo was the same way. So I guess that's one.

    It is, however, the argument I've heard for our Zs being set this way. Like I said, I have a hard time buying that reason when they sacrifice cornering by putting on crappy tires.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • dbauerdbauer Posts: 416
    S2000's tires wear out in a very short time as well. 10k miles is a point most plan for replacement.
  • lothariolothario Posts: 4
    You guys are forgetting about the roar that comes with this feathering. Trust me, it is extremely annoying and aggravating! The stock tires wereBridgestone Potenza RE40s. Like i said, WAIT UNTIL THIS FIX BEFORE DECIDING TO BUY THIS CAR. Will save you alot of headaches!!
  • lothariolothario Posts: 4
    I have to turn the radio volume really high to drown out this noise/roar from the tires!!!
  • I promise I won't have any more to say after this... Really, what sort of car do you guys want? Complain enough and Nissan will fix it alright, they'll loose the camber, the taught springs and shocks and put tiny sway-bars on. They'll take off the nice (but stiff and harsh) aluminium wishbones and arms too. What you'll get is another hairdressers car! If that's what you want, go buy a Lexus! You want 50,000 out of your tyres? Go buy a Hyundai. Manufacturers should be applauded for making cars that rail against the "sanitization " of modern cars. Me? I'll have the noise, the tyre wear,, the harshness and the nervous tip in of not running much front toe. The last thing we need is another dumb slush-box on the market! Maybe you should suggest to an Evo owner that Mitsubishi should take the tyre roar and harshness out of the Evo (I'd make sure you were in running shoes first..)
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I think your completely missing the point!!! If, as you suggest, Nissan manufactured the Z to handle as if on rails and the tire wear is just a by-product then why would Nissan buy back my fathers Z if it was built to Spec?

    Bottom line is the car was engineered incorrectly which causes premature tire wear. If the car did not have tire wear issues Nissan would of NEVER bought his car's just not good business.
  • Well after long nights of research, several hours of "friendly talks" at the dealerships, it pains me to say I am going to pass on the Z-Touring. Such a shame because it is such a thing of beauty, and quite honestly a much smoother ride than I expected. Main reasons why I am passing on this car:

    1) WAY too many people complaining about the tires. I asked the dealer about the tire problem and he said, "Nissan fixed this with the 2005 models". Well not according to a lot of what I have read on here (and other boards). In addition, I took one out for a spin this week, and noticed a smell like burning rubber. Keep in mind I didn't "peel out" or push the car over 65, thus I concluded the tires are as bad as advertised.

    2) I am not fortunate enough to keep this as a "summer car" and garage it in the winter. I read many reviews of people highly suggesting to garage this car in the winter and to not even bother. My counter to that was to invest in some snow tires, but to invest at least 1k on snow tires, without knowing how much benefit they would actually provide, on a leased car to boot, just didn't seem like good business sense to me. Not that Columbus Ohio is in the snow belt, but it does not sound like this car likes adverse weather, and it's a sports car so really I should expect this. Like someone said earlier, if you want a nice comfy plush ride then get a Buick (I would prefer a Chrysler 300 myself).

    Anyway, congrats to those who either live in warm climate year round, or who can afford to garage this car in the winter. For those still looking and trying to get some pricing deals, this was the "final" offer I walked away from.

    2005-Z Touring MSRP $38,800
    12,000 miles, 42 Mos, $4500 out of pocket (includes taxes since Ohio now
    collects taxes up front on a lease), $436 a month....

    Personally I think I could have gotten them to come down $500 to $4000 out of pocket, but no point in wasting their time since my mind was made up.
  • lothariolothario Posts: 4
    you made the right decision. i applaud you. unless they completely fix this issue, do not buy this vehicle yet. there are other sports cars out there also. they will not fix this issue unless a dramatic drop off in sales occurs. you did the right thing.
  • gschultz3gschultz3 Posts: 134
    I am shipping my 2004 350Z touring coupe ( 2004.5) to Buffalo from Florida this week. It has 19" wheels with Toyo tires and hasn't seen 3000 miles in 9 months. I haven't noticed any problems with the tires but I still have the original 17" wheels and tires. I don't have any plans to drive it in the snow. I understand your concern but it does not seem everyone has the feathering problems?
  • I don't care what anybody says, even though german cars are the best, this car is freekin sweeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!! :P
  • Hmmm, Florida TO Buffalo? Isn't it normally the other way around? :-) You are right in that not everyone has problems with their tires, but it looks like for every 10 postings I read, 8 were affected by it, so the odds would not be in my favor. I am not suggesting to anyone they not buy the car, it was the tire reason mixed with the winter conditions here as to why I passed on it. If I lived in warmer weather or had money to burn for buying new tires every 7k miles then I would get the car in a heart beat.

    Lastly, I got a few emails from people asking how did a 2005 car that I walked away from have 12,000 miles on it aready. I apologize for the confusion, the car had 9 miles on it, not 12,000.. the lease offer allowed 12k miles per year.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,100
    well, the problem with reading message boards like this is that you will typically see more problems and they will be magnified. Folks are more likely to seek out a place to vent their issues than they will to talk about how good their car is.

    The dedicated Z boards on the internet have much more positive feedback about the car than this board here.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • dklaneckydklanecky Posts: 559
    I agree with gbrozen that the dedicated 350z boards have no where the incidence of reported tire problems that Edmunds Town Hall contains.

    Edmunds does a great service involving a lot of people initially in the on line car forums, but most people seem to move away to model specific forums with a lot less restrictions on the free and open communication of resources and problem solving than Edmunds format allows.

    Of course, not too many of the competing forums are trying to make a profit either, so you can certainly understand Edmunds Town Hall operational rules are out there to protect the business model.
  • gschultz3gschultz3 Posts: 134
    Another message board mentioned that Edmunds had an unusual number of complaints about the tires. My Z arrived from Florida. I forgot how much I missed driving it ....... it's a blast except for all of the potholes still left over from the winter in Buffalo. Must remember that with 19" wheels there is not much rubber between the road and the wheels!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,100
    well, to be fair, I wouldn't say its an unusual number of complaints. Maybe an unusually high percentage based on total posts, but even dedicated Z boards have hundreds of complaints about tires, but its a much lower percentage based on total posts. Am I making sense? I just don't want anyone who has had problems think we are trivializing it, that's all.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • gschultz3gschultz3 Posts: 134
    Hope I never have the problem. I understand !
  • cazdrivercazdriver Posts: 1
    I might need some help. I purchased my 2004 350 Touring Z in 02/04. I already have 25K miles on it. I started noticing humming noise from the front tires during deceleration and braking at around 15K miles. Although, my brother drove my car and noticed the defect much earlier. So, thinking it was the brakes, I had them checked. The Nissan dealer told me nothing was wrong with my brakes. They actually had the tires off the car at that time and did not tell me about my excessive tire wear. I tried to live with the noise but it was getting louder. It is more of a roar now. I just had my car at the dealer today and they told me my front tires were "cupped and feathered" and I was responsible for paying the $930 for two new tires and an alignment. I was aware of the suspension troubles with the '03 350Zs but I thought it was a specific problem to the 2003 models.

    Did I wait too long to take action? I want to challenge Nissan and make them pay for what I think is the obvious suspension problem that lots of other 350Z owners are having. I am worried about driving the car with that much tire wear.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,056
    Yes, there is a tire "issue" with this car.

    The part of your post that caught my attention, though, was the $930 quote for two tires & an alignment. Where I come from, an alignment is under $100.

    Help me understand why two tires are worth $830.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Please read back over this Z board (especially in the problems section) and review what people have experienced with the Z tires. It is a major problem with these cars...BTW: Nissan bought back my father's '03 Z for this same tire problem. Also, they replaced his tires every 7K miles. Fight Nissan and they will relent.
  • miata007miata007 Posts: 129
    What's worst about this tire feathering probem is the dealers are still trying to make every owner pay for the new tires/alignment despite the fact that this is a well known problem to all 350Z. That's ridiculous!!! Nissan should be completely responsible to this issue util a total solution is made. I am too not buying one at this point until I can be assured the problem is rectified.

  • jlettie1jlettie1 Posts: 9
    I was ready to purchase a 2005 350Z. I had heard rumors about the excessive tire wear. I questioned the salesperson about the problem and was told that there is no problem. I checked E-bay and two friends who own a Z and both stated that there is a problem. The tire manufactures will not honor the warranty and is trying to pass the buck to the dealership. I was told that the wear is due to the suspension. Both friends are trying to sell there cars. I immediately cancelled my order. Good luck
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,100
    I still can't get over how powerful this car can be when you hit the gears just right. Just this morning I took off hard from a light, took it to about 6K RPMS in first, then pushed it hard into 2nd ... getting the tires to spin a bit at that point turns me into a giddy schoolgirl everytime. :)

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 10,140
    I think it's hard to know where to place the blame. On the one hand, you've got some people stating that the suspension geometry is to blame. On the other, you've got some saying it's the OEM tires to blame.

    What I do know, "Z" rated tires aren't going to give the same mileage as Mom's Michelins on her Camry.

    Tire warranties are separate from the bumper-to-bumper warranties given by Nissan.

    I can see this being a hassle trying to use the tire manufacturer's warranty and them saying it's a Nissan issue. I can see Nissan stating that it's a tire manufacturer issue.

    All that said, I've driven many cars with Z rated tires. None of them lasted longer than 25K miles. Most gave up the ghost well before that.
    2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
  • miata007miata007 Posts: 129
    We all understand that performance tires give up mileage in exchange for hi traction. But does it sound reasonable for a tire to have this feathering problem/noise at 6000 mi?

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