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  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    Mitsu used to be the Japanese BMW, then they were the Japanese Pontiac now they are the Japanese olds. ok!

    Livaudais: What Honda's have you owned? I'm just curious and if any what kind of problems have you had with them?
  • grove4grove4 Posts: 95
    The 6 is a great car and so is the accord and camry.The difference is that on the accords problems and solutions board the issues are all minor(mostly)and all different.The 6 is one big widespread rust issue. And several others that are all common with many cars.And why so many cars after the certain build date still affected with rust?It just needs more quality control.If this stuff could be fixed it would be the frontrunner with about 20 more ponies.
  • Agreed about the rust issue -- it is a real problem that seems to affect many cars. To be fair, the other cars you mentioned have some not-so-minor issues affecting several of them as well ... but nothing as potentially serious as rust. CR suggests that initial quality of the 6 is actually better than the Accord, but the Accord ain't rusting....

    Carguy, I've owned 2 Civics and a CRX Si. My first Civic was a rattle trap that also left me stranded a few times with transaxle problems. It was the most disappointing car I've owned to date. I had a love/hate relationship with the CRX. I loved the way it looked and handled, the engine and 5-speed were smooth and sporty... but it too rattled enough to drive me crazy. My last Civic was a fine, albeit dull, car. My personal experience -- and that's all it is, just more anecdotes -- is that Hondas are not the paragons of quality people assume. They're fine cars, no doubt...but the best vehicle I've owned to date was a Toyota, and the most fun is now a Mazda. I can't tell you how much I enjoy this car... and yet, I probably wouldn't buy another unless I were sure the rust issue is resolved. (I'd probably buy a TSX instead).

    If the 6's reputation is now tainted with rust, I'd say that Honda's is coated with teflon :-) Hats off to them, though, there's a reason they have such a great reputation.

  • replayreplay Posts: 11
    I've had my Mazda 6 since June and love it. After being stuck in a Dodge stratus the last couple of weeks do to an accident i appreciate the 6's driving experience even more. The dodge isn't even in the same league.

    But......I have now had two check engine lights, that haven't worried me too much, since they were simple computer glitches. I also have the staining/rust issue. My biggest problem is Mazda's lack of communicating this problem to its owners. I have been told over and over again by a Mazda "specialist" that they would be informing all affected owners by mail of this problem. I have yet to receive anything. I just thank god my dealer is on my side. They want their body shop guys to look at, because they think the staining they see is rust bleed from an area rusting out of view in the sash cavity. Here's hoping mazda fixes the problem and doesn't ruin a great car. The longer i keep getting the run around, the more doubts i get.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    If enough people looked under the weather stripping would the 6's reliability rating be lower? As I said a while back CR does count Paint/Body/Trim as a reliability stat in determining a cars overall reliability.

    Anyway rust issue aside its nice CR rates the 6's reliability that high.

    Finally, Does anybody on this board have an 04 6 that isn't rusting? That would tell me if Mazda fixed their manufacturing defect. Of course most owners 03 6's rusted over a period of 5 months it seems like so it could be hard to tell how 04 6's paint jobs will be over the long haul. I look at the 6 whenever I see one. The paint job seems to be nice so the rust issue is kinda weird.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Again folks, we are not going to talk about the Accord here.
  • Yeah, I know. And my Mazda dealer won't install remote car starters - PERIOD. I've already decided I'm not going to do it. If the dealer and/or Mazda won't endorse it or recommend one, then I'm not going to screw with it. It sure woulda been nice, tho....
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Remote car starters just waste gas and lead to carbon build up in the engine b/c the vehicle is idling so long.
  • seafseaf Posts: 339
    are probably a bad idea due to safety and waste of gas. Maybe another route is to get a seatwarmer that acts quicker?
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    That is if you have an automatic. We have 2 car starters and they work great! Wish I could get one on my P5, but no one will put one in a 5 speed. It can be done, but no one wants to touch it.

    Of course Mazda won't endorse it. If they didn't test it, or sell it to you, then they want nothing to do with it. Geesh, they wouldn't endorse a different tire when I called them. They said to buy the same one that came on the car and if I bought a different one it was at my own risk.

    Get a reputable shop to install a brand name starter and you'll be fine. Check around, I'm sure some one has one installed in a 6.
  • waydewayde Posts: 198
    get some heated seats installed (that's assuming you don't have them already)
  • Bought my 6 GT-6 Auto Feb. 14/03, have 32,000 km.(20,000+ miles) on it. It is a great car - super handling & braking, more than adequate power, very comfortable and the sound it makes when accelerating is addictive. I notice on reading messages that a lot of owners are mentioning rust or staining. My 6 has seen about 3 months of Cdn. winter & salted roads since I bought it. I cleaned it and inspected it carefully today and cannot find a trace of anything like that. It is probably the most enjoyable car that I have owned.
    (I have owned over 60 cars)
  • Saw 2 of them in Raleigh yesterday -- my car is no longer unique in this area... Both had sport pkg, 1 had the V6 badge and 1 did not. That's a good looking car! ;-)

  • I already have the heated leather seats. But it seems to take a good couple minutes before they kick in and I can feel the heat on my backside. Besides, they only heat your rearend. My face, feet, etc. are still freezing while I wait for the warm air to finally come out of the vents.
  • Is it just me, or does it take forever before hot air starts coming out? Even after 5 minutes of warming up, I don't get adequate heat until I have been driving for 15 minutes or so. I'm in San Diego (although it has been dropping into the 30's at night), so I can't imagine what it's like in colder climates. Getting heat to my feet is an even bigger problem! In my ex-Protege and current Protege5, you are in an oven within 5 minutes and it will bake your feet even on the lowest fan setting.
  • accord7 - my complaint is not a major one.

    All four of my door hinges started to squeak like the dickens once the temp dropped. I'm not sure if these are lubed during the PDI but it's very annoying. It should be taken care of during my first oil change.

    The major rattle source is the console. Based on how others have fared with their dealers I'm inclined to let it ride lest they scratch the damn thing or break something else trying to fix the problem area(s).
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    a miracle when they see a 6?

    I have thought about one of those remote starters because the car is so cold when I get out of work. Maybe on my next car.
  • "How come everybody acts like a miracle when they see a 6?"

    Because I see one about as often as I see a Viper or Ferrari.
  • I am seeing more and more 6's. I just hadn't seen any other Sepang Greens -- then 2 in one day. Where I live (near the Research Triangle Park in NC), the most common car seems to be the BMW 3 Series. I still see more TSX's than 6's in this neck of the woods. carguy has a point, though, the novelty of 6 sightings is wearing off.

  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    50 of them it wears off. I usually see couples or single's drving them. You do see 6's with tinted windows and after exhausts on occasion.

    I see as many as TSX's as I see 6's. Maybe a little more TSX sightings.

    I see alot of 3 Series too. Alot of Ford Explorer's, Honda Accord's, Nissan Altima's and Toyota Camry's. Pretty much the usual of what everybody sees on the roads nowadays.

    Finally, I see alot of the 93-97 626's does anybody see alot of them?
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    as many as 10 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury products sold in North America will be using the Mazda6 platform, according to the News today.
  • That news has been floating around for a while. The first car we will see on that platform will be the 2005 Ford Futura, the replacement for the Taurus. However, they are going to build that car in Mexico, which I think is a bad idea. Oh well... my 6i's tranny was built in Mexico too. Maybe it has seen too many rodeos with all of the bucking it does.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I didn't visit very often Mazda6 board!!! I would be more careful next time.
  • No problem! It's good to bring things up like this every once in a while. It will be interesting to see what other vehicles are going to built on this platform.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    "It will be interesting to see what other vehicles are going to built on this platform."

    There was a list of "planned" vehicles when that news came out. I recall the Escape/Tribute/Mariner triplets being involved.

    It makes sense as the current Escape/Tribute twins are loosely based on the last 626.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see an AWD baby Lincoln coupe on that list someday either. What with all the other luxos introducing "baby" models soon too. Look what Volvo's doing with the Mazda3 platform.
  • seafseaf Posts: 339
    Isn't that built in japan? The engine might be built in mexico.
  • Oops. You're right. The engine is built in Mexico... auto tranny in U.S.
  • heats up quicker than any car I have ever owned, which is a pleasant surprise, living in Chicago area
  • That's the funny thing. According to the coolant temp gauge, mine warms up to its normal operating temp (about half way up the gauge) in less than 5 minutes from a cold start. Getting that heat into the interior is my problem. Who knows... it's probably a problem in mine. I miss cable actuated HVAC controls.

    Come to think of it... I have noticed many times in the past that warm air was coming out of the vents despite having the temp control knob set to its coldest setting (manual climate control). It always seemed like the air coming through the vents was 20 degrees warmer than the air outside, and I had to turn on the AC to stay cool in the car despite the outside temperature being about 60 degrees. Another thing to add to my repair list...
  • Your car must have been assembled on a Monday! The HVAC in my 6 heats up relatively quickly -- no faster or slower than other cars I've owned. It's interesting to watch the climate control cycle the first few minutes. At first it's on a low setting with the a/c activated, directed at feet and windshield; then it progressively increases the fan speed and directs warm air at feet and thru the main vents. Makes me realize that I probably would have been blasting cold air into the cabin for a while before the engine warmed up.

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