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  • "Several failures of the Mazda6 V6... I believe the V6 is a Ford engine, which would explain a lot..."

    Well, heck, if you *believe* it, it must be true! No point in actually doing some research online before spreading FUD and more incorrect information, right??!

    Geez, it really gets my goat to see stuff like this. It's been discussed so many times here, and yet people still want to believe whatever they want to believe without regard for actual facts or anything. It is a well-known fact that the Mazda6 V6 is based upon a Ford BLOCK, that's it. Everything else is Mazda engineered, that's why it's so smooth and has a nice flat power curve.

    "Block" does not equal "engine."

    Now I'd love to hear more about these "failures" mentioned (or maybe this is a better topic for the Problems and Solutions board...?)
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    The Nissan Altima: the 93-97 Altima did sell pretty well. When the 98 came out the Honda Accord grew in size and the exterior styling on the 98 Altima was not well recieved by Nissan's core buyer. The Altima took the Stanza's old spot. The Contour took nobody's spot in the Ford line-up maybe the Tempo(I think.)
  • 10 months & 32,000 k.m. and so far I have never had a smoother running excellent performing great sounding engine. I have not had ANY problems! Oh, I have had to change the oil & filter 4 times.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    what is your agenda?

    >>> Hi- I was just watching a car show on TV ( they were talking about several failures of the Mazda 6 V6. <<<<

    are u the publicity agent for ?

    sorry if I am blunt. but I don't beat around the bushes with "kind" language.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    the syndicated auto writer, in last week's article in the Boston Globe, attacked both Mazda and Toyota for their inflexibility in allowing people to buy certain models with some safety related options without buying the "kitchen sink" so to speak. Specifically he mentioned the Matrix (which we bought last year) for not having units available at the dealerships with ABS. Toyota claims it is the dealers fault for not ordering stock with ABS. They say that if you order a car you can get ABS as in individual option. When we wanted to buy, there wasn't a Matrix anywhere in New England with ABS, so we bought without. (We needed a car fairly fast.)
    He also mentioned the Mazda 6 and threw out a financial analysis of what it takes to get ABS. Even though the ABS by itself should only cost $3-500 (his estimate) you need to purchase over $4000 worth of other options to get the 6 with ABS.
    He went on to mention that Honda is doing the "right" thing by equipping all their high volume models with ABS and a couple of other safety options by the 2006 model year, so that there won't be any safety options to purchase. Now if only Mazda would do the same and allow us to buy a moderately priced 6 with all the safety equipment.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    It won't surprised if Honda raised the prices on their vehicles by 1,000 dollars with all that standard safety equipment. Knowing Honda they aren't going to give something away for free. Bottom Line: When Honda adds a new feature in one their cars the price jumps all of a sudden.

    The cars I want to buy I want to buy them off the lot not order them. If they come standard with the ABS I'll take it. Without the ABS I'll take it too.

    Didn't GM eliminate some standard safety equipment in their cars a couple years ago because it wasn't worthed for GM financially?
  • I don't think petpad has an agenda, or at least a negative one. BTW he just bought a Mazda3, so I doubt he is like some of the Honda people that have been on these forums, and want to argue back and forth about which car is better. I think he was just trying to find out why the program he watched was mentioning a engine problem on a car that has been very successful/highly regarded.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    yes, GM had put ABS on everything and they found out that it did not sell any additional cars. Many consumers did not see any additional value in ABS brakes.

    FYI...we see very little deamnd for the safety features from most buyers. Scary but true. So I understand GM''s decision. I only drive cars with ALL the safety stuff....if you ever drove with me you would understand. haha
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    Rich - Is your dealership one-price-for-all or negotiated price? Just curious.
  • There are no issues with the V6. More FUD.
  • What does FUD stand for?
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    I guess it was just flame bait. ;)
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    we haggle..

    I spent about a year in Nashville a few years back and we were a one price store. I liked the concept but when your surrounded by dealers who haggle it sure made things difficult. We lost sales for $50 all the time.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    It spreads no Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt.
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    Personally, I would pay the extra 50 bucks for the pleasure of not having to haggle, and because I'd like to encourage that way of doing business. But then again I'm probably not a normal car buyer.
  • After spending too many months in the 4-cyl and watching the many forums that are out there (including this one), I wish I had gotten a V6! They seem to be the more reliable of the two engines and certainly is not strained nearly as much as the 4-cylinder. That same Ford Duratec engine block has served Ford, Lincoln, Jaguar, and Mazda extremely well, and I would dare say it is one of the best engines on the market.

    The 2.3L 4-cylinder is a good engine, but not for the Mazda6 when mated with an automatic. It constantly strains under 4000 rpm and you practically have to floor it to get the transmission to not shift before then. Plus, because of the constant strain and liberal use of the throttle just to keep up with a Metro, the mileage is absolutely notrotious... I average 19-21 mpg with 90% highway driving!

    Personally, I have labeled my car the "Anti-Zoom." It is strictly an appliance with poor acceleration, terrible efficiency, and wobbly handling. I had forgotten why I have been a Mazda-loyalist for the past 5 cars. I got to drive the other half's Protege5 last night and remembered what Zoom-Zoom is. It was nice to have a proper powerband and the immediate response from both the steering wheel and the throttle is what a Zoom-Zoom car is supposed to be. It just made me hate my 6 even more, although it sure felt cramped in there.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    ... your car is a lemon. In all aspects, the 6i Autos I've driven (and from the accounts of people who own them) have been very satisfactory in terms of pep, handling, and dare-I-say-it Zoom Zoom!

    With the 6 you sacrifice the edginess and instantaneous responsiveness of the Protege chassis, but gain so much - great comfort, awesome feature set and more. Its a pity you got a lemon - with any other 6i Auto, your experience and opinion would definitely not have been this stained ;)
  • jstand, a V6 is always desirable over a four but I hardly think the 2.3L is a slouch. I think it's a mechanical prob with your engine. I've read all your posts, here and elsewhere, and you strike me as a very knowledgeable auto performance enthusiast. As such, it's odd that you would have purchased an auto tranny, esp. with a four. IMO, despite all their improvements and gimmicks, an auto tranny is still a boring way to drive.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "After spending too many months in the 4-cyl and watching the many forums that are out there (including this one), I wish I had gotten a V6! They seem to be the more reliable of the two engines and certainly is not strained nearly as much as the 4-cylinder"

    I read the same forums and I haven't heard about any problems with 4 with the exception of a couple of CELs. I really think it must be the auto transmission that is making the 4 feel "strained" because I regularly beat people away from stoplights without even trying, and a I have the 2.3L with a 5sp. My parents had a 1992 Camry V6 automatic that they sold to my friend, and I beat him in a race too. I get about 24-25 mpg city and 32 mpg highway. That's the same mileage I was getting in my 2001 Protege ES 2.0L with a 5sp, which is a lighter car than my 6i with A LOT less power.
  • I hate automatics, but I commute 40 miles to work and most of the trip is spent crawling. I lasted 9 months in this traffic with the '99 Protege ES 5-spd until I finally snapped and bought an auto. I would have preferred the V6 with the auto, but I was worried about fuel economy since I put 20,000 miles per year on the car. It was really an irrational decision... I least favorite car color is white, I can't stand hubcaps, and I detest automatic transmissions... and I ended up with all three. But, the traffic and the inability to use the air conditioning while crawling at 3 MPH put me over the top! I would be sweating for 3-4 hours after getting home and you did not want to be anywhere near me... I couldn't sleep and I would just chain-smoke in the car (I know, bad!). But this car was such a good deal ($16,999) and it was pretty peppy at first. I can't wait to get rid of it, and I do agree that it is a lemon. Believe me, I much prefer a manual transmission! I'm actually seriously thinking of a Ford Crown Victoria or Lincoln Continental to replace this. The V8/auto/RWD combo is super reliable, as is the rest of the car, and they actually get pretty good fuel mileage. What a far cry from the favorite car that I have owned... a 1st Gen RX-7!
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    Get a Lincoln LS with the V6 and 5-speed ;)
  • With the way the 6s is designed, is it possible to put in a new cd deck?
  • jstand, a rwd Crown Vic is a terrific car....BUT you seem to be drifting farther and farther away from your automotive roots. You dump your zippy Protege stick for a slushbox 6, now you're pondering a giant land-barge?? It's like you're aging rapidly like in that 1960s Star Trek episode! first car was a 1986 Escort w/ a Mazda-built 4-sp stick. No a/c, no power steering. But I enjoyed driving such automotive purity. I have an automatic GM sedan now--I'm more comfortable but less happy..............if you're considering a Crown Vic for safety reasons, I encourage you to buy one. New Vics are incredibly cheap. But I think you'd be more (sublimely) happy in a 6 stick. Be true to yourself.
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    It's probably possible, but likely to be difficult and expensive.
  • My Husband & I are AAI employees. We're excited & anxious to get a new 6.
    Our 22 yr. old daughter got out of a lease early...her new car is equipped with XM radio. She's raving about it incessantly.
    Have any 6 owners equipped their cars with XM? Is it worth the extra cost?
  • I don't know why you're getting under 20mpg, jstandfer, but I've got a 4-cylinder automatic and I average 25mpg in city driving, and 29-30 on the highway.
  • Like others have said, you got a total lemon. I own a 6i and average 26 to 27 mpg in combination city and highway driving. Other than the slight squeaking brakes, it has been a great car (knock on wood).
  • seafseaf Posts: 339
    is not available in the 6, at least from the dealer. You'd have to get an aftermarket one installed. I personally don't think they're worth it, you're basically paying a monthly subscription fee to listen to a radio that has no commercials, how about installing an MP3-CD player instead? Or a multi-CD deck and you've got hours of music YOU want to listen to, not "close enough" by some DJ who composed the song list for the stations.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    We have it on one of our cars and I absolutely rave about it. It's like High Speed access. Some people are happy with dial-up. Some folk think DSL is a litle slow.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Mazda, like the entire Ford family, will be going with will see this appear on some mazda products now (MPV, miata) and some others later this model year.
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