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Subaru Legacy/Outback Wagons Maintenance & Repair



  • Who would have thought I would have to pay $500 for hitting a curb?
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Read your owner manual :P

    Since the old tires have a good amount of miles on 'em, the tread will be lower and the overall diameter of the tire will be less than an equivalent sized new tire. Sears probably doesn't shave tires, so they're correct in saying NO to you.

    If you can find a place that'll shave the new tires to the same tread depth or overall tire diameter of the old tires, you *could* get the new tires. But, since you already dislike the Potenza's, just opt for new tires now and be safer.

  • Did you ever find the problem to your P0122 error code? I just started to experience the car jerking me around and the P0122 code appeared.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,775
    P0122 = Throttle position sensor circuit low input

    If the ECM does not know how much the throttle plate is open, determining the correct amt of fuel, ignition timing, etc., gets very dicy.

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  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    I replaced tires on my 2.5 outback a few months ago. Had 27,000 miles on Potenza's. They looked ok but figured they would not serve me well for the entire winter. Bought the Goodyear triple treads which are fine, except that my gas mileage has dropped 7 or 8 %, and it is not my imagination. Anyone else out there had a similar experience?

    Also, and this has nothing to do with my outback, but doing my Federal Taxes, some of you may know for business miles the rate was something like 40.5 cents for first 8 months last year, then up to 47 or 48 cents for last three months. Now I hear it is back down again. At any rate, any opinions on the average fuel price, per gallon, here in the Northeast for the entire year? I was guessing somewhere around $2.30 or $2.40. Any and all comments would be appreciated.
  • tkanictkanic Posts: 78
    Re: tires and mpg:
    1 - Check the pressure, low pressure can cost gas.
    2 - When did you get the new tires? Winter gas blends (oxygenated) usually get less mpg then straigh gasoline, and many people, including myself, have noticed a drop of MPG after the Katrena huricane, some have speculated that in order to get things going again 'low quality' gas was made, just to get volumne.

    My area does not use oxygenated gas, but before the huricane I would get about 27-28 mpg, but with some very careful driving, highway only I could manage 30 mpg, after the huricane I was luckly to hit 27 at all, just recently I am back in the 27-28 mpg range.

    3 - On my former car (FWD) I would get 25-26 mpg with the standard tires, but when I put on snowtires on the front only it fell to 23-24, so tires can make a difference.
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    I am aware that gas formulation can change during the winter months (live near Providence, RI) plus cold weather, in an of itself, can have a negative effect on gas mileage, but the drop in gas mileage was immediate after I put on the tires. I make the same trip every few weeks, Prov RI to Montreal, same roads, same road conditions, little traffic, etc., and the weather for many of these trips has not been very cold; I have complained to Goodyear & some have admitted that the particular tire I have, Assurance Triple Tread has a very aggressive tread design & can have an adverse effect on gas mileage. Probably a great tire for winter driving, but haven't really had much bad weather to test it in
  • Does nyone know ifthe stereo in the 2006 outbacks has an aux in in the back? I want to connect sat radio and an ipod without using the problematic and inferior sounding FM modulator solution. Suggestions?
  • tkanictkanic Posts: 78
    I don't know, I have a 05 OB, and don't know if it does either, but if it does I see no way of selecting 'aux' on the front.

    How do these rear 'aux' ports work, does it just detect sound comming from it and then switch to aux mode automatically, or is there some switch marked aux on the front so you can switch it manually?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 10,868
    I imagine you are correct on that. The weather has continued to get colder since putting mine on in late November, but with the -30 down to -50 temps of the past 2 weeks, I have been getting no BETTER than 15 mpg on the same drives I once averaged 23 (during summer, not winter!). 15 is by far the lowest I have ever seen - previous winter driving in these temps would be at around 16+. Winter always drops my MPG to below 20, but e-gads. Since the head gasket replacement in September, I am lucky if I can get a tank of fuel to average better than 20. The overall average since September is probably at about 18, but I would have to add up gallons/miles to be sure.

    On the flip side, these tires have great forward traction compared to any tire I have had on the car in the past. Good stopping traction, excellent acceleration traction and steering control. If I was on primarily dry or wet roads, I would have gone with the GY Allegras (at nearly half the price!) I had on it the last time.

    I will chime in again after spring arrives.... in a few months!
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  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Unfortunately, Subaru doesn't offer a simple way to connect another audio device in.

    The best I've seen so far is from the user "jazzymt". He sells it off another forum, and I think rules here don't permit us to post a link to it. But you can find more information by Googling for "jazzymt plug and play".

    His solution has been proven to work by many satisifed customers. He taps into the CD audio. It's somewhat awkward because you have to play a blank CD (which he gives you), and the headphone input from your source is just "superimposed". Buyers have said it's much better-sounding than an FM modulator solution.

    I haven't bought it yet but I plan to. He includes detailed instructions on installing it. Works on 2005/2006 Outbacks with the 6-CD changer and, with some caveats, on single-CD units too.

    Unfortunately, Subaru's audio head unit shares a circuit board with the climate control system so adding an aux-in is not that simple. Thus you don't see solutions from vendors like Blitzsafe. Pity.

    jazzymt's solution is ingenious and he deserves a a huge amount of praise from the Outback community. It starts at just $45.
  • Does nyone know ifthe stereo in the 2006 outbacks has an aux in in the back? I want to connect sat radio and an ipod without using the problematic and inferior sounding FM modulator solution. Suggestions?
    This is endlessly discussed on subaruoutback and legacygt.
    Jazzy has a description on legacygt.
  • lfdallfdal Posts: 679
    After 2+ yrs and a number of visits to the dealership they finally agreed to order the oversized replacement pistons for my wife's 03 OBW. The car currently has 38k on it, and the slap's been getting steadily louder since about 6k.

    It was so bad a couple of weeks ago I thought we'd lost the oil.

    I worked hard to maintain the civility of my relationship with the dealership while this has been going on since they also service my 04 FXT. Maybe they're doing it just to shut me up :D .

    My point with this post - a thank-you to everyone who has posted about piston slap, what it should and shouldn't sound like, and the various methods they employed to get their problems resolved.

    Now to keep my fingers crossed that the repair goes well.

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869

    That's great news. I'm curious as to how they fix the piston slap now. Back when I had it on my 98 Forester, all they did was replace the stock pistons with ones that had longer sleeves. However, it was my understanding that Subaru eventually moved to this design in all their engines.

    Also, will the dealer replace the short block too? If it is at all possible, I'd have them replace both since you would be putting in brand new pistons in a block with 38K miles. I'd wonder how well the piston rings will break-in and seal in this situation.

  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    I'm glad they took care of you . I Had the replacement piston installed on my 02 outback with 48k miles .I have a 02 base outback wagon. I had the slap from 6k miles .My slap was so bad that I was afraid to drive the car . It knocked all the time even at operating temps. I was able to see my engine apart and was very suprised at how little wear there was. The only wear they found was on the piston by the wrist pin and at that it was only the moly coating that was worn off. the cylinder wall look great with all the hone marks still visable.
    Now the bad news I have the slap noise back not nearly as bad .It only lasts about 3-5mins when engine is cold. I have taken it back to dealer for the noise . They say that SOA will not authorize future repairs because it is a charactaristic of the engine design.
    I have to say that my outback has not burned any oil during its life.I now have 61k miles on it now .

    Mike k
  • I ended up getting 4 new Yokohamas at an STS dealer in Nassau County. I got them because of all the great reviews on Tirerack dot com. It's funny...on blacktop they are dead quiet...but on asphalt (concrete mix?) they seem louder and rougher than the Potenzas were. The car seems to accelerate a little faster (my imagination?) and economy appears the same although I only put on 120 miles.
    Anyway... having to spend $530 for 4 new tires because I damaged one is not very economical and I probably will not purchase an AWD car next time around. :(
    The manager at STS was suprised I knew this. He said almost everyone who comes in with an AWD vehicle is ignorant of this.
  • I'm surprised more people don't read the owner's manual so they know what is and is not required.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Isn't it the same for a FWD or RWD vehicle? If a front tire on a FWD (or a rear tire on a RWD) goes, you should replace both tires on that axle. Though, most just buy 1 tire and rotate a tire forward or back to get a matching set on the driving axle. Won't be able to rotate that new tire to the driving axle later though...

  • tkanictkanic Posts: 78
    It really isn't as big of a deal w/ with FWD or RWD, this setup can usually compensate for 1 wheel turning faster then the other.
  • tkanictkanic Posts: 78
    Whoops, hit post too soon....

    That is unless there is a way for the drive wheels to 'lock' together such as posi traction. Subies will lock and unlock wheels as needed and you really want matching tires.
  • tkanictkanic Posts: 78
    Just curious if I could use e85 directly in the tank for my 05 OBi, or if not what modification could be made to make it so?
  • I am looking for a OBD Scanner for my 95 subrau Legacy. Can you direcet me to wher I can buy one and how much it may cost?
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I think the OBDII scanners work on '96+ vehicles. Not sure what is available for pre OBDII vehicles. The Mazda boards I follow show that you can have the CEL flash a code to you on pre-96 vehicles.

  • ebony5ebony5 Posts: 142
    Which Yokohama tires did you get? I looked up those for the '05 base OBW on Tirerack and was amazed at the cost compared to those that are available for my '96 OBW. I put Aegis Ls4's on about 17 months ago. I asked the Service Manager to get them for me where I have my car serviced and used $100.00 in Subaru Bucks towards the price, which ended up being $247.72 out of pocket for all 4 tires.
  • opeope Posts: 4
    The engine of our automatic 2004 Outback w/22K mi. (and has had all scheduled maintenance, etc.) snarls--sort of like a buzzer--inside the engine when shifting from first to second,at around 2000rpm. Doesn't happen on other shifts. Any ideas what might this might be?
  • rob_mrob_m Somewhere North of BostonPosts: 813
    Keep us posted. I believe I am following your footsteps on this one. My wife's 03 OBW with 23k has been getting progressively louder over the winter. It knocks for a good 20 minutes before it seems to start to quiet down. I brought it to the attention of the service department on the last oil change, but they basically blew me off. Good Luck! Rob M.
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    I had the two drive side pistons replaced on my 2001 OB at about 50k miles. It only happened when the engine was cold, but would last about 20 minutes if outside temps were cold too. It has never burned a drop of oil and now with 80k+ on it the noise is coming back. I've learned more about piston slap and I'm not worried about it. Noisy yes, but I guess its not causing any serious wear issues.
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