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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII



  • I'll help him out in one regard:

    The Liberty is the only mini-SUV (out of the Escape, Tribute, CR-V, RAV-4 and even the Rover Freelander) that is RWD based and has a solid rear axle. Take it for what it's worth. I'll take a Liberty anyday over these other for off-roading. I like them.....A lot better than I like Rangers!

  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Because otherwise Liberty would be a [non-permissible content removed] child in a long family of offroaders: Cherokee and GC are pretty good offroad too. I doubt many people who bought Liberty would ever take it offroad.
  • The best off-road vehicles are not factory built, they are custom made. I still do not see why the one function where your vehicle spends the least amount of time has so much emphasis.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,124
    are just two of the reasons "offroad ability" are important. to over 95 percent of owners it means nothing.
  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    90% or more of your posts attempt to demonstrate that your Ranger 4X4 is just as good as the Tacoma off-road. Does that mean that you have a poor self-image or just a big ego?
    95% of us don't really care either way.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Because when you need it, and don't have it, you sing a different song.
    Of course, that applies mostly to rural areas, but it could have limited application even in urban areas at times of snow/rain etc.
  • It sure does not snow often around Dallas.

    There might be ice once a year or so, but off-road ability does not help you there. Besides, off-road prowress does not equate to on-road traction. Sure, 4WD and grippy tires do help, but that suspension lift and great ground clearance will do nothing for you. Besides I'd rather have a limited slip pumpkin over a locker on Ice/Snow/Rain anyway. 150 pounds of sand does more wonders than any off-road package.

    I guess it just comes to a point where you eat, breathe, drink, sleep, and live the off-roading lifestyle, and it becomes all that is important. Enjoy it man, just do not expect the majority to share your ideals.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Sure doesn't snow in Dallas much. But it's not like I stay in Austin, never leave it and wait for that snow to come. I drive to CO, KS and other places that do get snow and nasty weather. Yes, a TRD package is an overkill for bad weather. A 4x4 is certainly good for you when it happens.
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    new baby arrived monday morning. hee haw. nothing like a new baby. especially when she's healthy and beautiful. mom doing excellent too. two girls, talk about having a full plate. going tomorrow to get my blem BFG's replaced with the real things. $100 more for the five. blems just had screwed up white letters, but they said blem on the blackwalls i had out. looked like crap. i ALSO WILL take the lib off road. it looks totally awesome with the BFG's. id send a pic, but i dont know how to on this forum. later taters
  • smgillessmgilles Posts: 252
    On the baby girl...
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    and dirty diapers
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  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    Yeh congrats dude. Hopefully she'll grow up with better taste in trucks than her dad though. Did you name her something cool like Tacoma?
  • lariat1lariat1 Posts: 461
    I notice you said that you put a gallon of gas in the tank to see if the gage was reading correctly so I would assume that you ran the gas tank real low, as a future precaution it is not a good idea to do that since most fuel pumps are lubricated by the fuel they pump when they suck air they tend to prematurely fail, I am not saying that is what happened to your Liberty but it never hurts to be cautious.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    A guy from a Toyota dealership got a word out that 2003 Tacomas are coming out new. Looks like they'll have a 4.0L V6 240hp engine, DC Tacos will have Extracab beds (long ones), Extracabs will come with suicide doors. Toyota has been keeping this secret, it seems, but dealership mechanics are now getting certified to work on new 4.0L engines.
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    nah, it had a quarter tank of gas in her when i put more in. i just did this to be cautious. the guys at the service dept. also put in gas. it had a lot of gas in it, enough that it ought had run alright. i think it just went bad.
  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    What happened to your post telling us about your new vehicle crapping out tbunder?
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    Is this reliable information??
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Came off a guy who just worked at Toy dealership.
    We kept trying to tell him it was 2004, but he insisted it was 2003. models are coming up either in September of October, can't remember now, so we'll find out for sure then.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    There's this one thing I don't understand: Ranger and Tacoma weight the same. The dimensions are approximately the same. So if you say that Tacoma is tinny....what does that make Ranger? Unless Ford has found a way to build engines and drivetrains out of superlight and superstrong material, I'd say your Ranger is just as tin as our Taco.
  • You don't see many stories about the Ranger's bed getting dinged up by loading up an ATV or cooler.

    Base Model Ranger: 3085 lbs
    Base Model Tacoma: 2750 lbs
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    scorpio- the tacoma is very thin in the metal department (even your fellow tacoma'ers concede this). the doors of a tacoma are extremely thin compared to the ranger's thicker more solid doors. go compare the two. if you can't see the difference, you must not want to. the whole truck is that way (frame, axles, bumpers, towhooks, etc). the tacoma looks awesome. especially white TRD's. but the ranger is a more stoutly built vehicle. im not going to go into everything, but we all know the ranger tops the tacoma in every work and power category, not to mention price. looks like it's about 335 lbs. of sheetmetal that separate the two. or it may be the heavier dana axles on the ranger. who knows, but one thing is for certain; the tacoma's doors are so skinny that you can flex the corner sheetmetal bends. not good.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    comparing 4WD versions is bad for your "335 lbs of sheetmetal" arguement:
    V6 Xtracab 4WD Tacoma weights 3515
    V6 Xtracab 4WD Ranger weights 3580

    So........heavier Dana axles? Where exactly does the sheetmetal come in? If they weight the same, and you keep saying that "Ranger is more solidly built", plus all the standard features.....if you add that much weight, Ford had to reduce the load somewhere else. So where is it?
  • Seems to me that Toyota would ADD more items to their 4x4 Tacoma's than Ford would take away from their 4x4 Ranger (as opposed to respective 4x2 models). Maybe Ford doesn't need a full 300 extra pounds to transform it's truck into a 4x4.

    Another example of if it's not 4WD, "it's not worth squat."
    Are we talking sheet metal or weight of the 4WD components?

    Per Edmunds:
    Toyota Tacoma prerunner, ext cab, automatic, 2wd:
    3355 lbs.
    Ranger Edge, 3.0l Auto, 2wd Ext Cab,
    3584 lbs.

    P.S. Ford lists the 4x4 supercab at 3707 pounds.

    P.S.S. Anyone seen the new FX-4 Level 2's?
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    stang, what exactly is this?
    scorp- go drive a ranger off-road, then you'll see what i mean by "more solidly built". no comment on the flexing doors i see.
    i doubt power windows, a cd player, and whatever the ranger has that toyota charges extra for add that much weight to a ranger.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    I would assume the 4.0 V6 in the ranger would weigh more than the tacoma V6, being that it's a larger engine. couldn't this easily account for the difference in weight?
    I'm very skeptical of anecdotal stories about "easily dented beds." Especially when I hear these stories on internet message boards.
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