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Volkswagen Phaeton



  • jb317jb317 Posts: 3
    Thanks vwguild,

    I got my call from 'phaeton care' and they explained that you are correct. If I'd have bought the car in Europe or got one of the 'dozen' random models imported into the US I'd have RDS. With that installed I'd be able to read all the CD's. Once again US buyers of German cars get short changed! That said brilliant car!
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Astute Consumer... ;)
  • If I buy this car I don't care about the resale value because I'll have it essentially forever. All that will matter is how much I pay for it. So with that in mind, and with the car apparently being killed after 2006, can anyone advise me of a buying strategy? What are they going for now, and will there be "irrational" pricing on them at a later date?
  • I'm also on the lookout for a Phaeton bargain. Last Dec, the Virginia dealers were offering 04's, with 3000 demo models for about $53,000. VW had $10,000 plus $7000 in rebates to dealers that had three phaetons in stock. Given that they were so heavily discounted last year, I'm waiting to see what happens to the used 05's.

    The Manheim wholesale auctions have many 04's selling for high $30's to low $40's. By the Spring, this car may be had used for $35,000 with low miles. Given that it will have terrible resale value, you'll have to get a great deal when you buy it and hold it for a long time. :shades:
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    I doubt it will go in the $35's with low miles. Really doubt it. They tack $5,000 on the auction prices retail... Owners know what they have!

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    This beautiful Phaeton has Bentley wheels p-shopped. But they do fit! It's a Bentley under the skin.
  • I see a 2004 W-12 with 12,500 miles advertised on Auto for $50K. Some questions: Does anyone think this will get much lower? Are there any differences between the '04s, the '05s and the '06s? And what about the W-12? Is it a meaningful difference between it and the V-8, or is a W-12 sort of like a 100 millimeter cigarette?
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Drinks gas but marvelous engineering and bragging rights. But you can only tell the difference by popping the hood or looking at the twin tail pipes in back. 2004 - 2006 pretty much the same but '05 and '06 $20k more. (special discounts for 1st 300 W12s sold in '04)

    Visit VWVortex Phaeton for answers to all your questions.
  • Just did a deal for a 2004 W-12 with 18,500 miles for $53K. Dealer's in the Midwest, I'm in Seattle so it'll be a while 'til I have the car. I'm salivating.
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Photoshop. Wheels will be installed next spring.
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Not so fast! Wait until I have mine installed. I just got them last week. There are fitment issues in the spare tire well - with binding at the jack, the wiring harness and an air extraction vent. There is also a difference in the wheel hub of the Bentley relative to the Phaeton that needs to be carefully thought out but the bolt pattern is evidently the same at 5x112 - so they will "fit" if that's all you care about. The tires are almost an inch wider and 2/3 of an inch taller than stock. This could cause an issue with the speedometer and clearences may be tight, especially in front. Heck, they are still in my living room except for the spare that is stuck in the trunk. :confuse:

    Sure looked pretty in the photoshop... but wait a bit until I'm sure - I haven't tried to mount one on my Phaeton yet.
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    If anyone else has tried this fitment, please let me know.

    I am wondering if the Phaeton TPMS sensors will fit on the Bentley wheel and if the wider wheel and tire will necessatate a relocation of the TPMS antennas mounted on the Phaeton. The system has been tempermental and it's something you want to get right - else the alarm beep keeps going off. At present, my Phaeton doesn't recognize the Bentley spare tire that's in the trunk. I'm very confused about that. Also, will the Bentley TPMS sensors work with the Phaeton electronics?
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Regarding the hub fitment concerns... I have been looking at the Bentley wheels you shipped and the Phaeton spare wheel I have - all sitting here in my living room.

    There is a taper machined around the hole for the wheel hub on both wheels. The taper has an OD of 2 7/8" on the Phaeton wheel and 2 3/4 on the Bentley and then they taper down into the hub hole in the wheel. If this tapered area fits tightly over the Phaeton wheel hub, then the Bentley tire will ride up on it and not fit flush with the face of the hub.

    Another issue is there is a recessed circular "key" about the diameter of a quarter around one bolt hole at the mounting face on each Bentley wheel. The Phaeton wheels don't have it. Might be a worry if fitting Phaeton wheels on a Bentley but should be OK the other way? Unless I'm missing something. The idea that there are difference is what is worrying.
  • Hi all, I am new to this forum but it has ben EXTREMLY useful thus far. I am strongly considering purchasing a used 2004, V8 Phaeton, Nocturne Aubergine (burganday), Tan Interior, Comfort and Technology package. 12.5K miles and offered at 41,900 (I plan to offer lower). Any thoughts on the value ? How about future depreciation (although I don't expect to sell),

    Thanks in advance
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    That's a great price already with the two most important options and a beautiful and rare color. See a bunch of photos I posted on VWVortex. You will absolutely love this car. Hope you find also a great dealer for service.
  • Thanks, We have one dealer here (austin, Tx) that is "approved" to sell Phaetons. I don't know much about them but they have been around for awhile. Can any VW service them even if they don't sell them ? Has Service typically been a problem ?

    I am increasingly impressed with all I am discovering about this vehicle. I am surprised it hasn't sold well. Goes to show how much stock people put into "badges"..
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    The service department had to make an investment in tools and training. You might inquire even if the dealership no longer sells them - service and parts may be OK with working on it.
  • I finally settled on a 2004 vehicle, its 42,500, Burgundy, Tan interior, 18,800 miles, Comfort and technology package, CPO with warrenty extended to 2010 or 74,000 miles.

    It seems like a no brainer but I am concerned with Service. There is only one dealer in my area that services Phaetons, is there a sight or method I can get some opinion on this service dept ?

  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    I have a resource for you. Shoot me an email!
    To do that, click on "paldi" - that goes to my profile which has a link for my email. Yours is marked "private" or I'd email the list to you.
  • I cant believe VW actually came out with this car! I was being offered 95K if I'm correct. I like inside and out and was "VERY" disappointed with every thing about it! They tried to lower the price down to 75K since its doing SO BAD but I walked away and said "EWWW" an hour later I bought myself a Mercedes G55 AMG for 95K. My question is to every Pheaton owner out there, " What made you buy this car? And couldn't you have boughten some other (My opinion nicer) car? THANKS
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Goodness -- the Phaeton and G55 AMG are a huge leap out of the category you've been shopping according to all of your previous posts ...
  • I can't speak for new car purchases but in my opinion the Phaeton represents the BEST used car value out there. It is clear a marketing failure vs engineering or technology (sure there are some faults but I can't find one car it this class that doesn't have a few (some more than others)). It is a shame it won't be a platform that is continue to be improved but since the opportunity is there why not capitalize.
    I have taken three friends to the local VW dealer to look at the Phaeton and each of them are not looking to buy one since you can get it less than 45K used (low mileage). It would not surprise me now that people are buying up the "deals" that Phaeton will have a spike in popularity before its death...
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    The Bentley wheels and larger tires are on my Phaeton and everything appears fine during and after a 3 mile drive home in the dark. More news as it comes. :)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I rode on the expressway next to one of these tonight. Very sleek, conservative car. The owner had that look on his face like nothing else in the world mattered.

  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    Sleek and conservative sometimes. The new wheels and tires are *just* this side of bling. ">:-)

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Those are great pictures - they really are! - but they are too wide for the display. Do you see how the text is pushed out to the right under the right sidebar when the pictures are displayed?

    Try to keep the width no more than around 500 pixels. If that's not possible, just post links to the pictures. That will keep parts of messages being obliterated.

    Thanks! :)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You don't see the right side overflow? You've got to get them no wider than 500 pixels. I'm not sure what you did, but it doesn't look any different to me.
  • paldipaldi Posts: 210
    No right side overflow here on my laptop using the reduced size. I'll go check the size on Photobucket.

    [edit] 730 x 550 Yes, a little bigger than 500 pixels. Sorry, next time will use links.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Could be my default font size ... if they are not wider than 500 pixels, they'll be fine for everyone else. :-) Sorry for the confusion, I'll be quiet now. ;)
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The wheels look great! They look like original equipment.

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