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Sports Wagons - The wave of the future?



  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    I agree with you a 545 wagon will be nice. But the current versions of the BMW 325 and 525 are not the sportiest of the sport wagons. The current Saab Aero, the Volvo's T5's and V70-R wagons are more powerful and practical. The new Legacy GT wagon is probably as good or better as a driver than all listed.
  • foureyes3foureyes3 Posts: 165
    Well have you seen the rebates on the Durango? Dodge is carrying some pretty hefty rebates without raising prices. I have also checked a few more domestic vehicles. The rebates are pretty helpful. I can't say about two years down the road. I can only talk about the rebates that are here and now. I'm not really planning on buying the magnum hemi 2 years from now. I plan on buying it at least by next September. It's good to watch and wait to see if it gets any recalls or consistent complaints.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good idea, especially with the cylinder deactivation technology that is still new.

    Rebates are a mixed bag, they kill residuals so it ends up costing the same in the end. I also think the automakers just increase prices (in some cases 6 times a year) to make room for those rebates.

  • foureyes3foureyes3 Posts: 165
    Well, I have checked some of the consumer reports. They have so far shown the Dodge Magnum to hold its own. Do you understand why consumers talk about how cheap the interior of the Magnum looks and still buys the vehicle? I was reading a consumer review in Edmund. If I was that dissatisfied with a purchase I would take it back. Why stay with a vehicle that's not meeting your expectations? That's something I'll never understand about consumers. Those features you don't like aren't going to change after you buy the vehicle. Do you buy into e class suspension system and the mercedes components for the gear system? Do you really think that makes a difference in purchasing the Dodge Magnum? Or do you think everybody just wants the Hemi?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I haven't driven the new Hemi-equipped Magnum or 300-C, but I did drive the new Durango with that engine. Frankly I wasn't that impressed. The larger-still Armada felt quicker, and according to magazine road tests, IS quicker.

  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    Slow, slower, slowest you're talking about big SUV's with truck transmissions/gearing. The 300C clicked off 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and 13.9 @ 102mph. Different ball game. The Armada is one of the faster SUV's on the market now and it only run 0-60 in 7.0 and a leisurely 15.5 @ 89!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Maybe, but you would think the larger, heavier Armada, with a smaller less powerful engine would be slower than the lighter more powerful Durango. Not so.

  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    The dodge truck drivetrains have always had more parasitic power loss IMHO. Plus from what I've heard, the Hemi doesn't wake up until it has a few miles on it so green engine test drives might not be completely accurate on the butt-o-meter.

    According to Car and Driver, the Armada and Durango are very close in performance. Picking nits for the most part to say one is quicker than the other. Durango is slightly behind in 0-60, slightly ahead in the 1/4 mile.

    I think performance is certainly a draw for the Magnum and I haven't heard anyone say the power was ho-hum unless perhaps they stepped out of an extremely high performance car. Granted some folks have different tastes in performance, but typically the powerband of a V8 matches my driving style well. My 4cyl VW diesel being the exception.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,821
    i'll state the obvious:
    power and weight are only part of the equation. Gearing makes a HUGE difference. And, of course, the peak power numbers don't tell you about the entire power band, either.

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Magnum is too new, IMO, for any reliability data to be significant. Initial Quality, maybe, though.

    And yes, I do think people buy into the Hemi marketing even if they find the interior is cheap in their opinion. Priorities, I guess.

  • It sounds like it would be better to wait out the hemi craze. I think they will probably start coming with bigger rebates.The wagon has not really been consumer tested and proven through the years. Nobody really knows if it's all hype or if it's a very reliable durable vehicle. I think after somebody breaks takes it to 100,000 miles with no problems.Then I think that will say a lot about the vehicles' worth. I plan on getting me one. It seems like so many vehicles have rebates that it would be worth the wait on the rebates on the magnum. I've only seen 48 reviews on this site for the magnum. I think at least 200 for the 300C. Maybe, there's a shortage of the RT. I've been to at least three dealerships in my state. They do have sxt. I ran across a red Rt. I was looking for mineral gray. The dealership told me it would be a few weeks for the rt to come in. I think demand will wear down if the gas prices drop to reasonable prices. The magnum will drop with the gas prices.
  • Consider these wagon comparison test ideas

    Dodge Magnum
    Mazda 6
    Ford Freestyle
    Volkswagen Passat
    Subaru Legacy

    Luxury wagons

    Audi A4 Avant
    BMW 3 Series
    Mercedes C Class
    Volvo V50
    Jaguar X Type
  • mleboutmlebout Posts: 1
    A little off topic, but I plan to purchase a Mazda 6 GT Sport Wagon. Can anyone tell me if the optional Bose audio system is MP3 compatible and is there a way to connect an iPod to this system?


  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 9,112
    Michael, to specifically discuss the 6 wagon, head on over to the Mazda 6 Wagon topic and check what owners and others interested inthe 6 wagon have to say about it.

    You might also stop in at the weekly Mazda chat tonight and see what folks there have to say!

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  • We have a fair number of luxury wagons here in LA, mostly foreign such as Audi. Have also seen a few Dodge Magnums, lots of Subarus, but virtually no Mailbu Maxxes.

    As the the "Hemi fad", it's firing on all cylinders here. Chrysler 300C's are all over the place (I see several each day), along with "tuned" Accords, Hummers, Excursions and plentiful oversized vehicles, each with only one person inside. Do they care about gas prices? I doubt it.
  • 1997montez341997montez34 NJ, USAPosts: 202
    My dad picked up a '05 Magnum RT AWD last week. Now that's a wagon! The Magnum goes to show that a wagon can be sexy and fast. What a brute of a car.
  • kowalskikowalski Posts: 94
    Check your #s O-60 time is 6.3 seconds .......I know this first hand.
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    am wondering if any prospective sport wagoners have compared the Malibu Maxx to the Audi A3, and what the opinions are?
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    I looked at the A3..I beleive it is smaller in comparison to the is typical German quality, which in my experience has been good........but you cant touch one here in NOVA for under least the ones on the lot I looked at were fully loaded...and all the bells and whistles.....and it appears you lose some legroom in the back as well...Price wise...the Maxx is still a better value IMHO.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hadn't thought of that comparo.

    The A3 is quite small, I went to see one at Rockville Audi. It has not been prepped and their demo was wrecked, so I could not test drive it. I imagine the 2.0 FSI feels a lot different than the 'bu's V6. Lighter and sportier.

    The Maxx can pass as a family vehicle, it's a lot bigger, tons more rear legroom. I've only driven the sedan, but handling is on the soft side. The V6 is torquey, though.

  • 1997montez341997montez34 NJ, USAPosts: 202
    Very interesting article regarding "new-think" wagons. Thoughts?
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    Yes I read A3 is quite smaller than Maxx (about 2 ' shorter). Will be interesting to see how it does in IIHS testing (its cousin, the Jetta, did very well in side impact testing - better than the Malibu or most other mid sized cars).

    if anyone here does compare two as driving, etc., will enjoy hearing about it!
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    If you're looking for interior space, the Ford Freestyle would win hands down. It's the only 7 pass among the group.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They missed on one important point - the Magnum is available with AWD yet they tested one without it.

    Someone shopping at a Subaru store is most certainly looking for AWD, so this apples-to-apples would have been a better comparison IMO.

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    But Lordy, the Magnum is a monster muthah! Is there really a comparison from a driver's perspective? I would think the Legacy would be so much more pleasant to really drive.

    Or am I not in step with the average consumer here?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They so far as admit the Legacy handles better and is more fun to drive. I think they bought into the Hemi marketing hype.

  • 1997montez341997montez34 NJ, USAPosts: 202
    Well, after driving both the turbo Legacy and Magnum RT there is no question which is more fun to drive. It has nothing to do with marketing hype.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Big cars are less fun, we simply don't agree about that one.

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Ahhhh, but we do!

    Compacts are where it's at.
  • npaladin2000npaladin2000 Posts: 593
    Yeah, that kinda demonstrates how things work in the US vs. other countries.

    Other countries you get a compact with tight suspension, direct steering, and good power. Takes some skill but lots of fun. Pretty much any import manufacturer makes a sport compact. American companies started doing it too, because no one outside the US wants a Camaro.

    In the US, car companies market V8s with marshmallow suspensions, slushy sticks, and wiggly wheels, and call it "performance." Absolutely no skill required. Just glue a rocket to your tail and light it. Just try not to do anything like turn or brake. ;) Thus is the legacy of the Camaro, GTO, Mustang, and Charger.

    The thing is, once you've drived one of the import sporties, it's hard to go back to one of those straight-line, hum-drum tail-rockets. :) Trust me, it's a religious experience realizing what's SUPPOSED to happen when you take a turn fast. :)
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