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  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    "Synthetic oils are superior" - wow - this is the same blanket statement that the oil guys had to scrap in an ad campaign during the early 2000s because legal and compliance killed it because it wasn't scientific proof. (How do I know this, well the wife worked on Castros campaign)

    Most normal drivers will never get the benefit of synthetic - track guys, like flight would .- and cars that mandate it for warranty I wouldn't mess with a switch.

    I like synthetics because the longer change periods - so does bmw look at all the free maintence they are giving away- once every 10-12k on each car-

    Drive like you Like

  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    edited March 2013
    Synthetic are superior on paper, BUT, that one problem is really a giant one, potentially, as it conflicts with the #1 goal of oil, which is to keep the machine from self-destructing. And Americans are unfortunately not the brightest motorists when it comes to maintaining their vehicles. Some of us are, but a whole lot do do things like let their car go a year between changes.

    Most people could run normal cheaper oils and see no difference, though. You're absolutely right on that.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    So the real advantage of synthetics is to help laziness- got it
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    And of course, the oil companies pockets. :)

    Just, don't be *too* lazy about oil changes since synthetic does still need to be changed.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The additives are different from brand to brand and dino vs. synthetic

    I use dino oil in my Volvo and BMW, and synthetic (with high ZDDP) in my Porsche.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,178
    It was a short info article really about the expanded 3 serie esel-new-york-auto-show/1988237/s line up that is coming read it article

    I will not be making it to the NY Auto, I'm dealing with some family issues right now. So anyone going, I would love to hear about the new Wagon and the GT...
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    A reporter would like to talk to someone under the age of 30 who bought a car within the last few months. Please reach out to [email protected] by Wednesday, March 20, 2013 if you'd like to help.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    Wrong forum Steve most of the dudes on this forum are 40+ Haven't driven a manual year
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,192
    Haven't driven a manual year

    I'm sure that was supposed to mean something sensible. :blush:
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    A manual in years - p
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    See? Our minds are going already. We're all a bunch of guys sitting on our porches who rattle on about crud nobody really cares about. :P

    (note - it is actually quite difficult to find this forum as a first time visitor to the site.)
  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 11,436
    I go to the web site BIMMERFEST.COM fairly regularly.

    Mostly, there are quite a few people who are knowledgeable about the cars and don't mind sharing and discussing the cars.

    Then, there are people like this.....

    Originally Posted by Nepal
    There is no " status symbol" as a BMW owner in SolCa anymore. 3 series all over the street, 95% of them are 328 of course.

    I know bunch of young kids make just $40,000~$50,000 a year, still live with their parents, and leasing 3 series for whatever reasons.
    You and I are rich people. We live in rich neighborhoods. We socialize with rich people.

    BMW is a status symbol to the 98% of the population that can't afford such a luxury. Young kids, cleaning girls, and other convenient cliches you see driving $50,000 luxury cars don't live there.


    I am numb that these type of people even exist, but they do, unfortunately!
    2018 Acura TLX 3.5 SH AWD A-SPEC
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,341
    Whereas, I hope to have a couple of young kids making $40,000-$50,000 a year that let their father still live with them!

    SolCa?, Spanish for Sunny CA, sort of, I guess.

    "You and I are rich people. We live in rich neighborhoods. We socialize with rich people." Should we let them eat cake, Marie?

    My guess, a rich kid living off his parents. Lucky him.

    Me? My name is Elmer Fudd. I am a miwionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    Must be the "backwards hat" crowd you referenced before going to Siberia for a few weeks. Who cares - BMW and others have low lease rates- this allows the crowd you hate to get the same emblem you drive - it's been going on for 20 years - times change
  • jpp75jpp75 DenverPosts: 1,388
    It's all about perspective, I'm probably old enough to be your son but financially I'm more conservative than most my age. Just because you can afford the payment doesn't mean you can afford it.....and just because you are "liquid" (assets>liabilities) doesn't mean you are financially sound.

    Our society views debt as "normal" but I don't/won't consider myself wealthy until I own everything free and clear.
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    I'm sure that the BMW-owning contributors to this forum own, and drive, them to appreciate the fine German engineering, superb build quality and all-round excellent driving experience; not as status symbols to demonstrate wealth or superiority.

    Obviously these youngsters in SolCa (sic) are merely emulating their elders (?) and betters (?) here on Edmunds.

    Here in the UK the BMW 3-series range outsells the Ford Mondeo range, (last time I checked). So, want exclusivity ? Buy a Mondeo. ;)

    Me ? I'll wait 'til I can afford a new Rolls Royce Wraith or Bentley Mulsanne, although it might be a long wait - in which case it will probably be another Skoda, (a better-built and cheaper VW/Audi). :shades:
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,314
    I spent a good deal of my adult life coming up with reasons not to buy a BMW--not worth the asking price, snotty, pretentious owners, not good in snow etc etc. I finally succumbed when I stopped by a local independent reseller/service center and saw low mileage E39 Fivers going for about the cost of a loaded CamCord. I'd driven enough Bimmers to know they were very sweet to drive and I'd known enough owners to know they were well-made so I swallowed my reservations and acquired a 44K mile 528iA. I still have it 8 years and 100K miles later and I've since bought a 77K mile 330Ci Cabrio.

    The real BMW enthusiasts aren't the swells running around in leased M3s, they're the guys like me running old but quite serviceable cars and enjoying them because they're well-made and great to drive in a way that your average FWD sedan could never be. There are a lot of us, just look around you and have a look at what they're saying at

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,442
    the only reason I ever came up with was not making enough money to afford it.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,567
    edited March 2013
    . . . it will probably be another Skoda, (a better-built and cheaper VW/Audi).

    Nice car! When I was in Europe on business a few years ago, I rented a Skoda diesel and drove it over 1800 miles through Germany, Austria & Switzerland--yet another fine car that will never be sold in North America.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,314
    edited March 2013
    the only reason I ever came up with was not making enough money to afford it.

    I guess I didn't make my point clearly. If you buy them right (i.e. pre-owned) good BMWs cost no more than ordinary cars and being very well-made do not cost a lot to maintain provided you stay out of the dealerships and do your servicing at an independent specialist.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 11,436
    Andy....I think you are among the majority.

    It's a very small minority, but some (like the person I quoted) believe their good fortune of being the product from a very comfortable family allows them to have a priviliged attitude.

    I thought we fought a war in the late 1700s to break away from people who thought that way?

    Anyway, that attitude embarrasses me as one who likes BMW's, too.
    2018 Acura TLX 3.5 SH AWD A-SPEC
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,178
    Grapghic, I had a good laugh at what you wrote, and the Movie "Pretty in Pink" came to mind, perfect back drop of the "entitled people." On a side note, I went to school with people who had this attitude, on their 16th Bday went and picked out a new BMW 320i. At that time in my life, BMW's weren't hot on my list of cars.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    After you satisfy your college loans - you qualify to buy a used BMW. Leasing any car while you still owe on your education loans is hypocritical. ;)
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,178
    Interesting comment.... "After you satisfy your college loans - you qualify to buy a used BMW. Leasing any car while you still owe on your education loans is hypocritical."

    Why does one have to wait 25 yrs to buy a used BMW just because they have student loans? If this was true, then every Dr I know would still be driving their car from med school today, while they are earning a nice 6 figure a year income. Now granted, if you have a college grad you is making 30K/yr, with student loans, they should not be looking to buy any car at this time...
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 5,451
    And how many doctors file for bankruptcy? As far as I heard, doctors are just terrible business and finance people (not all of course, but as a social group). Buying/leasing expensive vehicle while $100K+ in debt is exactly an example one could give to confirm this opinion.

    25 years of paying off student loans is entirely matter of choices made in this country. It is the order of items they decided to pay and acquire that made them paying student loans in 25 years. I know plenty of people who came out of NOTHING, had tens of thousands in student loans and were free of them within 5-10 years of graduation. It is doable, all it takes is NOT TO BUY STUFF.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 120,532
    It is doable, all it takes is NOT TO BUY STUFF.

    Are you sure you passed the test? That seems un-American... ;)

    Did you get a good deal? Be sure to come back and share!

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  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 5,451
    I was hiding my true feelings. ;)

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,567
    . . . all it takes is NOT TO BUY STUFF.

    Very true, but many people figure that if it's good enough for the government, it's good enough for them -- spend as if there's no tomorrow.

    The morons (like me) who do things responsibly nearly always end up paying for those who don't. Even/especially at work (Fortune 100 company) I've seen this stuff happen. My budgets that were in great shape in September get cut to zero so that the politicians (works every time it's tried) who have run out of money could get to the end of the year.

    Sink or swim was what got this country to where it was a few decades ago. It remains to be seen what the new approach will yield. The good news is that I'll be dead before it plays out.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,863
    I concur. A husband and wife in our group fo friends are physicians. They just paid off their student loans from med school after almost 20 years. They live in a nice but not ostentatious home. She drives a Sienna and he an A4. They live well below their means and are now saving to pay for two more college educations.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,442
    just because you have some student loans doesn't mean you have to live like a pauper or drive a junker.

    My son is about to graduate, and will have some (but not exorbitant) student loan debt. If (please!) he gets a job soon, we will have to do something about a car, because I don't really want to send him away to depend on the well used old one if he is depending on it to commute.

    so, a lease may make the most sense, since there won't be any money left really to put down on something decent, and you would still need a large loan.

    so, the student loan will be just 1 more monthly obligation in 9 months when they start, though putting extra toward it will likely make a lot of sense, depending on the interest rate.

    Still, getting started in life, as long as the payments are not a problem, no reason not to live a normal life.

    Now, my nephew the intern, I think he has close to 300K by now piled up (200?) In any case, I told him to just budget it like a 2nd mortgage!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

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