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  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    stickguy said:

    quite a change there, but whatever makes you happy. Probably won't be around long anyway.

    bummer about your car, but in this case, for the best. I have had a few over the years where if they spontaneously burst into flames (while not parked in my garage of course) it would have not broken my heart.

    Tough budget for something like an E63 though. Sure you want something that old or high miles?

    I've been looking into the E55/63 cars as well as the E39 E60 M5's. Most cars have had the major issues taken care of and each car listed has a few, the engine and transmission of the MB have been pretty much bullet proof prices are all over the place on them. I'm aware of the engine issues of the E60 M5, to fix the issue before the bearings go bad is about 3K, and the Vanoas seals would need to be replaced, that is the two issues with the V10. The E60 M5's with the fixes would run me about 25K (that includes the car.) I have at least a month before I need to purchase a car.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    circlew said:
    it's amazing the prices for these cars.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,658
    I think the anticipated repairs/maintenance would eclipse the price of the car in 3 - 5 years.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    circlew said:

    I think the anticipated repairs/maintenance would eclipse the price of the car in 3 - 5 years.

    There is no doubt this is the problem, but having spoken to a couple of owners of these cars and pricing out fixes those issues can be taken care, the bearing issue is a 3K job, the vanoas seals another $2500, yes, the SMG pump is a problem, but it's not the same as if the bearings going out.

    The price of the car, plus those two items would still come in under my 25K budget. And I'll have a car that will run with most cars.
  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXPosts: 2,466
    I would imagine that you would really enjoy driving and being seen in that car. But I'm not so sure that actually owning it would be the same kind of pleasure. 10 years old, immensely complicated German machinery, ...

    Hard to say, but sounds like a really big gamble to me. On the other hand, it is beautiful, and very unusual, and probably a LOT of fun to drive ...
    2018 Ford F150 XLT Crew Cab, 2016 Chrysler Town & Country Touring
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,047

    circlew said:

    I think the anticipated repairs/maintenance would eclipse the price of the car in 3 - 5 years.

    There is no doubt this is the problem, but having spoken to a couple of owners of these cars and pricing out fixes those issues can be taken care, the bearing issue is a 3K job, the vanoas seals another $2500, yes, the SMG pump is a problem, but it's not the same as if the bearings going out.

    The price of the car, plus those two items would still come in under my 25K budget. And I'll have a car that will run with most cars.
    A recent issue of the British magazine BMW CAR had a story on a company that is rebuilding SMG pumps. The rebuilt units offer a significant savings.

    You've done you homework, so if you find an M5 or M6 that floats your boat I'd say go for it. I bought a four year old M6 back in 1992 and my only regret is that I sold it.

    I feel sorry for the risk-averse drones who sentence themselves to driving anodyne appliances.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    henryn said:

    I would imagine that you would really enjoy driving and being seen in that car. But I'm not so sure that actually owning it would be the same kind of pleasure. 10 years old, immensely complicated German machinery, ...

    Hard to say, but sounds like a really big gamble to me. On the other hand, it is beautiful, and very unusual, and probably a LOT of fun to drive ...

    I think when you go and purchase a used M car or AMG car you need to do your homework, that I have done. Other then the items I have mentioned there are no real issue with the car, yes, keeping up on maintenance is important, but commute has been cut to 12 miles RT. I don't find myself needlessly driving around like I did when I was younger, so miles aren't going to rack up on me. But to own a sports sedan with a V10 is hard to pass up.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177


    A recent issue of the British magazine BMW CAR had a story on a company that is rebuilding SMG pumps. The rebuilt units offer a significant savings.

    You've done you homework, so if you find an M5 or M6 that floats your boat I'd say go for it. I bought a four year old M6 back in 1992 and my only regret is that I sold it.

    I feel sorry for the risk-averse drones who sentence themselves to driving anodyne appliances.

    I heard about that company also, I have to give a shout out to the local BMW group they have been a wealth of info on the V10, also there is a service manager for one of the larger indie BMW shops has given me ideas and prices. BTW you still working at the BMW dealer?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,047
    edited November 2018
    No; but it was an amicable parting- in fact just last week the same dealer gave me a screaming deal on a CPO E84 X1 M Sport.
    I can still get info if you need it.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177

    No; but it was an amicable parting- in fact just last week the same dealer gave me a screaming deal on a CPO E84 X1 M Sport.
    I can still get info if you need it.

    which E84? turbo 6?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 12,047
    N20; it's my wife's new DD.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,292
    edited December 2018
    ELL sales for Nov....

    C-Class 5,777 -3.7%
    ES 4,222 +8%
    3series 3,218 -47.9%
    Q50 2,819 -34.3%
    TLX 2,457 -4.2%
    IS 1,830 -25.5%
    A4 1,635 -45%
    MKZ 1,440 -25.7%
    Giulia 912 +21%
    S60 688 -14.9%
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 2,551
    With the sedan market in a downfall, the TLX held up pretty well. I don’t see the appeal of the ES. It gets expensive fast when equipped nicely and that front end styling!

    2010 Pilot EXL-RES, 2013 Accord EX, 2006 Acura TL/Nav

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,052
    I assume the S60 will take a big uptick in a couple months when the new design hits the lots. There are next to no new 2018s left now.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,052
    and holy moley, they 3 series has really hit the skids. that used to sell a ton more.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    stickguy said:

    I assume the S60 will take a big uptick in a couple months when the new design hits the lots. There are next to no new 2018s left now.

    They are on the lots now.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    stickguy said:

    and holy moley, they 3 series has really hit the skids. that used to sell a ton more.

    The new G20 is coming and people are waiting for them,
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,052
    I’d rather take a blow out lease on a 2018. But I’m cheap!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    stickguy said:

    I’d rather take a blow out lease on a 2018. But I’m cheap!

    Most people would, but the G20 has taken the 3 series to a new level, the M340i will be nipping at the read end of the M3, but the downside is the G20 will not get a manuel.
    But right now BMW is offering 3K lease money but the MF is high. My 330i was 47K which is about average for what is on the lots right now, Getting roughly 10% off MSRP you will be looking at mid to high $400/m before tax
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    This guy has some great videos, here is another one.

  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    So after some "talks" with my insurance company they have decided to total my 330i, total repair cost is $17K at first they weren't going to total but gave me an early XMAS present. I think I have narrow my choice to a MB E63. Have driven 2 of them, gob's of power/torque the seats are uber comfortable too, the V8 rumble is addictive!
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 5,211
    benjaminh said:

    ELL sales for Nov....

    C-Class 5,777 -3.7%
    ES 4,222 +8%
    3series 3,218 -47.9%
    Q50 2,819 -34.3%
    TLX 2,457 -4.2%
    IS 1,830 -25.5%
    A4 1,635 -45%
    MKZ 1,440 -25.7%
    Giulia 912 +21%
    S60 688 -14.9%

    There is excellent lease cash on 2018 Q50's. I see a ton of them on the roads in the NYC area. 5k to over 7k in lease cash . A nice lease buy.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXPosts: 2,466
    brian125 said:



    There is excellent lease cash on 2018 Q50's. I see a ton of them on the roads in the NYC area. 5k to over 7k in lease cash . A nice lease buy.

    I’m definitely not seeing that. I just checked the web page for the closest Infiniti dealer. They have a lease special up for a 2019 Infiniti Q50 3.0t Luxe -- $299 a month for 39 months (no mention of miles), with $5,099 due at signing. $5,099 divided by 39, that’s another $131 a month, so for a sign-and-drive you’re looking at $430 per month against a retail price of $39,295. And that does not include tax, title, and license.


    2018 Ford F150 XLT Crew Cab, 2016 Chrysler Town & Country Touring
  • flightnurseflightnurse Valley of HellPosts: 2,177
    henryn said:


    I’m definitely not seeing that. I just checked the web page for the closest Infiniti dealer. They have a lease special up for a 2019 Infiniti Q50 3.0t Luxe -- $299 a month for 39 months (no mention of miles), with $5,099 due at signing. $5,099 divided by 39, that’s another $131 a month, so for a sign-and-drive you’re looking at $430 per month against a retail price of $39,295. And that does not include tax, title, and license.


    Why are you taking what the manufacture post as the final deal? BMW does this all the time and you can ALWAYS get a better deal at the dealership than what the web page shows.
  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXPosts: 2,466



    Why are you taking what the manufacture post as the final deal? BMW does this all the time and you can ALWAYS get a better deal at the dealership than what the web page shows.

    That wasn't the manufacturer (Infiniti), that was the closest Infiniti dealer, on their web site. They had some decent deals on buying a new car or SUV, but terrible deals on leasing. Possibly because no one (or almost no one?) leases a car in Texas?

    I work with a lot of people who make good money (in some cases, great money), and some of them drive very nice cars. Probably half of them drive older or less expensive cars, and spend all of their money on other things, houses, college tuition, you know the drill.

    But among the "car" group, I only know of one who is leasing, a very nice Lexus SUV. And at the time she got that SUV, she was dating someone who worked at the dealership.
    2018 Ford F150 XLT Crew Cab, 2016 Chrysler Town & Country Touring
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,307
    ELLPS - 2013 s4 (8.5) 49k miles. All good with rig (Knock on wood). 19 3 series looks legit but bang for buck the G70 looks like it might be the king here. Price and warrantee real nice - performs like a nice gt car and the looks are spectacular. Long live the sedan.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 674
    I hate the 4 bangers with breathers on top. At these insane prices for tiny tin pots, I want 6s. I miss my 2004 bmw flat 6... but not the car. Thank god I got out of that mistake.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 116,585
    ksoman said:

    I hate the 4 bangers with breathers on top. At these insane prices for tiny tin pots, I want 6s. I miss my 2004 bmw flat 6... but not the car. Thank god I got out of that mistake.

    Straight six, not flat six (Flat six would be a Porsche)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,603
    ksoman said:

    I hate the 4 bangers with breathers on top. At these insane prices for tiny tin pots, I want 6s. I miss my 2004 bmw flat 6... but not the car. Thank god I got out of that mistake.

    OH, totally. Give me a V6 Dodge Journey over a lowly boosted 4-cyl GLA45 any day!

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

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