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Ferrari-the Ultimate classic (Ferrari Lovefest Topic)

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    Since it's the same chassis as the SWB you could presumably put in the more powerful engine from it and bolt in uprated springs, shocks and brakes if needed.

    A few Lussos were even raced, I've seen pix.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,815
    Well the race versions had 6 carbs and no doubt a much higher state of tune. Not a car you'd want to drive on the street. Actually a Lusso isn't "bad" on speed, probably 0-60 in the low 7s, but I think even my Alfa sedan could beat it.

    Probably a nice 4-cam engine from a 275GTB/4 would do the trick.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    than the steel bodied SWB? or more weight? or both? You wouldn't think more weight since it had no power anything, a/c or other weight adding,
    power robbing accessories.

    Meanwhile back at the ranch. Autoweeek chimes in on the 612 Scaglietti, ging it a rave review, callin it a "real Ferrari" and noting that it feels plenty fast despite being the biggest car ever made in Maranello.

    The article is not online yet but some nice photos in different colors are, scroll down, look for link to 612 gallery halfway down on right...

     http://www.autoweek.com/

    The Scaglietti seems to wear all colors well, so far I like silver the best but I'd like to see it
    in a very dark color (Nero).

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Love that Rosso Rubino. I heard Sergio Pininfarina say once that "It's all in the proportions." They sure got it right with this car.

    Andys120, what's happening up your way for car events. Did I miss the vintage weekend at Loudon?

    Tom
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    Tutto Italiano! Dang! I'll be out of town, won't be able to do either :^(.

    Dunno why it's early this year.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • jsb16jsb16 Posts: 64
    I thought I saw one of these in blue in the mid 1980's although i was talking to a Jalpa owner today (who also owned Ferrari's in the past) and he said that no factory 4 door has ever been made. Anyone know if Ferrari made such a vehicle because I otherwise was dreaming something or someone chopped up an otherwise stock GT Ferrari.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,815
    Here's a photo! I had to paste it into the address bar to see it.

    http://hk.geocities.com/ch_ferrari_2/other_ferrari/1997_ferrari_4- - 56_4door-1.jpg

    But of course it's a chop.

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Nope. There are a couple of one-off customs, but the factory has never made a four door.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    The disguised panels almost look like they're heat or fire damaged. I wonder if they're connected to the recent fire at the factory. My guess is that this is a drive train mule and the ultimate car will look quite different. A lot of people are complaining about Ferrari's (Pininfarina) conservative styling. I wonder if eventually this car will take more cues from the Enzo than from the current 360.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,815
    It's so painful! I went to Anthony's Auto Body in San Rafael in California and 3 new Ferraris are getting banged out as we speak.

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    And if you think fixing mechanicals on a Ferrari is expensive, you don't want to know what body work costs. Owning the car is one thing, driving it safely is another. Unfortunately I know several owners who think that because the car goes that fast, they can control it. Or, they think they're Michael Schumacher!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,815
    I don't know what the hell these people are doing wrong, but my god man, get thee to a driving school! Ouch!

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  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    It looks as if this topic has been dormant for a while.

    Tsaupe, where are you? It's summertime right now and I'm just curious to know how you and your Ferraris are handling the humid NE weather we have now.

    Oh yeah, and Tsaupe, if you're still around, what model(s) of Lotus did you own years ago?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    Jros is right, it's time to wake-up this topic. It's not as if there's nothing going on in the world of Ferrari.

    The death of Umberto Agnelli likely portends a shift away from the Agnelli family for effective control of the Fiat empire. Executive shuffling has upped Ferrari's Luca DiMontemezolo to the helm of Fiat Auto division while Jean Todt becomes the CEO of Ferrari-Maserati.

    If Todt's as successful at Ferrari cars as he's been, Ferrari's future is assured. I don't mind telling you I'm a little concerned about the amount of competition Ferrari faces from Aston-Martin, Lamborghini and Porsche. Todt's success at bringing the Scuderia to the unchallenged forefront of F1 has created an excellent addition to the record of Ferrari in racing that enhances the image of the road cars.

    Apparently Todt will continue to oversee Ferrari F1. One might hope that Ferrari will expand there racing efforts to include endurance racing and other forms of motorsport but I'm afraid the costs of F1 racing are sufficiently high to preclude that.

    Ferrari sales continue to be strong worldwide as they expand into China which just got their first Ferrari dealership. I believe Schumacher's success has given a shot in the arm to Ferrari sales in the German market. Forza Magazine reports an 18 month waiting list in the USA for the new 612 Scaglietti.

    I believe Maseratis are selling well in the US as well, particularly Spyders. Has anyone heard how the Quattroporte is doing? IMO that's a terrific looking car but I'm afraid most Americans are going to think "Buick" when they see those portholes. The US. distributor would be smart to lobby to have them replaced by louvers or slots.

    In other news, Audi AG, which controls Lamborghini and Bentley has signed a technical agreement with Ferrari-Maserati. No one's quite sure what this means but it does give VAG a relationship with every high-performance Italian nameplate except perhaps Alfa.

    Speaking of Forza, the August issue features a good road test of the 612. You won't be surprised to hear they loved it but read it anyway. They articulate very well what's exciting about this seemingly most sedate of Ferraris.

    I'm really anxious to see one of them. The headlights look a little small in some photos but in others they look perfect. Anyone seen one?

    Forza, like some others thinks the tail of the 612 is "plain", I disagree. If it doesn't quite match the Daytona, it's still a nice tushy. I think the 612 Scaglietti is the one modern Ferrari that recaptures the glorious elegance of past PF/Ferrari styling and it does it without appearing "retro".

    Tsaupe will enjoy the accompanying article about the 250GTE(2+2). It's one of the few that gives the first "mass production" Ferrari credit for it's role in the development of the company and providing the wherewithal for racing victories in the 60's. Tsaupe, there's also a good article about an extensive restoration on a Dino 308GT4.

    Talk to me guys.

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    It's nice to see some activity back on the board. Sorry, it's been a busy summer of driving and I did the Barber 3 days race school as well. Going back for the 2 day advanced course in August. Oh, yes, there's work, too. Anyway, Jrosmac, I've sold the GT4 so we're down to one Ferrari. Hopefully this sorrowful condition will be remedied soon. My broker is looking for a 365 GT/C4 for me. It will take a while to find one that is completely "right," but I'm in no hurry.

    The 328 is running strong and we're not sparing the miles as it is scheduled for its 50K major this winter. As a matter of fact we're off to the Hartford Councours Tomorrow AM. There should be some amazing ferraris there. For those who are unfamiliar, this is the largest all Ferrari gathering in the Northeast. Andys120, the 612 will be there.

    I've already poured over this month's Forza. I love the 2=2's and think they deserve much more recognition than they receive. The 250 GTE is a particularly sweet car, as is the 330. Hell, I ev3en like the twin headlight version. And the GT4 article made me pine to have mine back.

    Regarding Lotuses (Loti?) I had a '63 Elan Drophead and a '72 Elan +2S. Both were great fun to drive. Especially on those rare occasions where the not only got you where you were going but got you home as well. They are the best handling cars I have ever driven and the most frustratingly unreliable machines I've ever owned. I've had other British cars including a Mk IX Jag Saloon. The Lotuses made it seem as reliable as a Toyota!

    The only car I ever owned which was worse was a Corvair rust bucket that had about 300K miles on it when it came into our possession.

    Hey, weren't you just in Europe? How was the trip?

    I think that Ferrari will be in very good hands with Todt, and from what I understand from some of my Italian friends, Luca won't be giving up 100% control. Yes, they face stiffer competition, but they always have and will, no doubt, weather this storm as well. The new Lambos are great but already have a reputation fgor problems. can you imagine paying 300K for a Murcielago, driving it once and then having it spend three months in the shop having a new transmission installed and all the other electronic bugs worked out? I've seen it with my own eyes. that's not going to help them at all.

    I don't think Aston has the marketability in this country. For one thing,they suffer (rightly or not) from the English reputation. they're great cars, but I don't think tghey have the recognition factor in this country.

    Anyway, I have to get some sleep. I'm up at 6Am to wash the car and detail it for tomorrow.

    I'll let you all know what went on at the show.

    Tom
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Hello Tsaupe-

    Yes, I did indeed spend a semester in Europe. I studied in London from Sept. 1 until Dec. 19, then headed back to the good old U.S. of A. While in London, I got to see some amazing sights, such as Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, Trafalgar Square, and a host of many others. Since my program (Boston U.) required that each student partake in an internship, I worked four days a week at a legal aid firm in Soho with British solicitors. It was pretty awesome.

    I did a lot of traveling while in Europe too- unfortunately, I hate to disappoint you, Tsaupe, but I was unable to make it to Italy. My friend from school was studying in Rome that same semester and she told me a story about how she was pickpocketed twice; first in Florence and then in Genoa. It appears as if Italy is notorious for petty crime.

    The countries that I did end up going to included Scotland, Wales, Spain, Sweden, and Ireland. In Sweden I stayed in Gothenburg, home of the Volvo factory, and traveled to Trollhattan, where Saab is headquartered. I ended up going to Ireland three separate times because I loved it so much. If you ever have the chance, do go to Eire, especially Galway, as it is rapidly becoming a major city of the island.

    I do hope the show in Hartford went well. Also of note: I saw an immacualte-looking 400i two weeks ago with VT plates. It was hard to believe, considering it was never certified for U.S. sale. I don't know too much about the model so someone will have to help me out here.

    Oh yeah, Tsaupe, is Paxton, MA anywhere near Waltham? Going down there next month to see a friend who is at Bentley College...

    I also saw the new Saab 9-2X in person this weekend at a local dealership. It would be a car right up your alley.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Did you guys watch the F1 action earlier today? Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari...

    M
  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Hartford was great. Perfect weather and we were parked directly across from a vendors booth who had the race on tv. Couldn't ask for anything better. Along with the usual suspects there was an F50, F40, Enzo and 288 GTO in the modern cars.

    As this event featured 2+2s there were several 330s, 365s and a gorgeous 250 GTE. Also a mid 50's 250 spyder, the precursor of the California, a 51(?) 250 Boano and a beautiful Lusso. It was a great event. The kids from the Children's Hospital that the event benefits were there getting rides, sitting in the cars a collecting free Ferrari loot. That's really what makes Hartford so special.

    Down side? Well, Linda was under the weather and slept in a chair next to the car for most of the day, and I have a sunburn to beat the band.

    Jrosasmc, glad to hear you enjoyed Europe. The British Isles are beautiful. Waltham is about an hour from me, but let me know when you're going to be there and perhaps we could meet in Weston at the shop that works on my car.

    FYI the 365 & 400i, of which there were several at the show this weekend, was a forerunner of the 456. A full four seater with a V12 and auto transmission option. I think they look great and owners tell me they are fantastic to drive. Unfortunately they suffer from the Ferrari "big car" stigma as far as price is concerned. Too big and too many seats to fit most people's image of an Fcar, with the same maintenance bills as the more exotic cars. That V12 is basically the same one that's in the Daytona. Therefore the prices are deflated which puts them into the realm of cars a lot of people can afford but then can't afford to maintain.

    Merc1, great race, but I was appalled at how long it took them to get to Ralf. That's just unacceptable. The Montoya fiasco was another black eye for the FIA and F1. But the results are great!
  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Weather permitting I'll be taking the car up to the Alfa Owners Club Italian Car Show in New Hampshire this Sunday. Last year was very nice and I think the Ferraris out numbered the Alfas. The show is part of the High Hopes weekend to benefit sick kids, so it's worth while attending. There are also balloon rides and a Carnival. Hope to see you NH folks there!
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Where exactly in NH will the Alfa show be, and do you know the times?
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Oh yeah, Tsaupe, is the show going to be on a Saturday too?
  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    I had to go look it up. It's this Sunday the 27th, 10 to 3 PM. It takes place at Chappell's Grandview Farm in Milford, NH. You can find directions on the Alfa Owners of New England site, or do a web search for High Hope Car Show.

    Jrosasmc, let me know if you're going, it would be nice to meet up and have a face to go with the name. Same for you, Andys120.
  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Nope, just Sunday. If you make it there, mine is the Nero Metallico 328 with the full red Schedoni interior, Mass plates.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Yeah, I checked my schedule...I unfortunately will not be able to make the NH show, as I am playing in a golf tournament on Sunday with my father.

    Oh yeah, while we're on the subject, were the Ferrari 512 TRs of the early '90s the exact same car as the Testarossas?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    TR is used as a shorthand for the official name "Testarossa".

    I will try to make it Sunday, Tom.

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  • tsaupe1tsaupe1 Posts: 166
    Looking forward to meeting you, andys120, another time jrosasmc.

    the 512 tr is the last iteration of the Tessarossa. Larger engine, alot more power, and some refinements to the body. The improvements were much needed, as the car was becoming long in the tooth. the 512s have really held their value because of them.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,727
    Tsaupe, our resident Ferrari owner was indeed at the Italian Car show in Milford, NH, we did meet and he surprised me with a ride in his beautiful black 328 GTS. You can tell even from the passenger seat what a wonderfully responsive automobile it is. BTW, although it corners flat as can be and feels very firmly planted on the road, the car rides very well, even on the busted up streets of an old New England town. The ride felt closer to my A4 than to my old '86 5 liter Mustang convertible

    Molto Grazie! it was a great experience. After more than 3 hours I'm still buzzin' and sparking inside. I'm now convinced that they make Ferraris in Italy because there are no words
    in English for the sheer wonderfulness of Ferrari cars.

    Thanks again, Tom.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

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