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Ford Mustang (2004 and earlier)



  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    As you surmise, it's a dealer package.

    The only factory-made V6 special edition for the 99-04s was the "pony package", which provided special trim, wheels and a very odd tape graphic of running horses... ;)

    Try to find out what dealer the car originally came from, and you can call and discuss with them.

    What color is she? What are the special options?
  • sundownersundowner Posts: 6
    :) She is torch red, wheel upgrade, white leather interior, white convertible top, chrome wheel well accents and the doors seem to be a different style. I ran a Carfax on it and it came out of California - any idea how I can track down the dealer? There is photo of her on my CarSpace page (I'm new here but I think you can get there from here.) It says Sundowner on the rear panel - that's what confused me - it doesn't seem to be a sticker - it's under the clear coat. Thank you so much for your reply.
  • sundownersundowner Posts: 6
    Oops sorry, I think I posted a new message rather than response to your reply. Looks at post 1941. :blush:
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Looks like you have a "deluxe" or "premium" level Mustang (the wheels are a giveaway) with some dealer-added items. The rub strip on the door was a common dealer addition on V6 Mustangs of the time.

    Interesting about the "Sundowner" logo. That's not a Ford designation, so the factory wouldn't have put it on. The dealer must have gone to a lot of trouble to professionally install it.

    Manual or automatic? Anything different about the interior?
  • sundownersundowner Posts: 6
    I wondered if the wheels were aftermarket put on by the 1st owner or not... Good to know. Also about the rub strip. It is automatic. The interior is white leather? with the mustang emblem stitched into them. Otherwise nothing remarkable about the seats that I can see. What were some of the other upgrades offered by the dealers in 2002 - do you know? Any suggestions on other things I could look for to see what makes it unique? According to Carfax the car came out of Burlingame California. But it's possible the dealer is no longer in business. I did find one old dealership in Burlingame - but they have no phone listing that I can find and no web listing.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    The stitched ponies on the seatbacks came that year on all Mustangs with the exception the base V6 version.

    Dealer upgrades can be any and all things, but usually take the form of different wheels, trim elements and exterior graphics. It's rare these days for dealers to offer performance mods.

    As far for other dealer-added stuff you might have, if you have anything made of metal/metal colored in the interior, it's from the dealer...Mustangs from the factory are heavy on the monochrome plastic. :(
  • sundownersundowner Posts: 6
    Wow, you have been the most helpful person I have found so far on information. Thank you so much. Are you a Ford Dealer or just a buff? :shades:

    The interior has no other upgrades that I can see. They did upgrade the stereo but otherwise it seems to be factory.

    I called Ford but they were limited as to what information they had on it. :cry: I would love to find out what the promotion was or whatever made them upgrade it to the point they did - I found out from Carfax that the original owner was a rental car company (I'm the 2nd owner) and that it was shipped to a dealer in Burlingame California with 5 miles on it. But the only Ford dealer I could find in Burlingame California is no longer in business. Any suggestions on where else I could get more info whatever the promotion was? It seems unusual to put so many upgrades on a car intended to be used as a rental.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Nope, just a fan. I have a dark blue '02 GT myself. :)

    Yeah, not surprised that Ford was unhelpful. I've had trouble even getting them to even answer the phone, much less provide useful information.

    Sounds like the original owner was hoping to develop a unique rental that he hoped would stand out in the pack. It's impressive that they went to such trouble to apply the "sundowner" logo correctly...most places would have just slapped a sticker on it.

    In any event, looks like your car may have been a one-off sort of thing. You might want to try posting on some Mustang fan sites...stangnet (dot) com is a good place with people who have scary amounts of knowledge about Mustangs...

    So enjoy having a unique, probably one-of-a-kind Mustang. Red convertible with a white interior is a classic Mustang combination, and the white leather interior was particularly rare for that year as well.
  • sundownersundowner Posts: 6
    Well Thank you so much. Your responses have been a ton of help and have given so much more to research. :) I just love it. My husband and I have been thinking about joining one of the local Mustang clubs and he's actually looking at the 07 Cobra V6 for himself. I kind of hate hearing that my car was a rental car though :( - but hey I still think she's a beauty. Thanks again.
  • Has anyone else had the (what appears to be a clear coat) peeling off of their headlite assy.'s? Mine have started to peel away in circular spots near the right side side marker area, and it looks like scratch lines are forming under/in the thin (clear)coating on the other side.Mine is an '04 GT PREMIUM and is parked in a garage all day 5 days a week since new in 7/04.Dealer agreed to replace them under warranty, otherwise they look like new, no hazing, etc.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    Hmmm...first I've ever heard of this. The 94-98 headlights are known to haze over, but this is the first problem I've heard with the 99-04's.

    My lights have a little pitting from road debris, but nothing like you describe. Did you maybe get some sort of chemical solvent on them, perhaps during detailing?
  • No, but I do like to wax them with pure liquid carnauba wax, this should protect rather than hurt them.I did speak to a manager of maroone chevrolet's body shop and he said it sounded like a defect, but he had not seen them.I have seen some of the later model stang headlites badly hazed from the brutal florida sun, and the dealer keeps them in stock.They list at around $150.00 a pop too.thanks for the reply though.
  • Took my '04 GT in, spoke to the service director, he admits he has seen the peeling headlite problem before.They replaced both under warranty, but the right side looks like it has cigarette smoke rising inside it, (1"wide area)obviously a defective service part, I'll be back there soon for it's replacement.Service invoice showed they were around 90.00 each at "warranty" pricing. :shades:
  • I have a 1998 Mustang convertible. The bolt (I'm guessing it was a bolt) that attached the hydraulic arm to the rest of the roof assembly came out. To raise the roof, I need to yank on that side at the start and then it's fine, although I wonder how much strain this is putting on the other side.

    Does anyone know if it's possible to get that bolt and repair this myself to save money? Or is it too difficult for a home repair?

    Thanks in advance!
  • I was driving down the road lost all power, then the car shut off. it would not restart and is not firing when you try it. There was some smoke comming from around the distributor? it is a 4 cyl. Any ideas? PLEASE!!!!!! :sick: :confuse:
  • do you know where i could go to find the value of a 1965 Ford Mustang body only but with a perfect interior?
  • Hi people new to the site. Thinking about buying my wife a Stang convertible for a summer only vehicle, 1994 and newer. Can anyone recconmend a good year. Also when did Ford switch from the 5.0l to the 4.6l, and which engine is better. Also how is the 05 and newer Stangs affecting the resale values of the older models? Thanks in advance. :shades:
  • Welcome to the boards. As for your questions, the 5.0 was available in 1994 and 1995, with the 4.6 replacing it from 1996 on.

    As for which is better, it depends on what you're seeking. If you're going to hot-rod it, the 5.0 is the better choice...they're easier to work on, the aftermarket is the largest in the automotive world, and you can easily get big power gains. Also, the '94-95 5.0 and '96 4.6 were rated at the same HP, but the 5.0 has more torque down low, so it feels faster than the 4.6 (whose TQ is more spread out throughout the rpms).

    However, in 1999, the 4.6 power ratings shot up to 260 HP/302 TQ. So right out of the box, it was more powerful than a stock 5.0. However, the 4.6 is a lot harder to work on, go-fast parts aren't as ubiquitous, and you'll spend more to make it faster. So if you're looking for good power w/o tinkering with it, the 4.6 is the choice.

    The new S197 Mustang is somewhat affecting the prices of the SN95 models, but not too much over regular depreciation. V8 Mustangs (esp. the 5.0s these days) are always sought after. The key is to make sure you're buying one that's not been run into the ground by the previous owner. :)
  • tacomaguytacomaguy Eugene, OregonPosts: 41
    I'm cleaning up a relative's GTR and I can't get the rear seat to come up. I can usually just push the seat back to clear a metal hook on the floor and then pull up on the seat. Do I need to push harder or is it bolted down somewhere?

    BTW, this car has a K&N air filter input system. Was that stock? Also has a "281 High Output Engine" decal on the hood.
  • Couple months ago I bought a 2000 Mustang convertible 3.8L, manual tranny, overall in a very good shape, only 67000 kms on the clock. No issues/problems then.
    Few weeks ago I put two mods on the car. First a high flow muffler, which did not create any problems. Later on, I installed a K&N air filter and that was when problems started.

    I need to tell that both mods had actually a positive effect on performance, more power and better torque especially at low RPMs. However, shortly after installing the K&N filter, I noticed that when accelerating in lower gears, the engine starts missing/skipping past 2500 or 3000 RPM. It feels like the fuel was momentarily cut off. No problems when cruising or in 5th gear.

    I did search the net and as recommended, I cleaned the MAF sensor. It seemed to help a bit but this skipping is still clearly there. I wonder if by letting the engine breathe more freely the fuel management system is somehow confused about fuel delivery.

    Any help/comments would be appreciated.

  • No such thing as a GTR Mustang; aftermarket badging..same with the "281" sticker. To each their own of course, but one vote here for removing them... :blush:

    For the rear seats, there should be two tabs, one in the center of each seating area, where the carpeting meets the seats. You may have to lift up the seat a little. You then have to insert a screwdriver into the front to release the seat bottoms. That should do it I believe.

    The K&N system is aftermarket. Only the late Mustang Cobra "R" edition came from the factory with a K&N filter.
  • Did you try disconnecting the battery for a few minutes? If not, given it a try. When you reconnect and start her back up, the car will "learn" to deal with the new airflow. It definitely sounds like your car isn't getting enough fuel, but usually after some driving around, the computer will sort it out. :confuse:

    A greasy MAF is the most common culprit. Definitely was for me.
  • tacomaguytacomaguy Eugene, OregonPosts: 41
    The "GTR" badge appears to have been put there by the factory, it is chrome and looks like an OEM part. Same with the lettering on the side of the hood scoop. They are individual black letters rather than a solid decal. I'm
    wondering if it was a special model ordered by the dealer?
    It was a used car when my relative bought it. I found a paper in the car with the other owner's name from California.

    The above post has got me thinking, too. If I remove the very dirty K&N filter, is it okay to run the car without a filter for a few days until I get a new one. (I know you can clean them but this one looks too far gone.)
  • Sorry for any letdown, but not a special model. There's an '05 GT-R Mustang concept from Ford, but it's not a production model. As for the 281 stickers, Ford hasn't used cubic inch designations on Mustangs since the 302 became the 5.0 in 1979. So another aftermarket bit. As you surmise, a dealer might have applied them.

    If you like them, by all means keep them (the 281 lettering is a nod to the old days), but they're not part of a factory special edition. The only special edition in 2000 was a special, limited "spring feature" edition that had two wide hood stripes on either side of the scoop with "GT" cutouts.

    Don't drive w/o the filter...running a car w/o one is very very risky and could result in major engine damage. Only takes 30 minutes - 1 hour or so to clean a K&N (local autoparts store should have the kit if you don't already) dirty as it may look, it's amazing what the cleaner solvent can do.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,859
    i have a 91 gt 'vert. the 5.0 is the way to go. the 4.6 needs the new edge model to keep up. the 5.0 lasts forever. eventhough i only have a little over 30k on it, it still gets about 20 mpg just driving around. it drives easy too.
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  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    I need your worthy advice.

    I want to buy an entry level Mustang in the pre-2005 body style and have two cars I'm considering. They are identical white/tan V6 Auto's and are both at $7k. Here are the differences:

    2000 with 66k miles. Nicer interior and exterior. I like the black body decals and the wheels better. No keyless enty fob. Available from a Ford dealer who's reputation is very marginal.

    2001 with 42k miles. Interior looks more worn. Has more body dings. Has tan body decals which I don't like as well. Wheels are OK but not as attractive to me. Power steering pump whines. Front bumper and hood were damaged at some point and replaced but the hood is from a Cobra and looks odd with the fake scoop. Available from a private owner who seems like a nice guy.

    I know nothing about Mustangs and would really value your input. Both cars appear to be generally sound.

  • I did disconnect the battery for 15 minutes and the hesitation at higher RPM under a load is still there. I do not think it is an ignition fault, it definitely feels like an intermittent lack of fuel. The question is if it is something mechanical (fuel filter, fuel pump/pressure) or control module/sensors related.
    I will gradually check all these things (already bought the fuel filter). Unfortunately I am right now busy with some home improvement projects, so I am not sure when I get to it. BTW, my Mustang is just a toy car, a substitute for a motorcycle (my wife wouldn’t ride with me any more) and I will be parking it for winter soon
  • Based on what you've said, If it were me, I'd buy the 2000. :shades:

    There are no real differences mechanically between the 2 years. From 1999 to 2004 the Mustang was more or less unchanged at the core. There were some cosmetic changes, but that's it...

    The difference in mileage is negligible from a long-term point of view...the key will be how well they were maintained (so be sure to get records/have 'em looked over).

    Other: sounds like the 2001 has a GT hood, if it has a pronounced hood scoop. You can get a replacement key fob for the 2000 pretty easily.

    And I agree on the striping...I never liked the tan rocker panel stripes myself. Black is classic Mustang.
  • also could be a sparkplug misfire perhaps... :confuse:
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    Thanks, 324. Yes, I think "Classic Mustang" is the perfect description of how the 00 looks sitting next to the 01. Odd, since they are the same car with a different color of decal, but you are right.

    Also, the 00 has a dealer I can yell at for stuff. I'd never go back to a private seller with problems.
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