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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Maybe $7,500 for a reall sharp car. That one sounds like your typical 914 rat's nest. Great little cars, though, if you can find a decent one.
  • garv214garv214 Posts: 162
    Hey Shifty

    I have a 68 442 that I want to have appraised. I am in the SF Bay Area, and would love to get the contact info for your appraiser.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Okay I'll e-mail you pronto!

  • Hi Shifty....finally had the Cabollero appraised and was shocked when I was told $12,000!!! He added if I spent about $500, that I might be able to get close to $14,000 for it.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Yeah, well you aren't as shocked as I am. That appraisal sounds a off the wall...I'd like to see how he justifies it with evidence....I suppose if it were a pristine, Pebble Beach quality 100 pt. example, you could hit $10,000. If he's pricing it off a 70s big block El Camino, that's not correct, for obvious reasons....I just can't see an 80s era El Camino style vehicle bringing the same money as a '65 El Camino with a 327/300 HP.

    My two cents is that you should regard the appraisal with a pound of salt...but of course, I hope you get all the $$$ in the world for it.

    Does this appraisal have comparables for sale (same car, same condition, selling for $14K) and auction results and price guides to back that up. My data shows nothing like those numbers. I have 6 price guides and auction databases and there is nothing to support $14K.

    Well you can always ask a lot and go down :P
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    The people who give these appraisals should be willing to write a check for their appraisal less 10%.
  • garv214garv214 Posts: 162

    Thanks for all of the info you provided for the market analysis for my 442. It is due back from the shop next weekend, so I will get in touch with you shortly as a follow up. In the meantime, if you know anyone in the market looking for a clean 442...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    The 442 is finally coming along in the marketplace after playing poor stepsister to GTOs and the like.
  • scoutnmscoutnm Posts: 2
    When I turn my Scout off it tries to keep running and then eventually dies and spits back through the carb. Does anyone know what causes this?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    This is called "post-ignition" or "engine run on" and is usually caused either by too advanced timing (did you tune the engine recently) or by a "hot spot" in the combustion chamber caused by carbonization.

    First, check and reset the timing to make sure it is not too advanced; if that's okay, then get some gasoline additive made to reduce carbon buildup, pour it in, and take the truck out for a good long hard run on the highway.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    Has anyone besides me ever watched an "old timer" decarbon an engine using a squirt bottle of water?

    DO NOT try this unless you REALLY know what you're doing.

    I couldn't believe what came out of the tailpipe of a Chevy 350 one time!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Water injection is an old principle; however, with fuel injected cars, you don't wanna be squirting water down your intake...might foul up the injectors...I've seen injectors rust.
  • texasestexases Posts: 8,883
    I've heard of that, and a guy in the shop I worked at years ago used ATF to decarbon an engine. Also, GM sells a top end cleaner that you use in a simiar way - wonder what it does to the catalytic converter?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    ATF can work wonders. I've seen this in person. It sure makes a lot of smoke though!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    ATF is very high detergent but personally I wouldn't do it. I would, however, add it to oil to free up a noisy lifter...duh...hydraulic lifter I mean....
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    When I was a kid, there was an "old man" (he was probably 50) who lived down the street. He had a 1955 Buick and he always used a quart of ATF along with the 5 quarts of motor oil when he changed the oil. He swore by that and that old Buick always seemed to purr.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Well I wouldn't KEEP a quart of ATF running in the engine for the entire length of the oil change...but it might make a good flush if that's what he did. ATF is a great detergent but a really bad engine oil lubricant. Way too light and not tough enough for internal combustion.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 20,225
    He alrays ran a quart of ATF and he left it in there.

    The last time I saw him was in the mid-eighties. He was still driving that old Buick and it looked and sounded like it always did. He swore by using ATF and in the case of that Buick, it seemed to work. Still, he could never convince me to do the same.
  • My father has had his Black Fleetwood Cadillac(1974) since 1976. He is the second owner and has kept it in mint condition and not driven it very much. Primarily it's been from the garage to the street for waxing and back again.
    He is no longer able to drive it and I am not interested in keeping it. I am wondering what the car is worth and where I might look for a buyer. Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. Thank you!
  • texasestexases Posts: 8,883
    You might take a look at completed 1974 Fleetwood auctions on Ebay to get a rough idea. There, they seem to go for $3500-$6000.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    that's about all the money for a really nice one. This isn't an easy car to sell, so any serious offer in the range texases stated should be taken.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,376
    but what do you think of this one? 73 Mercedes 450SL.

    This guy has had it for a few weeks and has been dropping the price. Am I nuts or does that look good for that price? What should I be looking for?

    I, of course, reserve the right to chicken out here...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,894
    Awesome color, I love that aspect of it, I don't think I have ever seen a China Blue 107.

    If it has no rust and absolutely no needs, it's worth it. If it has any needs, anything at all mechanically, start chopping the price.
  • texasestexases Posts: 8,883
    Didn't these use the thermal reactors? Or did that come later? Major negative.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Those are later. Major knock on these cars is the gas mileage and the flaky AC/Heat systems. Still it seems like a very nice car and doesn't show the usual 450SL rat-mobile danger signs.

    worth a look I'd say, definitely. Only 60K miles, too.
  • Why are Mustangs being sold at relatively low mileage at dirt cheap prices? What is wrong with these cars that they're being sold this fast? Is it 10 years later and the fall apart?Is it because they require alot more maintenance than usual? Do people actually not like the older models and would rather have a 2005 and up version? What do you look for in a Mustang to tell if some stupid kid had the car to destroy it doing donuts in a parking lot?

    What is it like living with this car? Do you get pulled over more becuase its a high-performance car? It is more likely to get stolen because its a sports car and might not have as good a security system as Audi or BMW? Can anybody who has either a used '95 or so Mustang and one made in '99 and up- what's the insurance rates for that car?

    Which mustang with the v8 or the v6 is harder to pass emissions inspections? What can be done to the car to make it pass emissions? What can happen to an 8 year old Mustang that can drastically affect the car's performance for the worst?

    Why are Ford owners properly maintaining THESE cars only to sell the at 80,000 miles when they beat the crap out of other cars, put high mileage on them, and then sell them "as is?"

    Approximately, how many accidents each year are caused as a result of a Mustang being involved in, or contributed to, an accident(s) featuring injury or death to driver(s) and passenger(s) of other vehicles as a direct link to: drunk driving, speeding, reckless driving, street racing, etc? How many people are injured or killed while riding in or driving Mustangs each year?

    Would I be better off driving a 135i twin turbo BMW? They go for the same price as a fully loaded Mustang but hold their value well, has better engine, suspension, transmission, very sporty, etc?

    Thank you for your response.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Well, lotta questions here. I'll try to answer the interesting ones.

    First off, modern Mustangs are mass-produced cars. There are a gazillion of them around, so one would expect the equation of supply and demand to dictate a very reasonable price for an older used one. Your gain, original buyer's loss. This would be especially true for the V6, which, when new, could be purchased for relatively little money to begin with.

    Sure, the V8s are likely to have been raced around. I suppose you could tell abuse by: 1) certain types of street racing equipment 2) rubber deposits under the rear wheel wells 3) repair receipts for a lot of clutches 4) no service records, lots of chips and dings, stained carpets or a list of non-working items ("the AC just needs a re-charge; it just needs a tune up; haven't had time to replace the arm rest, blah blah"). Deferred items you can see suggest deferred items you cannot see.

    I also have to challenge the idea of a Mustang as a "sports car". That's a stretch.

    Of course a BMW will hold value better over time but I suspect that neither car will be a great "investment". Also the BMW will cost far more to maintain once the warranty runs out.

    As for insurance, if you are a) young b) unmarried and c) want to insure a high horsepower car....well, bend over.

    Last of all, if you are asking why you don't see any ultra high mileage Mustangs for've kind of answered your own question....

    Selling ANY used car while it is still clean and under 100K makes total sense. I would do the same. A banged-up, 150K Mustang V6 is worthless.

    PS: Sure they get stolen, Easy to part out. Any car is easy for a professional to steal. If they can't slam it and wire it, they'll flatbed it, and if they really want it bad, they'll put a gun to your head and ask you want you think.

    So give up on the idea of a "theft-proof" car. All you can do is deter the very amateur types.
  • I see that you have a very good perspectivee on cars like these. I've been reading about Saabs, Volvos, and Honda Civics driven cross-country for years and they end up putting 900,000 to 1 MILLION miles. True, most likely, my car won't see that many miles and I don't drive that much, but a car that is capable of accomplishing feats like that are ASTONISHING! I even seen an Audi A8 diesel travel 800 miles on one tank of fuel!

    I'm looking for an astonishing car, not one that is JUST looks, but is beautiful to look at, yet I can love that car for doing what people regard as impossible or absurd. Although Mustangs and BMWs don't sound like good investments, what should I look for in a car that I can enjoy driving, yet is very dependable, peppy and exciting, but yet the car can hold its value and get a reasonable amount of usage out of? Or if not hold the value, at least one that doesn't break down once a week.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Well maybe something like the Honda S2000? How about a new Corvette?

    Personally I don't believe those "one million mile" stories. In theory you can keep ANY car alive for one million miles if you pump enormous sums of money into it. Sure, one million miles on 4 engines, 5 transmission and 6 paint jobs. Well, so what?

    Whenever I really investigate high mileage claims, they don't have an evidence in 99% of all cases. It's bar talk mostly. You'd be quite fortunate to get 250K out of any car--that's statistically speaking the best most of us will ever see...either accident or structural failures will get us after that.

    Besides, what is the point of driving a car beyond 250,000 miles? Unless you restore it, it probably becomes dangerous and unreliable anyway, or if not that, certainly rather shabby-looking.

    Cars are built for a certain lifespan, like people. A few beat the odds but they aren't in their prime when they do so.

    I think a Porsche Cayman would be a nice car to own as well.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    Well, it's not all bar talk. One of my employees has 225,000 plus miles on a '99 Accord that he bought new. He drives it about 25K annually on business. He says it still runs like new with only recommended maintenance having been done.

    In his case, age will likely start to take its toll before mileage does.
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