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Acura TSX



  • eusnlleusnll Posts: 10
    I am deciding to get a 2005 TSX with red color and parchment interior. But seeing some posts it looks like Red is not easy to maintain . Does it scratch easily ? Any advice will be appreciated :D
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    I'd pay the .20 per gallon to use premium even if it only improved 1-2 MPG because gas mileage is really important to me. This is partly due the cost of gas, but mostly because the earth isn't making more oil and when supply starts dropping, things could get really ugly.

    Anything other than a 4 cylinder was out when I was car shopping and I had to really think about whether I was willing to give up the 2-3 MPG over an Accord.

    There's obviously a limit, because I wasn't looking at Civics or Corollas either.
  • proffyproffy Posts: 46
    Actually, the earth is making more oil as we speak... ;)
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    Is this the abiotic oil theory?
  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    I'm thinking about trading up from my '02 Accord EX V6 Coupe into a new TSX... actually half trying to talk myself out of it on grounds of long-term fiscal responsibility. But anyway... I'm wondering about the experiences of those with "active" lifestyles (runners, tennis players, etc.) with the perforated leather. I'm a runner, and if I jump in my Accord in still-wet running gear (after a race, whatever), no worries... I've got a towel to wipe the seat dry of my perspiration when I get out. It's actually better than cloth that way. But could I get away with that on the perforated leather seats in the TSX? Or would I have to make sure I have a towel to sit on (which of course would slip around, yada yada)?
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,758
    Maybe it's just me, but I would never get in my car after a race or a workout without sitting on a towel (and I usually put on a dry shirt too). There's no way that sweat isn't going to soak in, even unperforated leather. I would expect perforations would allow even more sweat to be absorbed. Even if you can't smell it, it can't be good for the leather.

    Having said that, I think the perforations do make the seat a little more comfortable for a long drive.
  • marc10marc10 Posts: 7
    I think everyone is missing my point. The TL and the TSX are different, but for 6k extra for the TL, there are certain luxury features you get(besides size, & engine). If the TSX adds too many of these features, neither car will be unique. From what I have read and heard, a minor freshening inside and out can be expected and I doubt anything mechanical.
    The TSX comes with so many features as is, theres not much they can add. And like I said if they add too much your looking at 4cylinder TL.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    That's the whole point. The TSX is a 4 cyl TL. Just like A4 4cyl 2.0 vs 3.2 V6. The only diff for Acura is that the platform and body is more different between the two.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Ahhh...there is still a huge difference beyond the visual amenities. As an example...the TL frame is much stiffer. Open up the hood of a TL and you will find a torsion bar near the firewall to stiffen the front. Open the trunk...and you will find heavy struts behind the rear seats to stiffen the rear box. Drive the car and you will find a much more robust suspension for a sporty handling.

    Inside...any car will have a tough time competing with the TL stereo. Leather grade is very different. Etc.

    They are two very different cars. Still...both very fine.
  • Not only gas. In Europe they get Honda's fabulous 2.2L diesel. When will Acura bring this engine to North America? Our (Canadian) fuel costs are what Europe's were a year ago when decisions were made to brin them a diesel. The first of Acura or Lexus [IS} to bring their hot diesel over gets my business for my next car. I would trade my 6 speed gas tsx in a minute for one.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    You would trade your 6 speed gas for a diesel? What type of horsepower and performance would you sacrifice if you had that diesel?

    My thoughts...the MPG of the TSX is rather decent for the performance. If the criteria is economy, there are plenty of other alternatives (Civic, Tercel, etc). If you want an entry sports-luxury vehicle there is the TSX, Audi A4, etc.
  • If you want an entry sports-luxury vehicle there is the TSX, Audi A4, etc.

    My point exactly. You can buy the A4 in Europe(dont know about the states) with a 6 speed manual and turbo diesel. It simply rocks. Far better torque than my tsx 6 speed, great cornering etc. In a race i don't know what would win - the Audi down low and the tsx up high perhaps. The engine is completely the opposite of the tsx's . need passing power/ Upshift. Yup. Upshift. All the torque is low (<300 for sure), whereas ours is just getting going.

    I bought my car knowing prices of gas were likely to rise and that it required premium. I will continue to put premium in. However, given the chance of a turbo diesel that got 50 instead of 25 mph, I would jump at it. We can get better mileage than 25, but not if you're having fun. Diesel doesn't seem to care as much. All I can say is: pox on GM for tainting North Americans to this technology 20 years ago. Read some reviews of honda's 2.2L diesel and see what the Euros think of it. It is even better than the Audi.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Ahhh...that is not fair to compare a turbo versus non-turbo. Remember...apples to apples now....

    Also....don't forget...the emission/smog controls in the USA is very much there is also that aspect to consider that will boost what experiences you had. Bring it to the states...and the emissions will eat it alive.

    One day...we will be driving vehicles similar to the "Smart Cars" that are in Europe. (how many here know what I am referring to? A brand of cars that is basically a golf cart).
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Most diesels are turbo so there's no other way to compare to a gas engine.

    Did you know the 2.2 icTDi in the Euro Accord has less emissions that the gas version?

    It's only a matter of time, not if, the diesel will make it to the US. And if you're not a lead footed driver you can get even better than 50MPG. If you are light footed you can already get 40MPG on the hwy with the current TSX.

    There's no need to get down to Smart car sized vehicles - subcompacts like the upcoming Fit from Honda or Yaris from Toyota will be small enough to get almost the same milage but provide more practical transportation.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    40 MPG on the highway?? Aren't we stretching here a little? I would be interested in hearing what TSX owners are getting for mpg though.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 63,177
    That is 40 MPG in Canadian dollars... I think it works out to about 29 MPG in USDollars.. ;)


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  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    I am not beating up on alternative to the gas power cars in the US. Just that we have become accustomed to power cars (200hp in tsx, 270hp in tl, etc). I will be honest and have not driven a diesel...but the expectation is that the acceleration is not going to be there. Just as indicated, most diesels are turbo (in hopes of making up for lost acceleration) and cannot be compared to gas engines.

    For those that do not know what a 'Smart' car looks like...please click the link below. (just know it won't have the performance that most north american drivers expect)
  • rko2rko2 Posts: 40
    Ok, first of all, we are not comparing apples to apples. If you look at the european accord (TSX) and compare the stats, numbers don't match up. The 2.4L engine claims about 22 mpg urban and 41 mpg extra urban, whatever that means. This is not the same as the mileage americans are seeing. For example, there is no way that I could get 40 mpg highway unless all the roads I drove were downhill, and I took a minute to get up to 60 mph. My best guess is that the engines are tuned quite differently due to emission standards in the US.

    Also, it sounds like that deisel engine is very new, so it would make sense that Honda would introduce it elsewhere in the world first. If all goes well, it may come here...especially with current gas prices. You also have to realize that not ever gas station here has deisel. So, consumers in the US have to be more careful when using deisel, especially in urban areas where there is less truck traffic.

    The point is that light footed US drivers can't get much over 30-32 mpg in their TSX. And, deisel gas is not as prevalent in the US.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    It does not make any difference what currency we are talking about. A gallon of gas is a gallon of gas no matter what it costs. I would like to hear from someone that is getting 40 MILES PER GALLON. Now if you are talking about a country's different( different from a 128 ounce US gallon) gallon then it would make a difference.
  • Simple reply: TSX is not sold, nor I doubt will it ever be, with a turbo. All diesels today are turbo. So, it is a fair comparison. In Europe you can buy a 2.0 or 2.4 L gas Accord (tsx) or a 2.2 L turbo diesel. Nothing else. All I say is give us the same options. Emissions are a problem, but 5 engineers together could solve it in less than 1 month.

    We have smart cars in Canada, and the US will soon be gettign them. they are all over Europe, as you mentioned. Not my cup of tea.
  • the 2.4 Euro Accord has only 190HP versus our 200HP. Indeed, it is tuned differently. I suspect the gearing is even more profoundly different. I would like my 6th gear to be taller. 3300 at 80mph is too high.

    The turbos offered in the Audi (dont knowe about the accord) fell stronger at launch than the 2.4 gas. The gas catches up as the diesel revs climb.

    The turbo Mercedes S (or E) class is faster than its gas comparison. It may have duel turbos, but the old adage of diesels being slow is wrong.

    I think the 2.2L accord turbo does 0-62 in 9 seconds or so. Slower than gas, but not by much. The engine got raves from the Euro press and won lots of awards. Bring it on.
  • the diesel only has about 140HP but has about 280 pounds feet of torque. It is torque that will get you off the line. In my mind, low or no sacrifice.
  • drewbadrewba Posts: 154
    ... and it normal city driving, it is low-end torque that makes a car feel powerful, not horsepower. I'd be very interested in a diesel for a future car purchase if they make it over here.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    "low-end torque that makes a car feel powerful, not horsepower."

    That is correct. Torque = "feels". Horsepower "moves" a car.

    If I was seeking an economical and ecological solution....I would purchase a hybrid before I go to diesel.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Excellent point. Plus diesal exhaust is extremely toxic.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Hybrids are not economical due to high purchase prices.
  • Respectfully, you need to go test drive a Passat diesel and then come back on here (Passat is the closest thing you can get right now to the Accord diesel). It will change you mind about diesels.

    Hybrids sold in North America are a sham. It has NOTHING to do with ecology, and everything to do with performance. They barely exceed the pure gas versions in everyday driving.. North Americans are green suckers. It is the Robbins/Sarandon clowns who think they are saving the earth with these things.

    Mercedes is testing a diesel hybrid. Real power and real fuel efficiency.

    Diesel exhaust is very toxic. Two developments here though: 1) clean fuel standard in 2006 will drop sulphur levels dramatically, cleaning up the fuel and the exhaust. 2) Exhaust particle traps being developed (used by MB) dramatically clean the exhaust. Some gases, like carbon dioxide, are much lower in diesel exhaust than with gas exhaust. Diesel hybrids are the near term future of fuels. Let the price of gas rise to $3-4 and it will get the morons out of the Hummers and provoke Hon/Toyo/Niss/Mitsu/GM/MB/Ford etc to bring their diesels over. Chrysler-MB is already planning to do so. Let the sun shine in!
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Thanks...and as I admitted earlier...I have not driven a diesel...and I am not interested in VW products.

    I will pass on driving a diesel until a later time. I am a "North American green sucker" who is still a traditional western capitalist who still wants a well handling performance sports luxury vehicle that by many standards is burning too much fuel at 20-25mpg mixed driving...but what I considering reasonable for my three cars. I am one of many global drivers who are with BMW 7 series who are intermixed with the 50hp "Smart Cars".

    If I was more concerned with saving a few bucks on gas...I would not have even looked at the TSX or anything else in its class. I'll enjoy my cars until the time comes then I will consider the alternatives. Until then, I will be one of the morons when gas rise to $3-4. I have worked hard...and got to live a little to enjoy.

    Ultimately...the key is that the TSX doesn't have a diesel. And if it did...I wouldn't select it as it does not fulfil my requirements and needs. As it stands currently...both the TSX and TL fulfill my needs and is extremely competitive to its peer competitors.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Diesel is not any more toxic than a gas engine - as I mentioned the Honda diesel in the Euro Accord has fewer emissions than the gas version. With the addition of a particulate filter and a better catalyzer it is ready to go once low sulfur diesel arrives June 1, 2006.

    The diesel is a bit of a chicken-egg problem concerning availability. Makers don't know how well they will be accepted due past issues and lack of refueling stations and stations are hesistant to add diesel as an option at the pump until the need is there. Like I said it's a matter of when not if.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Funny you should mention Canadian dollars. The person who posted his results on gas milage did it in Canada, Quebec to be exact. While the test was mainly to show the effects of speed and fuel grade on milage the bottom line was that in fairly regular highway driving one can achieve 40MPG - 41.8 to be exact at a steady 90kph (55mph). Milage was lower on either side of that speed. Guess why back in the early 70s the US gov't picked 55 as the national speed limit. ;)
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