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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 9,191
    A black 1968 Plymouth Baracuda. Looked in pretty good shape too. Odd how I saw it... my kids were saying WOW, look at THAT car and I looked up and saw it. Of course, they were talking about the little BMW convertible on the other side of the 'Cuda!


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  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    What the heck is "rotisserie restored?" (a '68 Baracuda was called this in a car ad - nope, I'm not shopping it!).

    I saw a PT Cruiser the other day - nothing obscure there, but it had a surfboard on top. I live in Boise....

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  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    to tell you that a "rotisserie restoration" is when the car just gets a new grill.

    I just know I'm going to get flamed for that remark though, because I'm just cooking up an answer. But hey - go ahead and get steamed about it if you want... it was just a half-baked idea that I shouldn't have put on the table.

    After all that, I can't give you the real answer but someone else will.
  • Har-dee-har-har.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...but I believe it's a frame-up restoration where the chassis is put on a rotatable platform during the resto process.
  • A rotisserie restoration by the way is, according to the "Web", the equivalent of a body-off restoration on a Mopar product.
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    ...restoration you attach the car to a body handler like this to aid accessibility of the underbody or roof areas. Looks cool, too, and you can also use it to detail the outside of the floor boards every once in a while...

    Tarik
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Also a good way to change your oil if you've stripped or jammed the oil pan plug.

    Yeah, "rotisserie" restoration is the new buzz word in ads for collectible cars.

    Actually, it is SUPPOSED to mean that this is a stripped down frame/body without glass or trim or paint or upholstery on that rotisserie, not that you somehow bolted a complete car on there and spun it a few times to level out the bondo.

    Other similar terms:

    "nut & bolt"

    "frame-off"

    "cost-no-object"

    DEVIOUS TERMS:

    "sympathetic restoration"

    "partially restored"

    "ready to restore" (my favorite)
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,528
    ...how do you do a "frame-off" restoration on a unit-bodied car?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    I guess you dunk it chemically for starters, after stripping everything off it.

    I was flipping through my past appraisal files and came up with a few truly obscure cars I have had to evaluate over the years. Ever hear of any of these or see any?

    Bitter
    Chevrolet Canopy Express
    Moretti
    Dodge Lancer La Femme
    Stanguellini
    Simca Aronde
    Berkeley
    Bond Equipe GT
    Packard Hawk
    Alfa Montreal
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I saw a Sable Convertible in the sketchier parts of Highland Park, MI today. That's right, a chopped Sable. Honestly, it didn't look all that bad - ditch the large chrome rims and it's actually a fairly nice looking cruiser convertible. However, it probably drives like a 1960s car...

    Shifty: I have not heard of a single one of those cars, although the "Bond Equipe GT" makes me wonder whether Sean Connery, um, went ballin' in the back seat of one...
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    I know I've seen a pic of a Bitter before, but I can't recall what it looks like. <does Google search> Ah, like this. I know nothing about these cars, I just saw one in a magazine once.


    Lancer LaFemme: Wasn't this a failed attempt to market a car to women, sometime in the 1950s? I seem to remember reading something about this.


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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Yes, good guess on the La Femme. It was a Dodge Lancer 2 door hardtop with "special equipment", which I believe included a pink umbrella, tissue dispensers and sun visor with lighted vanity mirror. This was around 1955-56. The car itself also came in pink and gray two-tone. Given that women had been riveting ships together from 1941-45 and were by 1955 a big percentage of the work force, Dodge might have been about 20 years too late with this concept.

    A Bond Equipe was a car made with Triumph Herald chassis and running gear and a fiberglas fastback body. This was done in the 60s, when any number of "specials" like this came out of the U.K. There was TVR and Ogle and Ginetta and Berkeley and probaby tens and tens of others I have forgotten. It has nothing to do with James Bond, but the designer, also a gent named Bond, also designed, I believe, the better known Reliant three wheeler.

    The Bitter in that photo used an Opel inline 6 cylinder engine as I recall.
  • speedshiftspeedshift Posts: 1,598
    The Packard Hawk is obscure?

    Admittedly I have a slight advantage on that one. In the '60s there was a white Packard Hawk usually parked at the main post office. I thought it was gorgeous.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Well they only made it one year (1958) and that's rather obscure for a car dontcha' think? And if you will forgive me SS I think it is one mightily unattractive automobile. Are we talking about the same car? The warmed-over 1957 Studebaker Hawk with a froggy fiberglass nose? Or are you thinking of the 1956 Golden Hawk with Packard 352 cid engine perhaps?
  • carnut4carnut4 Posts: 574
    sometime from the late fifties-early sixties? Seems like it looked a little like the Volvo 122. I bet there are WAY more Volvo 122s left than Simca Arondes. Was that the Simca with the old Ford flathead V860 motor?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I was about negative fifteen years old when all these cars were made...
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ...in a really cool kelly green. They're not super rare, but definitely not 'something you see every day'.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Speaking of Saab, I saw a nice black mid-90s 9000 Aero yesterday afternoon. Probably the rarest of all 9000s, but still, I wouldn't get one due to the reliability risks.
  • wilcoxwilcox Posts: 584
    haven't seen any VW Dashers in a long time. Guess they are all rust, dust, and carbon by now.:)
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 20,465
    many years ago (ca.'65-66) when I lived off Thomas Circle in DC. Theis Moretti had a low slung, shartk-nosed Italian body, possibly by Touring or Frua and nice wires. I haven't seen one since. I fiogured it had a Fiat under the hood but I know nothing about it.

    Weren't Stanguellinis all monoposto racing
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  • lokkilokki Posts: 1,200
    I got to see one and sit in it years ago in Boise Idaho. I loved that car. Totally impractical and not the most beautiful of Alfa's but a 'wow' piece just the same with that V-8.

    I was told that it was in the country illegally because of pollution controls, bumpers etc.

    I've heard of some of the others but never seen them in the sheet metal.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    We seem to have our fair share of obscure cars here in Boise. Our nice dry desert climate attracts them maybe? I'm afraid I'm going to break down and buy something "different" (that'll break down in turn, lol).

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  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    Opel, GM's European subsidiary, envisioned a futuristic sports coupe in the early seveties, but the 395 cars would be built by ex car dealer and engineer Erich Bitter in conjunction with Baur Coach, a German company specializing in small output production runs.

    He called it the "Bitter CD" and it was produced from '73 - '79. Based on the current full-size offering Opel Diplomat, the CD first had GM's 327 V8, then switched to the 350 cui version. The SC would become the CD's successor, albeit in a different format. It had an I-6 engine, also borrowed from Opel's line-up of luxury sedans of that time (1981-'86).

    You can find more material about Bitter cars by clicking here.

    Tarik
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    Hey, you guys are good. Very high level of Obscure Car Awareness here. Those who were in diapers are excused and held blameless.

    Oh, the Saab Sonnett. Yes, well...ahem....

    That's right, the Simca Aronde DOES look like a Volvo 122. That's a perfect ID for it.

    Stanguellinis are monopostos (one seaters or "one place" for those not ethnically Italian). I think they had either Fiat motors or a more desirable special engine, the origins of which escape me at the moment.

    Tarik has covered the Bitter nicely, thank you.

    Saab 9000 Aero is a nice car, but as you say, probably a money pit. I rather liked the early 900 Turbos, which were a less complex, more edgey car. Back then, Saabs were very unique; now more run of the mill. The 50s and 60s Saabs are really darling little cars, and the most interesting of all in my opinion.

    The 1958 Packard Hawk was actually a Studebaker through and through, 100%. As Studebaker was dying, they slapped the Packard name on this....this....THING...I guess in order to try and cash in on the old Packard reputation. It still elicits a collective groan from Packard buffs, but some of the Studebaker freaks really like the car. And yes, it is certainly obscure! "Be the only one on your block, etc etc."
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    ...the "Shovelnose Packard!" The 1957 "Packardbakers" didn't look too bad, but the '58s were downright grotesque! How about those grafted-on pods for the quad headlights? How about the fins on top of fins? Yuck!
  • There's a florist down the street that has an Avanti. I should take a picture of it. it's in the characteristic red.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,528
    ...of a '58 Packard last weekend. As soon as I get a chance, I'll put 'em up. This wasn't a Hawk though, just a regular 2-door hardtop. What were these called, anyway? Starliner or something like that?

    Still pretty grotesque, but not nearly as bad as the Hawk!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    They aren't Packards and shouldn't be called that. Arghhh! It's a complete fraud. These are Studebakers, no different than Hyundai buying Mercedes and putting a three-pointed hood star on an Elantra.

    If you want to call them Packardbakers, I'd go along with that!

    Did you know that Studebaker execs ordered all Packard historical records to be thrown into dumpsters?
  • carnut4carnut4 Posts: 574
    I wonder if it might behoove us to bring back that Packards topic, now that there seems to be more participation in the Classics forum? Just a thought. Anyone else?
    I watched a movie yesterday that took place in 1958, in which the featured car [until it got the window bashed and the killer got caught] was a 55 or 56 Packard-a big black 4dr sedan. The last of the real Packards. A Clipper? Was that the premium 4dr? Sure don't see many of those anywhere anymore. Not even in carshows.
    I used to think they were kinda cool looking as a kid.
    At least they used the real Packard motor in the 57 Hawk, right?
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