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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    I have 19’s thanks to the a spec package. I hope the tires last so make it through the lease period.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,200
    stickguy said:

    I have 19’s thanks to the a spec package. I hope the tires last so make it through the lease period.

    I had a leaking tire, and with 30K miles on them, and an AWD vehicle, it was just better to buy a new set. I estimated we had 10K miles left, at best. Called three places and no one would repair a runflat. They used to, but not any more. I could have spent the rest of the week looking at options, but that would mean a rental car for my wife. Local tire store was able to get a set the same day.

    So, $1400 later, everyone is happy. Okay, only the tire store is happy.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,685
    I just checked, early R230s had 17" wheels. Same as available with the current Miata.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,097
    I remember looking at a new Bentley Arnage around 1999-2000 with 19" wheels, and was amazed something so large was on a car, even one that size. Today I'd see them on a C-class and not give it a second thought.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    kyfdx said:

    Just replaced 19" runflats on my wife's car, yesterday. Yikes!

    My Mini had funflats when I bought it many years ago. First thing I did when they got to around 5/32 was throw them over a fence, got some go-flats, a bottle of Slime and a portable air compressor, and never looked back. Smoother ride, better handling, quieter---no downside. Perhaps runflats are better these days?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,685
    Recent post over on the cartalk forums was from an SL owner complaining about the cost of replacing his runflats, and asking about using regular tires at 1/2 the cost. He got little sympathy from the folks there, as you might imagine.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Seems like an odd response to a perfectly reasonable decision, as long as the new tires meet all safety and speed requirements.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,685
    Well, when an SL owner complains to a group of folks that mostly drive 10+ year old cars about the cost of tires...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    A set of runflats on a 10 year old SL is probably 1/5 the value of the car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,097
    I was going to chime in, even a 5 year old SL is not some exotic toy of the .01%.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Heavy depreciation on those cars.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    I worked with a guy that had a mini S. He ditched the runflats and stuck a donut behind the drivers seat. No human was ever going back there, so he figured, might as well use the space!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,097
    One can find a 2014 SL550 for under 40K now without much hassle, I think.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,200
    I don't have any problems with runflats from a performance perspective.

    It's my wife's car. Not going to screw with the set-up she has (explaining the spare, buying a jack, yada, yada, yada). It is what it is. We've had them on two of her vehicles for the last six years, and this is the first tire failure.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes, low $40Ks or less. And a 10-year old SL550 for $20K or less.
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Not sure who fits the top .01 percent but I read that Warren Buffet has a Cadillac and the FB guy drives an Acura. And England's Prince Phillip has a Land Rover.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,685
    You mean "Land Roller"...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,655
    I was going through some old boxes, and found this pic, that I took from 1994...


    It was a warm Saturday in February, 1994, and I felt compelled to line up the cars, get up on the roof of my grandmother's garage, and take that pic. Hard to believe it's about 25 years ago! Sorry for the bad quality, but I just snapped it with my iPhone...

    Anyway, I'm sure the cars aren't that hard to identify, but on top of my '57 DeSoto and my old '68 Dart, that's my '82 Cutlass Supreme at the top, and my '69 Bonneville at the bottom. I always loved the "Light Jadestone" color of the Cutlass. It's kinda funny...the car itself was actually kind of a turd, but sometimes a handsome style and a good looking color can make you forgive a couple of sins...
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Might be the angle, but the Pontiac seems to make the DeSoto look small
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,256
    edited February 2019
    Is that box behind the cars where you were living at the time? :)
    Do you still have that Bonneville? I don't recall seeing it the pictures you post.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,256
    Well, those are the same folks that came up with the acronym TRD.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,312

    My Mini had runflats when I bought it many years ago. First thing I did when they got to around 5/32 was throw them over a fence, got some go-flats, a bottle of Slime and a portable air compressor, and never looked back. Smoother ride, better handling, quieter---no downside. Perhaps runflats are better these days?

    The Bridgestone RFTs on my wife's X1 are a LOT better than earlier iterations of that technology.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,655
    Just going on memory, I think that '69 Bonneville was around 225" long, while the DeSoto is around 218". And, in each case, that length is pretty much all car...no overly protruding bumpers that will add to a car's overall length, but not necessarily make it look bigger.

    Even though that Bonneville had a beak, it really didn't stick out much further than the edges of the bumper/grille combo. Anyway, even though the Bonneville was bigger, I think that angle exaggerates it. The DeSoto is pulled forward, compared to the Bonneville, but from the angle I took the picture, it seems like the eye tends to focus more on the rear, where the difference is really noticeable.

    As for the fate of that car, I ended up selling it for parts back in 1996. I had bought it in 1992, from my cousin, for $400. It had an appetite for eating starters and solenoids, and had some glitch where, when you tried to start the car, if it didn't catch, the starter would sometimes keep cranking, until you got out and pulled a cable off the battery. If I had the money, I would have kept it, and gotten it fixed, but one day it died in my grandmother's yard, and I just left it. At the time I was going through a bad marriage that was about to end in divorce, and hemorrhaging money, so I had to cut my losses anywhere I could.

    However, when it ran, that Bonneville was actually a pretty nice car. For being a 4-door hardtop, it had a solid sound when you closed the doors, although the trunk lid seemed thin. Also, the sheetmetal seemed a bit thinner than it did on Mopars I've had from that era ('68 and '69 Darts, '67 Newport). It was also pretty quick, and for its size, it was a great handler.

    The time I had this Bonneville overlapped the time with my '67 Catalina, and my grandmother's '85 LeSabre. Oddly, the Bonneville seemed to handle more like the LeSabre than it did the Catalina! GM must have made some great strides between '68 (which wasn't that different from '67) and the '69 models. I think the main thing is that the steering seemed quicker and more responsive, with better road feel. The Bonneville also had 15" wheels, compared to 14" on the Catalina. But, I now have 15" on the Catalina, and it really hasn't changed its handling/road feel much. Oh, and the Bonneville had disc brakes up front, versus drum for the Catalina. The Catalina would be good for maybe 1-2 panic stops before the brakes would heat up, whereas the Bonneville was much more resistant to that.

    That Bonneville was also a comfortable car...nice, thickly padded seats.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I always thought GM built some very nice cars in the latter half of the 60's.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,031
    Very dated and somewhat (or very) politically incorrect but still interesting filmstrip promo piece from Chrysler Corp., comparing the '70 Polara to the Impala and Catalina of the same year.

    https://youtu.be/TB-WaCWPc9E

    I did like the Dodge better than any of the other big cars in its class that year.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh, dear god, that commercial would burst into flames in 5 seconds if it were aired today---LOL!
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    I didn't know there would be a quiz at the end. That music ... makes me feel nehru jacketty.
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,031

    Oh, dear god, that commercial would burst into flames in 5 seconds if it were aired today---LOL!

    Well, at least they didn't have the mom and lovely daughter talking about the pretty fabrics and colors.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    edited February 2019
    I used to not like '70 big Pontiacs, but I've grown to like them since I just NEVER see them anymore. I like the Ventura, Executive, and Bonneville Brougham models, as they are especially invisible now compared to the Catalina and Bonneville models. I'm not crazy about the looks of the Dodge....that '69 and later big-Mopar look just seemed so enormous to me. I was not a fan of Mopar interior door panels of the time, either.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    Not that old or classic, but an olds Intrique drove past my house today. Always thought those were good looking, for the time.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,852
    stickguy said:

    Not that old or classic, but an olds Intrique drove past my house today. Always thought those were good looking, for the time.

    Almost bought one of those once. I instead got a 98 Eighty Eight, which was a better deal. Big mistake at the time, as that car was a serious lemon.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think that era Dodge wore a 4dr or wagon style better than a coupe.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I agree that the Intrigue was a very clean looking car for its time. If only they had brought on John Rock earlier.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 240,145
    I always tried to get an Intrigue as a rental, whenever I could.

    Had one once, in Boston, when I had the family with me. After the business part of the trip was completed, we did a mini road trip to the Mystic Aquarium and back to Boston through RI.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,655
    I'm really not a huge fan of the fuselage era Mopars in general, but tended to prefer the Dodge versions. I especially liked the '69 models. They had sort of a clean, muscular look to them, and seemed a lot less "fat" than the Plymouths and Chryslers. I also liked the '72-73 Monaco, with the hidden headlights.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,031
    I saw an Intrigue here 2 days ago, a metallic red one driven by an older (than me) fellow. I always look for them because I used to own one and they are now quite rare here. My 2002 was a really good car but the rusties started to get to it by the time I traded it. Sweet engine.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    driving around today, a nice looking Mopar. About a 1969, the squared off model. Like a super bee, but I think a different model. Pretty sure had an RT badge on the grill. But no bumble bee stripe, or side scoops that I saw. Body style like this one.

    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/dodge/super-bee/2226604.html#&gid=1&pid=10

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    I always liked on the '69 Coronet R/T, how it had three horizontal lights across the rear.
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,031
    I'm a member of that dangerously unstable fringe group that thought the '68 Coronet was just OK, didn't like the revisions made for '69, but absolutely loved the '70 Coronet with its double-loop front end and revised rear panel.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    LOL! Not a fan of the '70. Back then, when they rolled the Coronet coupes into the Charger line for '71, I thought it was a styling improvement. Not so sure about that now though. The Coronet sedans were nice-looking cars I thought, in '71 and later.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    RE.: The '69 Coronet with three horizontal lights in the back--now that I think about it, I'm thinking the Coronet 500 model also had this treatment.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,655

    LOL! Not a fan of the '70. Back then, when they rolled the Coronet coupes into the Charger line for '71, I thought it was a styling improvement. Not so sure about that now though. The Coronet sedans were nice-looking cars I thought, in '71 and later.

    I never was that crazy about the '70 Coronet, either. As for the '71 and later models, I didn't like them at all when I was younger, but my attitude has softened on them in later years. I think my problem with the sedans is they seem kind of generic or "corporate". Maybe because they were so common as taxis and police cars, that might be why I get that perception. But, I just don't think they have the glamour and style of the GM intermediates of that era, or the wanna-be faux luxury that Ford started doing pretty well, starting with the '72 Torino. The Mopars just seemed more like workhorse appliances...although I guess that's not really a bad thing.

    The coupes, I thought, seemed fat and overdone, compared to the '68-70 models. But then, it was the early 70's..."fat and overdone" was in vogue...
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,312
    I loved the 1971 Road Runner; I thought it nailed the musclecar look- especially when fitted with the Air Grabber.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    edited February 2019
    You know, it's funny. Mother Mopar did a good job differentiating the Dodge and Plymouth new intermediates for '71, and I liked the Dodges better. Just personal opinion. I never like the Satellite's front wheel openings, front bumper, and the '72 taillights...nor the '71 full wheelcovers with the center circle of holes (also used on Valiants that year). I liked the '73, when the front wheel openings were made larger.
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    73 went too square for me, but I believe a lot of previous issues were worked out by then.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,312
    This 1971 just hits all the marks for the era- strobe stripes, styled steel wheels, air grabber, rear wing., half vinyl roof...


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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,056
    The wheel openings, mostly, just kill it for me.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,439
    they fit the shape of the car though, being squared off.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,655
    I think they did a good job of differentiating the sedans from the coupes, as they look like two totally different cars. But, I always thought they had too much of a problem differentiating the Dodges from the Plymouths. Even though the sheetmetal was different, they still had a sort of "sameness" about them. Overall, I think I like the Sebrings better than the Chargers. While the hidden headlight option on the Charger is cool, I think I like the way the Plymouth is a bit more creased on the sides...makes it seem a bit less fat, at certain angles.

    Both of them do a pretty good job at nailing down the "musclecar" look, though. I'm also probably a bit in the minority though, that I think I prefer, style-wise, at least, the '73-74 Sebring. It's a bit more conservative, less aggressive looking, but I think it comes off fairly attractive.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I preferred the 71 Plymouth Sebring looks to the Charger that year primarily because I'm generally not a fan of reverse C pillar designs. I thought the 71 Sebring had a more aggressive look than the GM counterparts, but those GM Intermediates were quite attractive looking cars as well. However, I never understood why Chevy went to single headlights on the 71 Malibu. An Intermediate from that era that I liked the looks of was the new for 72 Torino fastback coupe model. But I must be an outlier on that one, because the aggressive initial 72 styling on that particular fastback model didn't hang around all that long.
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