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Pontiac G6



  • e2helpere2helper Posts: 1,002

    For those that didn't know IAC=Idle Air Control ;)
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    "I think I would pass on cars with electric steering. So far problems and more problems.."

    That's not true at all. I spoke with a mechanic at the dealer about them a while back and he said they were "no better or worse" but down the road they should prove to be better since there will never be a costly pump repair. And that said, Chrysler pumps are nothing to write home about.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The reviews on the Saturn Vue stated that the steering was like having gravel in it. People are complaining of a whining sound coming out of the steering on the Mazda3. I'll pass on electric steering. Never have to replace any pump on any car I have owned over the last 3.5 decades, so that is not an issue with me. I see that on the G6 they do not use electric steering on the top line model where handling is an issue. Maybe feedback to the drive is not so hot on GM electric steering? As for throttle-by-wire there are plenty of cars which have the problem of hesitation when the gas pedal is depressed, or not being able to blip the throttle to get RPMs up to match on downshifts on sports cars. Some new stuff is good and some is just making life worse, IMHO. If ya like it, go for it!

  • I've not had any problems with the steering in my G6 GT. Yet. As far as feedback is concerned, how much do I need when I'm driving through the neighborhood? There is sufficient feedback ( resistance felt ), that is doesn't feel artificial. I am fairly alert to the posters who report failure of steering control on left turns however. Obviously, I'll post if that happens to this G6.
    The throttle by wire issue. I have experienced some throttle delay in the amount of 1/2 sec. I believe I reported this before. Does the Mazda 6S also have throttle by wire?
    The rear tires were replaced by the dealership, and my tire noise is now gone.
    I'm ordering the lower rear valance from the GTP for my GT. It has the dual exhaust outlet. One into two, dual exhaust will be installed after the valance is received. Magaflow muffler with a resonator, 2 1/2" exhaust.
    Dyno numbers to follow.
    I'll be setting up a photo site as well.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    The electric system used on the VUE was the first used by GM and it is not the same as the one in the G6. Further, where did you read that they are unreliable? The complaints some have in the early VUE systems have to do with calibration, not reliability.

    There is nothing wrong with them, they work great and they are more fuel efficient. Who wouldn't want that?
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    No Reliability issues I guess. I was speaking of people not liking the feel or the noise of electric steering. I never had any problems with the old way of doing it, so why change. The gas mileage difference is at the most a half MPG or less, is it not? If others are happy with all this new stuff, so be it, I for one don't need it. Yeap, will likely be forced into it some day, just like hybrids, when cars all change. Or maybe I will get a quality used car ;-)

  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    The 3 electric systems I have driven make no noticeable noise? In fact a normal power system makes more noise than the electric when doing a hard slow turn.

    MPG gain is probably about 1-2 mpg in the city, less on the highway. Wouldn't you want to save whatever you can when gas is $3+ a gallon? It adds up.

    Feel of newer electric systems is un-noticeable vs. regular. Even with the older ones, it's barely noticeable. Try a G6 for yourself before judging by what people in some Mazda forum are saying.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Why did GM go with regular power assist with the GTP G6 or whatever its called. In the sports edition, they dropped the electric assist steering. Interesting! I did read about the gas saving recently by using the electric assist steering. Ah the age of computer guided autos. Now it is a matter of programming to get the feel correct in steering.

    I had an Achieva which was really odd in that it would sometimes, but not always, have light steering at freeway speeds. Very strange, and not too safe. Took it in for service and they handed me a sheet on how power steering works to lighten the wheel feel when parking. Well I once again tried my best to explain it was doing just the oposite. In that when it should be firming up at speed, the steering was too light. Oh well, the ABS did not work right, so add yet another quirk of GM on 1992 vintage.

    I bought a new PT, so I am no longer looking at G6 or other GMs at this time. Do believe I will stop in and see the new G6 Coupe when it comes out though. If I go back to two cars some day, will consider it as a used car. Seems too pricy new, but I do like the shape. Ah but it is FWD. I usually last a few years without a sports car, then the desire takes over again. Maybe a Corvette or a Solstice Coupe if available is in the future?

    With the price on the Left Coast here for gas, I may have to get the old bike out of the garage.

  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I suspect the GTP may have a traditional system because of the torque steer issue. The 240hp (which is a lot for a FWD car of this size) may have tripped up the electric system so they went with a traditional. That would be my only guess at an explanation, but I don't work at GM and I'm not an engineer.

    Gas is going up more, smart thing to do is save as much as you can and buy oil and oil sands stocks. It will off set the pain.
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    The magazine writers don’t like the feel, when they race around the track they can’t feel when its going to let loose. The first time I drove EPS I noticed no difference, in fact I forgot it had it. After driving one for 10K the biggest difference is ease of steering at slow speeds. When I drive my truck I think there is something with the steering because it feels so heavy. :)
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    My Intrigue has a regular power system with variable assist that does the same thing. The wheel tightens up nicely when the car speeds up. I love it personally.
  • isn't that what magnasteer does?
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    Never heard of magnasteer, I know I like the idea of no pump,hoses or fluid to leak. :)
  • its on some buicks, grand prix, and posssibly even cadillacs (not sure on that one).
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    It's in my Intrigue. Great system, I think electric may replace it though.
  • rosiexorosiexo Posts: 3
    I bought a Pontiac G6 last month and noticed that it does not handle well when going over road bumps and pot holes. It seems as if the car does not absorbe any of the impact and you can feel every bump in the road - makes for a very uncomfortable ride. Is this normal? I haven't heard any other complaints in regards to this matter.... so I am beginning to wonder if it's just my car's suspension?
  • I bought the GT version of the G6. It is a little stiffer than most mid-size sedans. Tire pressure has some to do with how well it responds to road conditions. Have you checked the tire pressures?
    My car goes over speed bumps very well, as long as I'm not going too slow or too fast. Potholes I do my best to avoid.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    GT suspension is know to be tight (as it should be).

    Should buy a base V6 if you don't like that kind of ride.
  • rosiexorosiexo Posts: 3
    Thanks for the tip. I am going to check the tire pressure. I think you have a good point here. I drove a friend's G6 GT and the ride was a lot smoother - and it handled better over bumpy conditions. I'll let you know how it goes. Other than that, the car is solid with excellent gas mileage. Have you had any trouble with the radio reception at all? I notice some of the local radio stations that I use to get with no interference are a little fuzzy in this car. Kind of strange... Any thoughts?
  • rosiexorosiexo Posts: 3
    I really like the ride in the GT - it hugs the ground and does have amazing handeling. I just noticed that one other GT I test drove felt a lot smoother. Other than that issue - the car is excellent.
  • I have XM radio installed in my G6. I usually don't listen to local FM radio stations, so don't have much in the way of feedback. I believe the FM attennae is installed in the windshield. I've never been a fan of that type of antennae.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Because it would be very expensive to shut down all the engine build modules and retool with the new engines.

    Why are the Buicks the last to use the new engines? Because the 3.8 is a Buick engine from way back and, you may not believe it, but there are a whole bunch of Buick buyers and others who really like the 3.8. Yes they may be old but Buick needs to keep the loyal Buick buyers to keep up volume. As you know Olds did not and died a quick death.

    The Lucerne lost HP mainly due to exhaust restrictions to decrease noise which is what Buick is all about, after just about the best in the world quality of course.

    3.8 will probably go away when the current LaCrosse and Lucerne architectures die off in about 4-5 years or when GM decides to close down the last 3.8 build module.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Technology today is so much better than back then and DOD has been on the road awhile now with no problems I am aware of.
  • Is DOD planned for the GTP engine? If so when?
  • My leasing guy called me the other day offering to demo a 2 door GTP for himself and then in 4 months lease it to me at a reasonable discounted rate I figure. MSRP currently is $36k (canadian) and the rate he is offering will be on a value of about $30k with about 5000 kilometers. At any rate I started doing a bunch of research on the car and see that it has the 18" Bright Aluminum Wheel option. Most places I've read said the tires on these wheels are summer only tires, not recommended for winter use. On the GM Canada web site, the wording for that option indicates that those optional wheels come with " AS " tires. Am I incorrect in assuming that this means all season? Reason I ask is that while poking around at the options for '05 Monte Carlos, they show the tires on those cars as " AS " too. Me confused. Could it be the summer only tires are for US cars at this point and they are sticking all seasons on the Canadian cars with the optional wheels? By the way, replacement new tires are $400 canadian each !! Kind of hard to swallow knowing that in a 4 year lease at least almost $2k will have to be spent on tires. Maybe even 2 sets depending on how soft the rubber is. I recently spent $175 for 4 good used tires for my '02 Grand Prix. I doubt many 18" tires will be found at the used places. Thoughts?
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Unless you have money to burn, don't lease it. Buy it used in a couple years for half price. As for 18" wheels on such a small car, it does seem ridiculous. If you need a total performance car, just buy a Corvette. Even with the discount, the car is overpriced, IMHO.

  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Here is where m1 does not agree with the general public. Car is underpriced for at least a few years since it is so sold out and hot. Three years from now it may be a different story but right now there is no rebate and no haggling that I know of.

    As far as getting a Corvette, well if you have a lot of money you should be getting the Vette anyway ;) . Vette is more than twice as much and I am sure the insurance will be a bunch more.

    18" wheels are for hot looks. If you want the hottest looking car get the 18's but drive one first to be sure the ride is acceptable. Short sidewall tires five a choppier ride.
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