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Scion xB - Hip to be square



  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    It is not covered by Toyota. It is covered by Jim Moran's SET, but getting work done to it outside that region is a hassle. Its not impossible, but a hassle. Furthermore, it is not covered by the Toyota Platinum warranty.

    That doesn't mean it isn't a good deal at $250. I actually think that's a fantastic deal, but let's not pretend its something it isn't.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    The stalk on the unit is the same one that is part of the kit sold by Toyota dealers in all regions for Tacoma and various other Toyota's. I would be surprised if any part of the kit other than the documentation is non-Toyota. Even though the kit is only offered through SET, perhaps non SET dealers will warranty it if they install it. Ask your local dealer.
    Cliffy - Would the dealership you work at warranty the unit?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The stalk is the same? Wow. I just spoke to my parts and service guys and they said the only way to do that is a complete jury-rig of the Scion. They were not able to answer the warranty question for me but said they would have to go through SET and not Toyota.
  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    You should talk to Right Toyota.
  • carguy79carguy79 Posts: 23
    I worked for an accessory shop that installed cruise controls. This shop was owned by a man that owned a Toyota dealership supplied by Gulf South Toyota. The cruise servos, brackets and switches are all indentical and as far as I now mostly interchangable with the Audiovox branded electronic cruise control. I now work for one of Jim Moran's affiliate companies and drive a SET Toyota truck and my cruise is identicial to the ones we installed at the accessory shop that I worked for.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Pillars are kind of thin, but that does make for great visibility.

    Volvo's pillars are wide, for instance.

  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    A newspaper reporter wants to interview Scion drivers who live outside of California. Please respond to with your daytime contact information by 5pm Eastern on tuesday, June 1, 2004.
    Jeannine Fallon
    PR Director
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Cool, Dennis, that's you quoted about half way down, right?

  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    Yes, I'll be selling autographed pictures of myself and my xB on eBay
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hee hee, that's cool. PR Lady put me in touch with several journalists and helped me get quoted in the NY Times, Wall Street Journal, and even a book (The End of Detroit by Michelle Maynard).

    Enjoy the 15 minutes. ;-)

  • Does anybody know if the reliability of the scion xb will be the same as those for basically all toyotas? I realize that the car is fairly new in the United States but it has been around in Japan for awhile. I am quite young and looking forward to purchasing my first new car. I was hoping someone could help me out with the issues of reliability because this car will have to last me at least a few years.
  • tpat3tpat3 Posts: 119
    I have no doubt that an xB will last you more than a few years. Under normal driving and with routine maintenance, pretty much any new car sold today is going last longer than that. The xB has been sold for about four years in Japan and uses many "off-the-shelf" parts from other Toyota models. I own one and pretty much expecting it will be bullet proof.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587

  • Hello All. Anybody getting good deals in SD, ND, NE, IA and MN. All the NO HAGGLE quotes I got are at MSRP.

    Any dealers selling at less than MSRP?. May be these hotties are just launched in these states and would make me wait for some time before price settles down little bit.

    Also Any reputed non-dealer shop to buy/get installed SCION MAKE accesories with out messing up with manufacturer warranty?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    CarMax in Kenosha is selling for less than $7 less than MSRP. Yes, I said $7.00.
    Don't expect to find any pricing deals on Scion. Even on the coast they still sell for MSRP.
  • Thx my friend. I guess patience is the virtue to success. History is witness that no car stays hot for ever and eventually come down in price. May be Scion would increase the production soon resulting in better deals earlier than expected.

    I would wait for some time unless I get called earlier from hell/heaven.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $7 under is probably just so they can say they have the lowest price. Interesting strategy, though.

  • socalsrt4socalsrt4 Posts: 5
    Even paying MSRP, the xB is a good deal. Sheesh, how much lower do you want to go?!

    I'm finding out that my experience buying my 2005 must've been sheer luck and timing, because I went to the dealer, wanted white with a 5-speed and no add-ons. They had one with 1 mile on it (didn't even drill the front bumper yet for the license plate). Had them add the STB, aluminum door sill protectors, floor mats, fog lights, and a non-TRD 18" wheel/tire package, which totaled to a little over $18K out the door.

    Could I have gotten it for less, probably. But when they had the exact one I wanted, and after figuring out the OTD price, I was happy with that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587 has "internet prices" slightly below MSRP. A couple hundred.

    Their "value price" is MSRP, but that includes 6 free oil changes.

    Just an FYI for anyone shopping near DC or MD.

  • reneleblancreneleblanc Posts: 144
    Hi, I just bought a 2005 Scion xB here in Scottsdale Arizona. It was 109°F here yesterday, and the A/C was completly adequate. We've had the car about a week and have been doing a lot of city driving all around Phoenix, and the temperatures have been above 105° the whole time. I think the A/C unit is completely adequate.
  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    I'm in Scottsdale too- Getting the front windows tinted helped a lot too.
    Did you buy it at "Right"?
  • milkmanmilkman Posts: 6
    Just wondering if any scion owners were previous/current echo owners and what your comparisons are between the two?
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    There is now a technical service bulletin on early production xA and xBs. Apparently the flap controlling flow from the heater wasn't working well and was mixing hot air from the heater into the cold air from the aircon unit, thus impairing the aircon. My car is in the shop to check the aircon again and to see if this TSB will solve the problem.

    If you call Scion customer service and give them your VIN, they can tell you if the TSB applies to your car.

    Apparently they fixed the problem during production, so later units are not affected.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I had both for a while.

    The Scion, although aimed at the youth market, is much more upscale in terms of sound proofing, materials, finishes, and features. Although you can't buy a stripped down Scion, like you could an Echo, when they are similarly equipped, the Scion has more bang for the buck.

    The trunk on the Echo was outstanding, however, and on the Scion there is nothing to compare; on the xA you get virtually no "trunk" space, while on the xB, the additional wheelbase length goes to front seat/rear seat room, and the "trunk" is also pretty small, though not as bad as on the xA.

    Since the xA and xB are heavier than the Echo (that soundproofing etc.), they are geared lower and are both slower than the Echo and turn higher rpm at freeway speed. My xA stickshift has an annoying drone between 60-80, not surprising given it it hitting 4,200 rpm at 80 mph.

    Handling is a lot better on my xA, but ride is horrible.
  • milkmanmilkman Posts: 6
    I also owned a stripped down two door echo. I loved the echo, but wanted more versatility and more features. So I traded the echo for an Xb. I agree that the scion seems more upscale, but the echo certainly was quieter and smoother feeling at higher speeds. The scion is a stiffer ride with excellent handling. the Xb's seats seem more comfortable and all the standard features are welcoming along with having four doors again. Also the cargo area with the rear seat/s folded down is a bonus although the Xb's cargo area with the seats up is smaller. Passenger room in the scion is pretty amazing too. The echo is a somewhat smoother ride and better gas mileage and the scion Xb handles better with more room and versatility. I was also surprised that the 2005 Xb's insurance is cheaper than a 2002 echo. My girlfriend still has an echo so iI didn't feel so bad giving up the echo. Overall, I think the echo and Xb are both excellent vehicles. I Dodo think you get more for your money with the Xb. Now I hope the Xb is as proplem free as the echo having all the power options, ABS, stability control, and traction control.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Cargo space is limited, I wonder if they could design the 2nd row seat to slide forward a bit. It has almost too much rear leg room.

  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    Does anyone know the TSB number on the A/C issue?
  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    Here's my 6000 mile MPG update:
    Heavy foot, automatic, AC on 100% of the time:
    26 city, 30 hwy
  • milkmanmilkman Posts: 6
    Has anyone read the august issue of consumer reports yet? It rated rated both the scion xa and the xb. Only the xb was recommended though. What are your thoughts?
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