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  • 18 DAYS OUT AND NO PARTS. THIS IS THE 5 TIME IN THE SHOP SINCE OCTOBER, 2006. OUR CRD JEEP, 2005 IS 1-1/2 YEAR OLD, WITH 22k MILES. HOW DID YOU CONTACT DCX CUSTOMER CARE. LOOKS LIKE I MAY HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. THIS TIME THE CAR HAD TO BE TOWED. I HAD THE RECALL DONE AND IT LASTED 18 DAYS. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP. HAMCHAMP IN NC
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: From my point of view Chrysler was far better off before Daimler took over. I doubt so many workers would be facing job a loss had it been just Chrysler. In 1979 when Chrysler had to file bankruptcy the US government stepped in and helped so they could stay afloat. Chrysler paid back the loans years ahead of schedule.
    DCX has made these flat faced front ends, that actually have a huge drag on air flow, costing more in fuel. Them if there is any way to cram in a HEMI into a vehicle DCX does it. Where is the thinking on this? Maybe Dr. Z can afford to drive a gas sucking hog, but most Americans live payday to payday. This says nothing about what we are doing to protect our earth.
    Today I talked with a customer care rep. and they asked if we wanted a buy back? I said I felt we needed to know what options we have first. But they want to know which way to go. We would rather have everything fixed right! That and not having to go in every 2,000 miles for them to fix stuff. So the rep said to say buyback, and we have the option to have it fixed.
    Here the news about DCX was on all the TV stations, and on the net, and papers as well. However DCX stock went up about $3.50 USD. So some see the split as good, I do at least.
    If a Liberty sells here, for say, 28,000, USD, how much would that be in USD in France? Do you have rebates there as well? How long can you finance vehicles for in France? I am just wondering.

    Farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,354
    Farout,
    Here the Liberty CRD sells for 33,500 Euros. In USD this comes to ~42,000USD! Insurance is 1,200 Euros for those who have no penalty, no bonus. License you buy once for the life of the vehicle ~500 Euros. People usually pay 400 Euros per month without insurance for leasing the CRD. I've never calculated this way, it's just too expensive.
    But the expensive fraction of the running costs is the cost of fuel and consumables. When you're a Mc-Guyver for the rest, it's ok :shades:
  • budsjpbudsjp Posts: 25
    This site can use some good news: Just traveled from Flat Rock, NC to Beaufort, SC and again, today, from Beaufort to Charleston and return and got between 28.8 and 29.5 mpg on all legs. Turned 21k on the odometer during the first leg. This is by far the best mileage I've gotten, prior was ~26 mpg. Speeds overall from 30-70 mph, with some city driving. Only thing done to the truck is the replacement of the wiring harness, previously related, at about 13k. Haven't used any additives, etc. Have stayed with BP diesel and bought it today in Charleston for $2.25/gal! Maybe the mileage increase is due to that $12 qt oil the dealer put in the last change (Mobil synthetic 0W40 as usual)!
  • So more to the point is which side will get to keep 'Jeep'. Its probably one of the most trusted brands they have............
  • Hello. I have an 06 and did do the recall. The dealership I go to is in a small town and their diesel mechanic very friendly and will to discuss the liberty diesel at length. First he likes them a lot, and secondly he said one could wait until the transmission failed and then get both the recall and the tranny done at the same time. The recall is to protect the transmission primarily. I can state that I really do not notice any difference in the vehicle. I am here in Calgary and have around 31,000 KM or 18,000 miles on the vehicle. By the way the Libery is awesome in our heavy snow.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: Thanks for the information. But, with $42,000. USD for a Liberty seems outrageous, but, maybe wages are much higher there? Here for $42,000. you can get a super nice "HEMI" GC or for about $38,000. a GC with the new V-6 CRD. Where I live, the yearly personal property tax on our Liberty CRD is about $280. and it goes down each year. The License plate is $40. a year and Insurance is $68. a month for very high coverage in our case. Payments here can be a lease (which I have never done) or buying it depends on a persons credit and how much down payment they have. I think at a bank lowest is near 7% and a really bad credit may be 24% (I think), Vehicles are an "necessary evil" so my wife says.


    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    biodiesel.... The DCX of today can not see the tree from the forest. to make money the answer is small engine and diesel, yes diesel engine for america and it seems that they can not grasp the idea. They have good engines but maybe they do not go full power because they lack a good tranny.

    Nescosmo.
  • My 06 Liberty is in the shop last Wed. They are having
    all kinds of problems. Couldn't get the PCM to take
    the upgrade. Ordered new PCM..... Put in the PCM and still
    problems. Replace ECM and this caused the PCM to lose it;s
    memory. Ordered 2nd PCM for Monday. Will keep you
    updated here in Calgary. You may just want to hold off
    until they get a few more done. Service Rep says the
    Canadian programming (pollution etc... I think) is different
    than the US stuff and hence DC Tech Support is having troubles working the new changes in. Varsity is the dealer I'm using. Just a lot of water running today in Calgary.
  • So the question is, in the splitup, will Crysler get the Jeep brand or will Diamler get the Jeep brand??

    If they split I must believe that Diamler will take at least one brand with them be it Jeep, Mercedes, Dodge, Maybach, or even a combination... I would imagine they could even take Crysler with them if they wanted.
  • Btw, the Grand Cherokee is going ot be using the new Bluetech diesel technology which was invented in a coop between Audi, VW, Jeep, and Mercedes. Mercedes already has 33,000 bluetech engines sold. Bluetech now being introduced to Jeep vehicles is likely to get better gas mileage than the CRD does, even in a V-6 with higher torque and HP it is currently guessed to get near 45mpg, of course they published the Libby CRD when it first came out to get 38mpg highway and we ended up with 27. That kind of mileage in a diesel with a higher tow rating and much more room and more comforts is what would make the difference for me in spending an extra 10k to get the GC over a Libby unless of course they plan for an 08 Libby Bluetech and V6 would be sweet... Am I wrong?
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    I read in a Sept. or Oct. article that actual fuel mpg was at best 21 or so on the GC. They have re tuned this V-6 several times and are not too pleased with the mpg or the power. The new and improved version coming out perhaps in Aug. has the urea cat. converter. Now that sounds fun to pay the dealer to put pee in the tank! Where did anyone who is "normal" come up with such an idea? And it took what kind od degree to come up with such a wild idea? Hey, why not try a engine that burns DUNG, like 3rd world countries use for fuel to cook on!
    Just my observation, that looking at the schedule that DCX has for engines to go into Jeep vehicles Jeep is going to stay with the "old 3.7 V-6 and the newer 4.0 V-6 for at least until 2010. We have a 06 Liberty with the 3.7 V-6 and its a pig on gasoline. The Wrangler went to a 3.8 V-6 I wonder why they don't put it into the Liberty?
    If Jeep and other Jeep products don't change, as well as other vehicles made, we will become a slave to foreign oil, and may even become high dollar fuels like that of the European countries. I think fuel should be priced by the cubic inches a engine and the actual,real world mpg. The most asinine, outrageous idea was to make huge cubic inch engines, like the HEMI and others who make these gas sucking wasting engines, when we need to conserve our fuel, is putting the burden on future generations. To allow those who like to hear the rumble and feel the huge power these engines produce and waste our fuel should pay more per gallon based on HP. Having a vehicle that is just for impressing others, with 500 hp is a corruption of the trust that has been given to us, to care for the earth. I personally feel idea of just having huge powerful engines is a perversion in thinking about energy, and a miscarriage of trust of those who make these "fun to drive Vehicles".
    If Americans think $3.00 a gallon is expensive, just wait to see what hydrogen will cost.

    Farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,354
    Farout, are you afraid of the hydrogen boom? ;)
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    He does have a point! Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

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  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    I just went to the DCX website and found this heartening article. Unfortunately many people, 13,000 will be let go.

    http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0-5-7145-1-717333-1-0-0-0-0-0-11979-0-0-0-0- -0-0-0-0.html

    If GM had gotten hold of Chrysler, they would have killed it and any hope for diesel powered vehicles.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: Actually hydrogen may well have to become the fuel of the furture (long after I have passed on) I doubt that electric vehicles will move much further unless storage batteries are developed that can endure more charges and have a greater capicity to carry a charge in a smaller container. I worked for JPL at Edwards AFB California from 1981 to 1983 and there were teats onbattery run vehicles, batteries were the overwhemling problem then, and still are. The replacement cost is no small cost to face.
    DCX called today (a holiday at that) and said they will buy our CRD back, replace it with a new 2005 or 2006 if they can find one that's unsold. Or if we so choose we can select a DCX product with an allowance, or just buy it back. The exact details will be told to us by a Local rep soon. We are really unsure just what to do. They will fix it but, they would rather replaceit. As to the charge we would owe he said he felt it might be no mileage charge, Wow>>>

    farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,354
    Tidester,
    There is still one "enormously frightening issue" not developed in this interesting link:
    When Hydrogen catches fire at low pressure (due to a leak on a connection), you cannot hear the gas making the typical 'hissing' sound and Hydrogen fire is practically invisible to the human eye. When you look for such a fire, you will detect a blurred vision of the scene that's behind it.
    What happens then?
    People were severely burnt in the early days of experimentation with Hydrogen. They discovered they had to walk holding a broom in front of them to detect hydrogen fire!
    I wondered why a few old experimental halls had brooms and fire extinguishing blankets rolled in stationary vertical dispensers for emergency use: the answer is Hydrogen :sick:
    Do you really want that?
    http://nasaexplorer.org/show2_k_4a.php?id=01-029&gl=k4
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    That is definitely an issue. I am not sure what the current state of hydrogen fuel development is but people had been experimenting with adsorptive (yes, with a "d") storage. I.e., hydrogen tends to stick to the surface of certain materials (such as platinum).

    A granulated or powderlike form of an adsorbing material has a lot of surface area available to store H2. Such a system virtually eliminates the possibility of leakage or explosion. I saw a demo (video) back in the 80's of such a vessel being tested by firing bullets through it. Nothing happened! :)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • zachinmizachinmi Posts: 228
    Funny, my 05 CRD also had a fried PCM on their first attempt, and I had to wait almost a week for them to get a replacement. The dealer techs told me that this was their first fried PCM out of 5 CRDs, and when they told that to DCX the DCX tech people said they had been very lucky! Since that, it basically works...

    BUT, I now have my check engine light on since yesterday. I am guessing EGR valve but I don't know. It drives fine apart from that scary orange light. I also had this light on a few weeks ago but it went off after several trips on the freeway. Guess my CRD is going back to the dealer... AGAIN....

    So when is DCX going to buy-back our CRDs so we can buy something less troublesome?

    (BTW, I have been on a four month hiatus from this board due to computer issues and a move)
  • bullheadbullhead Posts: 125
    Yes Tidester, Sir:

    Your knowledge on current Hydrogen technology is what I understand too. There are bugs to be worked out of the adsorbtive technology- to be sure, but that is the promising track of things.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    tidester:Tidester: While working for Civil Service at Edwards AFB Calif. I was employed as a Fire Fighter. I spent a good part of my time at the Rocket Test Sight. There they had Liquid hydrogen kept in very large pressurized tanks. The temp. was kept at 300 degrees minus F. Hydrogen in these tanks had a small tolerance on the + or -side. There had been a explosion years earlier and severely hurt some Fireman, as you can not see it burn, as stated.
    Just as the future cars in the mid fifties thought we would have "Jet powered auto's" and as you see, we have lots of them now. I doubt hydrogen will become a fuel for the average driver in the next 20 years. Maybe the E-85 might really become a fuel that will be a fuel to fill the gap until a better engine or fuel is developed.
    How about the fuel developed in "Back to the Future". The Flux Capacitor just might save the day?

    Way Farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,354
    One of today's answer to "pacific & friendly" storage of hydrogen is described here:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061209083951.htm

    With our diesel engines we will always be able to mix basic substances to replace normal fuel. In case of shortage, then cetane boosting will become vital. Did you know that in the EU luxury cars currently have their airbags stripped to pieces and their firing explosives stolen? I wonder what some folks are up to :confuse:
  • mdamickmdamick Posts: 277
    Slight problem,
    The flux capacitor stored energy, plutonium was the source.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    How about the fuel developed in "Back to the Future"

    I keep checking ebay for that "Mr. Fusion" unit! ;)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Thanks for the link - that looks promising!

    Re: airbags - yes, I was aware of that. Unfortunately, there are way too many crazies out there. :(

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,354
    Nothing to do with Jeeps, but here is the link to fusion energy. It's a serious, peaceful and international project:
    http://www.iter.gouv.fr/index.php?rubr=3
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Tidester: You may have read in my posts that DCX is "in the process of a buy out" with me. That means you can't even find out how much refund you have coming if you cancel the Service Contract! This seems very odd to us. The dealer has said he has never seen a buy back with less than $ .10 per mile use charge. He said he has seen as much as $ .70 a mile as well. With almost 29,000 miles even at $ .10 thats no small charge. When I mentioned that more than 1,400 miles were spent going and coming home from the dealer they said they would get back to us on that. We have been told they will buy back for sticker price, plus the Service Contract, and sell for sticker and - any rebates. We have asked what if we keep the CRD and they fix it? They don't know if they can fix everything!
    To add to this two step dance, because we have not serviced our Liberty's differentials every 12,000 miles our warranty on these may not be warranted by DCX. (special fluid change price is $ 282. + tax, that is horrid. Because of the special fluids that DCX uses it does not last as long. I find this rather hard to swallow. What do you think or have heard? The service manager said most of the CRD's they have sold are having some problems now.

    However Yark Jeep in Toledo, Ohio said they have sold a lot of CRD's and only a few have had an EGR problem, and that's about it.

    We are unsure just what do do. The dealer has a small inventory of vehicles and there isn't much I would want to replace it with. We will not dive into this, we are leaving all options open for now.

    Any suggestions????

    Farout
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Thanks. Actually, I do have some familiarity with the fusion programs. :)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I think you can expect any manufacturer to pay out the minimum possible in such situations. The service issue with regard to the differential warranty sounds a bit bizarre. However, regarding the mileage charge, I think 10 cents a mile would be quite a bargain! Afterall, you have had the use of the vehicle for 29,000 miles and surely that is worth something. Good luck!

    Has anyone here had similar experiences?

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
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