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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 19,341
    I really like my sunroof and it is the first thing everyone notices when they get into my X3. (I agree with Robertv that it would be nice if it started closer to the windshield).
    If I had the kind of problems some of you have experienced then I would certainly feel different about it.
    I have only 9,000 miles in 10 months and I love driving my X3. I can't imagine another car that offers the safety, fun of driving, unique styling, comfort, reasonable gas mileage, engineering, and all at a fairly reasonable price (if you put the same options on an Explorer or Cherokee). Happy driving!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Never cared much for sunroofs/moonroofs, big or small. Potential problems with leaks, rattles, etc as others have pointed out. :sick: And IMO they actually make the interior hotter. A pet peeve of mine is how many manufacturer force you to buy the thing by grouping it into an option package. :mad: Rented a Mustang convertible on the weekend just for fun. And IMO, if you really want open-air motoring, a convertible is the way to go. :shades:
  • yetialanyetialan Posts: 13
    For those of you that travel with children in your X3 I have a couple quick questions. I am looking to sign a 39 month lease and I am expecting our 1st child soon. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    1) With a car seat in the back from ages 1-3 is their room on either side of the car seat for two adults to sit comfortably (assuming the baby seat is in the middle rear seat)?

    2) Does a stroller and baby stuff all fit in the back of the X3 from your experiences if the wife and I go away for a weekend (I know this depends on how much you pack but wanted opinions)?

    3) Any other comments

    I am also looking at M class, Jeep and X5 (X5 really does not seem that much bigger than X3 dimensions both interior and exterior!)


  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110
    Bag width wise in the back??
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    In May a 39 month lease was MORE per month than a 36 month lease. Maybe things are different now.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,624
    Special 39 month leases this month... on the X3 and X5...


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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 19,341
    About 3 reviews I have read say the X3 is slightly smaller than the X5 externally, but is actually larger internally. Hope that helps a bit. Questions 1 to 3 I don't know, but people who have sat in the back of my X3 say it's very comfortable.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • provoloneprovolone Posts: 3
    We were in exactly the same situation in April '04 and haven't regretted one day our decision to purchase the X3. To answer your questions:
    1. There is room on both sides for adults to sit when using the infant rear facing and the toddler front facing car seat. We used a Graco and now have a Britax. BTW baby in the middle is the safest position.

    2. Big Graco stroller fits. We have enough room in the back to pack for a weekend, a week however requires us to put the Thule box on top. Suggestion is to bring your stroller to the dealer and try it out.

    3. Rock solid engine, sturdy safe family of three vehicle. Drive an X3 and you will eliminate the Jeep from contention immediately.
  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110
    any infomation about engine upgrade? Trim? etc?
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 19,341
    Could I get an opinion about my first oil change and any other advice about regular maintenance. The first oil change will be done by the dealer at 15,000 miles (here in Canada at 24,000 kms.), no charge. The salesman who sold me the car says he would have the filter changed before that!
    I'll only have about 10,000 miles (15,000 kms.) on the car after one year. Any ideas on when and how often oil changes should be done would be helpful.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,624
    In the US, BMW will provide a complimentary oil change at the one-year mark, even if your service is not yet due...

    Then at the service interval, they will change it again.. You might ask your service department about this.... If they will do this, your problem is solved.

    Growing up with 3K mile oil changes, I've found it is impossible for me to wait that long.. I pay for an oil change myself at 7500 miles ($94 USD). Since we drive about 15K mi./yr, this is just an extra $94/yr..

    Maybe not necessary, but it will look good when I go to sell the car.. I doubt it is really necessary..



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  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    Consumer Reports just had an article about sludge problems in modern engines and the relationship to oil change intervals. In general, CR is very anti doing any extra servicing beyond mfg requirements, but they feel the risk is high enough that most cars should have oil changes done under the "severe use" schedule which for most cars results in changes every 5K-7.5K.

    So I'm with kyfdx - while I don't think the old 3K intervals are really necessary, I also think 15K is going WAY too long. It keeps BMW's "free" service costs down I'm sure, but the cost of an extra change at 7.5K is peanuts and would give me a lot of peace of mind. Oil change intervals are compromises and I think many of the mfgs have swung the pendulum a little too far in an effort to reinforce the perception that their cars require very little maintenance.

    Doing it at 7.5K would get you the new filter the salesman recommends as well.

    - Mark
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I'm on the longer interval side of the oil wars and saw the news reports about the CR study the other day. From reading their list, I'm sort of glad I didn't get the Sienna back in '99 when we got our van.

    Here's the CR blurb:

    Sludge: Jumping through hoops to make a case

    CR's legendary taxi test used a 6,000 mile interval. (Australian Consumers' Association)

    Steve, Host
  • davidc1davidc1 Posts: 168
    Why second guess the service indicator? It measures everything : number of cold starts, time spent idling, reving, etc.. I believe BMW knows better. I would bring it in at least once a year to check other things in addition to oil but wouldn't change oil any more frequently.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    >Why second guess the service indicator? It measures everything : number of >cold starts, time spent idling, reving, etc...
    Actually, since the mid-nineties the SI system has calculated maintenance intervals solely by the amount of fuel consumed. Munich's engineers claim that the calculated intervals are as accurate as those obtained by the old multiple input method.
  • davidc1davidc1 Posts: 168
    I doubt that it's still true. Can you confirm that? I thought I read on BMW material that it measure multitude of factors.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    The 2004 model year Fast Facts book for BMW dealership and internal use states: "The SII microprocessor tracks the vehicle's fuel consumption, which BMW engineers have found is an accurate predictor of service needs."
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 19,341
    Thank you for the information about when to do oil changes. Now I am really confused. Just joking! I think from the information I would tend to change oil at least once a year, and at about the 10,000 mile (15,000 kms.) mark. The article from Consumers Report and all the other information was very interesting and I would be interested in more thoughts.
    Another question on the same topic. My previous new cars which were always American cars, I usually took them to non-dealership places for oil changes. I once heard the dealership has such high costs that they are going to find work to do because the oil change doesn't really pay for the garage time. This worked out fine, and was faster because you can get in and out faster at a specialty lube place.
    Does anyone do this with a BMW?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    The last I heard, BMW will still perform the oil service free of charge on an annual basis if you don't drive enough miles in one year to trigger the SIII. If you don't want to perform oil changes yourself-it's a very simple procedure-then you need to find a good independent BMW tech to do the job. I would NEVER take a BMW to a quickie lube joint. They won't have the proper filter or the proper oil-and none of their alleged "techs" will have opposable thumbs(and 95% of them can't spell "BMW"). These quickie shops are possibly OK for mass-market disposable appliances like Accords, Camrys, and Impalas, but not BMWs. A friend of mine who runs an independent shop will often run across an Audi, BMW, or such with a rubber plug replacing the now stripped oil drain bolt. He'll ask the customer if they took the car to Jiffy Boob and they often ask how he knew...
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I wouldn't even take my Accord to a Jiffy Boob. If you change your oil once a year, who cares even if the dealer charges 3x what Boob charges!
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Check these discussions out too:

    Engine Oil - A slippery subject Part 2

    Synthetic motor oil

    I've never looked at this one, but the title sounds fun:

    Oil change/fiascos

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  • gatordadgatordad Posts: 2
    We have a 05 BMW 3.0 X3 with 2,500 miles. While we really enjoy the vehicle, we get abysmal gas mileage; roughly 10.5 miles blended city/highway (however we do live in a city and 80 percent of that is city). Nevertheless, that’s still terrible. We brought it in to our dealer and the service guy gave me all the yadda, yadda, stuff why gas mileage differs from vehicle to vehicle. As I was leaving the mechanic that was working on my car came over to me and said “I can’t believe you’re the first customer to complain about that. We don’t understand why the 3.0 X3 gets such lousy gas mileage.”

    Does anyone else have a similar experience?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    10.5 MPG? :surprise: Yikes! Does your normal commute involves lots of idling?
  • gatordadgatordad Posts: 2
    Not really. I work out of my house and my wife works .8 of a mile from our house. We do a lot of around town stuff, you know supermarket, bed bath and beyond, etc.
  • delrickdelrick Posts: 105
    10.5...something is wrong.

    Unless you are standing on the accelerator constantly, which is hard not to do, with this puppy, there is a problem there.

    We are still putting our first thousand miles on but the [non-permissible content removed] mpg has climbed to 18.8 and seems to want to go higher. All city, stop and go driving.

    Oil changes and dealer costs...

    There is absolutely no way BMW is going to risk severe engine damage in the warranty period.

    Those costs would dwarf their oil change costs.

    They are using a full synthetic from the factory and have to have total confidence in the recommended change interval.

    I would not risk having anyone but the dealer do the change at the one year or recommended interval.
  • bmwnabmwna Posts: 32
    I'm with BMW of North America, LLC. I've passed this message on to a BMW NA Customer Relations Representative who will be in touch with you soon.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    BMW leases a large portion of the cars it sells (here in North America). I can't find the statistic right now, but I believe the leased BMW population was around the 50% mark (and probably increasing in percentage.)

    BMW Financial and BMW dealers (and customers of course) buy and sell previously owned BMW's.

    Not only does BMW not want to have problems with their cars in the first 50,000 miles (most leases are 39 months or LESS), they want to certify the cars once they come off lease so they can be sold a second time. Again, the Certification process probably includes some fairly broad warranty coverage of the car to 100,000 miles or 6 years (or somethings in that spirit.)

    Again, BMW would be crazy for the cost of more frequent oil + filter changes to risk repair bills (even at cost) that would dwarf the cost of more frequent oil changes.

    BMW demands that you use "BMW oil" (VW and Audi do the same thing) so that would pretty much suggest you should NOT get your oil changed somewhere other than a BMW dealer (the hassle factor will go to "11").

    The point of all the above is, if you are reading this you probably leased your BMW and the lease will be equal to or less than the period of the warranty coverage.

    Changing the oil more frequently is NOT a bad thing -- but it probably doesn't protect you, unless you plan to keep the car "forever."

    The more frequent oil changes seem to be a good idea -- of that there is probably little debate.

    And, due to the hassle factor, you will most certainly need to have the oil changed at the dealer.

    What is the benefit to you of changing the oil more frequently -- especially if you are one of the people who lease?

    I am certain there is some benefit -- to the engine -- of doing so, but it is probably pretty small. If the benefit was large and the risk in the first 100,000 miles could be traced to over long oil change intervals, you can bet BMW would just cut the time and or mileage accordingly.

    Don't waste your money. Do check your oil level. Do use a "top tier gas" (

    Don't sweat it. :shades:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think (part of) the problem is your normal day involves lots of very short trips, and the engine is constantly running only warm at best. But still....10.5 mpg?! :cry:
  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110

    Could I ask you to BRIEFLY compare the x3 to the allroad. Acceleration, fit and finish, driving charactor?

    The interior is a bit below, and for the nearing 50k price I am a bit underwealmed.
    Looking at the x5 its quite a difference!

    But the x5 in a stick seems silly, the x5 might be bloated in size with little cargo gain (acutally none!) and since its coming fast to the end its very long cycle witht he new one coming very soon!

    You seem very happy with the X3!
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