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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,724
    Mark... I think he is making a comment on your writing style... ;)


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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Ya think? :blush:
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    X3 225 HP 6speed manual -- acceleration, decent, adequate -- improves after a couple thousand miles (thirsty, but OK -- 22+.) X3 225 HP 5spd selectronic -- acceleration, adequate, transmission "hunts" -- shifts up and down, very annoying (even thirstier, plus they charge for the auto transmission when they should pay you for taking it.) New X3 w/255 HP and 6spd manual, steptronic and hopefully SMG should mitigate some of the outgoing model issues pertaining to the auto.

    allroad 250 HP 6speed manual -- acceleration, strong (especially 1 - 3 gears), more than adequate -- improves after 5000 miles (thirsty, too.) allroad 250 HP 5spd tiptronic -- "tip lag," "turbo lag," "really thirsty," far less satisfying; avoid at all costs. allroad 4.2 V8, tip only -- "tip lag" or "hunting" behavior still there, but overall goodness of the V8 makes this the allroad to have if you want an automatic.

    X3 can be had with a sport package -- feels like a firm BMW 3 series -- which is a good thing. Higher off the ground -- with this, you give and you get.

    allroad can be modified with "H sport" anti-sway bars to pretty much eliminate body roll. allroad has four position air suspension which can be computer controlled to be very low indeed; when so modified and tired with 18" 245 x 45 wheels and tires, the allroad is a great sports sedan (that just happens to be an avant.) It is more offroad capable than any car, but less so than a jeep (the X3 is called an S. A. V, not S.U.V -- don't think the X3 is a truck, ditto the allroad.)

    Interior of the Audi wins in any way you can list.

    The styling of either is subjective. I like them both.

    Either can now be had (if you can find one) with a DVD full screen navi system. Get it.

    In terms of "car like" -- er, sporty character car like demeanor -- the Audi is your car.

    Equip the X3 with about $10,000 worth of stuff and it is fun and luxurious but the interior compared with the Audi is "casual" while the Audi is "dressy."

    Dress the X3 up, however, and it'll pass just fine at a black tie affair. That, however, requires that you dress it with the optional matching bumpers or buy it in Jet Black Gloss with a striking color interior with the Premium Leather, Sport Seats.

    That, for me, is brief! :shades:
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Actually your posts are much easier to read than a lot of shorter ones around - all the paragraph breaks really help the readability.

    While we're in comparison mode, this may be of interest:

    Audi's allroad Paired Alongside New SUVs (Inside Line)

    Audi seems to be looking at the M-Class as the competition, not the X3/X5.

    Steve, Host
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,724
    Sure.. encourage him... ;)


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  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110
    Thank you,

    I asked for you to be brief because I thought it was polite to do so. If I am asking for somthing, I appreciate the effort and just did not want you to spend much time.

    I think if you want to write an epic review its cuz you got somting to say, and want to do so. But to ask for lenght would be rude.

    Your well crafted posts are great even if long!
  • Hi everyone! I'm a recently registered Forum guy. Been following this Forum for several months. Just ordered a 2006 X3 3.0. Was told by dealer that the X3 2.5's are gone for 2006 which is OK with me because I wanted a 3.0 anyway. What wasn't OK with me was that he said the 3.0 engines were still 225 HP and not 255 HP. Anyone have any good news concerning this (Like maybe he was wrong?). Also, 2006 bumpers are to be body colored matched as are the rocker panels if you get the Sport Package. Glad to be on board. :)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,724
    I think they are putting off the new engine in the X3, until the new, redesigned X5 comes out with the same engine..

    Otherwise, sales of the X5 would go into the toilet...

    Not sure when that is going to happen...



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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    My dealer owner, did say the new X3's would have the 255HP engine -- but when pressed, I think he said "eventually." Probably for the reasons you cited -- but why not put the 255HP in the X5's as of such and such a production date?

    We are NOT unhappy with the 225HP 6, tho.

    I was also told that the new X3's would have the 6spd manual and the 6 speed steptronic and probably (eventually) the SMG. Is this correct or are the two hand in hand -- 255HP and 6spd steps?

    We love our stick shift and it does improve the mileage and the acceleration.

    Glad that the body and bumpers will be the same color even if it means you have go with the sport package -- which is NOT a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,724
    New re-designed X5 coming out very soon.. (January?)... So, to retrofit the old one for just half a year.....

    Not a bad marketing idea... get the new X5 off to a big start... then later in the year, drop the new engine into the X3, and get another bump in interest....


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  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110
    I think they can dump enough X5's at good prices but the slow selling x3 needs a boost by improving the interior, and the new engine.

    The lease deals on the x5 are incredible these days!
  • dlscarnutdlscarnut Posts: 6
    I have two quick questions regarding the X3....

    1) Have you seen anyone obtain bumpers that could be painted for current body style X3? I assume the current bumpers could not be painted given their plastic texture.

    2) Can you recommend a place that would sell OEM X3 wheels? I have a non sport and am looking to purchase the sport wheels/tires.

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    A Jen-U-Wine BMW accessory is available to dress up the X3.

    Also you could buy OEM wheels from BMW, too.

    HOWEVER, I believe there are "Jen-U-Wine" imitation replicas available that, when capped with the BMW center caps are 99.44/100% drop dead look alikes at a lot less money.

    Google this or ebay it and you'll see what's out there.

    The body kit IS, however a real BMW accessory.
  • yetialanyetialan Posts: 13
    Why not with the nav system?
  • Don't know if you got a reply on this, or if you went ahead and bought the X3, but I can tell you as an '05 X3 owner and parent of an 18 month old, that car seats and adults fit fine. I actually traded down (interior space-wise) from a Yukon to the X3, and have not been disappointed. I would caution, however, against putting a car seat in the center position. It is true that that is the recommended placement, but most manufacturers will tell you that the LATCH system is designed so that the lower anchors should be used in pairs (the entire left side or the entire right side) and not one anchor from each side of the car (something having to do with the inner workings of the anchor system). I have been meaning to email a question regarding this issue to consumer reports to get the "official" answer. Just a free piece of advice. Also, we have been able to get the stroller from our Graco travel system into the rear of the X3, however, there is not much room for anything else (unless you stack things on top of the stroller. I would recommend using an umbrella stroler for any strolling you need to do away from the house (sort of negates the need for the travel system, huh?)

    Hope this helps.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The posted lease rates for the X5 on is still 4.5%. Maybe there are huge factory cap cost reduction incentives?

    A heavily-discounted X5 would be very tempting since IMO the X5 4.4 is still one of the most attractive (styling and performance) SUVs out there, even in its old age!
  • Our (OK, my wife's) X3 has 5,000 miles on it. This car has been flawless in every way (it is perhaps a tiny bit thirsty, but not bad.)

    With the dressed up bumpers of the 2006 model and perhaps a bit finer vinyl grain on the dashboard (and the 3.0 255HP engine) this car has a great future ahead of it. It is BMW's "secret car." Configured like you will virtually never see it on the lot, the X3 is sporty, utilitarian AND does a pretty good job of being luxurious.

    The handling is very much like a 2005 330xi and the comfort is very much like -- a BMW 3, too.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    For this to have happened, there would have to be a catastrophic failure in both the front and rear brake lines. There are two brake cylinders master and slave. They act as back-up to each other. With the exception of computer controlled ABS the brakes are mechanical.

    I would believe the car was purposefully sabotaged in some fashion before I believed both brake cylinders went bad at the same time.
  • bargamon1bargamon1 Posts: 110
    Did she ever stop?

    Twice this happened and has the problem been found? Substantiated?

    Does she cry out for help repressing the clostrophobic repression that comes with the reality that your life is not your own and is now focused on the child?
  • I wonder if others agree that the base Sound System in X3 is pretty sub-par for a ~40K vehicle. Compared to the base sound system I had in my '01 Saab 9-3 (I believed Clarion based) the X3 sound system sounds like a toy Fisher Price toy stereo. Horrible frequency range and radio reception fads in and out....

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,724
    Most BMW sound systems leave a lot to be desired.. Even the optional Harmon-Kardon in the 325i is pretty lame...


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  • rob34rob34 Posts: 58
    I have noticed that the brake pedal and gas pedal are very close together. She probably hit the gas even though she says she didn't. Did she pull the emergancy brake? What did the dealer say?
  • rob34rob34 Posts: 58
    The premium sound stereo is pretty good. Better then the base stereo in my 2002 X5. But my reception was better in the X5. I just think they should have a standard CD changer in the head unit itself. I mean many American cars and trucks have that standard. Also, I sure wish I knew how much time elapsed in a given song with a CD. Why there isn't more track info I have no idea but there should be.
  • junm3junm3 Posts: 1
    Does anybody know when BMW X3 2006 will come out
  • Thats a disappointment... BMW should really get their act together on the sound system. I'm not saying it needs they to put in a audiophile grade system, but the standard system is a joke.
  • We test drove three X3's all with the base model audio -- this is probably NOT literally true, but for the moment I can only comment it was the worst audio system I have heard in a "new car" in the past 15 years! I cannot remember anything sounding this bad, that is.

    The upgraded system is pretty good -- it is a stereo system (not "surround sound") with multiple speakers front and rear -- actually considering it is "stereo" it is more than pretty good, it is very, very good indeed.

    Were I the dealer, I would keep at least one X3 in stock with the high zoot stereo and Sirius (which is what we ended up with) because I, for one, always bring a couple of CD's with me to make sure I give the whole car a test drive. When I put in my test CD's, I thought the woofers were disconnected the thing sounded so tinny.

    Also, my dealer says all inventory X3's "from now on" will ONLY come with Servotronic ($250 option) steering -- this too, is a deal breaker option (you must have it, that is.)

    We ended up with:

    X3 3.0 6spd manual Black Gloss w/Terracotta "Montana Leather" Sport seats.

    Sat Nav
    Upgraded Audio
    Servotronic. . .

    . . .and a couple of other things that completely transform the X3 into a comfortable and darn near luxurious vehicle.
  • I just ordered a 2006 X3 that supposedly is to be built in September and delivered in October sometime. Time will tell... But I try to be optimistic :)
  • Hard to believe, but true: our ordered X3 took 7 weeks to come in.
  • Does anyone know of a website where can purchase BMW OEM Accessories? My dealership sucks (bunch of classless, dishonest jerks) and I don't want them making even another $1 off me.
  • stone3stone3 Posts: 9
    No. Not at all. She clearly pressed the brake but the car would not stop. The police came and now the car is being examined by the dealer. But I think it is not right for the car to be examined by the dealer. Does anyone know any other place where she should have her car examined other than dealer?
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