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Chevrolet Cobalt



  • grosloupgrosloup Posts: 239
    Hello fellow canadian. I live in this winter country myself and I posted a couple of times to know how the cobalt handles in winter driving but I didn't have to much replies. I'm looking forward to buying one(coupe LT or SS) but my only concern is driving a cobalt in winter. I'm used to drive S.U.V.'s and Vans. I'm a little scared.
    The only reply I got was from Michigan and they didn't have to much snow last winter. So...
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Almost ANY front wheel drive car (the Cobalt is one) will handle excellently in snow WITH snow tires. Without snow tires, how any fwd car handles snow depends on that particular all season tires winter performance. BUT Consumer Reports did a test and snow tires blow away the best all season tires in winter.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Well enough moisture in the headlamps, and you can add some gold fish. :surprise: That would psych-out the service dept. Hope they get your car straighten on out.

    My last GM was an Acheiva, and it was in say around eight times before the bugs got worked on out. After the few months to do that, all went fairly well, compared to the first three. I guess I had it say five years. It started to take on water around the driver side footwell, and a couple of other things, so I dumped it. It was not too bad to live with overall between those years. And hopefully the 21st century compact cars by GM are better than the '70's thru '90's.

    Can you take it to another dealer in your area? Sounds like the one you have taken your car to was full of B.S. on the headlamp issue.

    Wish you better luck in the future.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Subaru AWD, if you are real concerned about snow sledding along the highways and by-ways.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Never heard of the headlight moisture issue with this car. It would have to be either a cracked lense or bad gasket.

    The air conditioning issue is a known one in the first year Cobalts, unfortunately.

    I wish I had saved the article, but a local newspaper auto writer says most of the time when there is a hard time getting the key out of the ignition it is related to the ignition solenoid getting wet from coffee or soda spilling from the cup holder down into the transmission solenoid. I don't know how common this happens.
  • Hello, I didnt mean to insult your intelegence... woman or man we are all equal. So I am sorry if I did. I would try another dealership if your current one is giving your problems. I have had great success with mine, I am sorry to hear about it.

    The shift control does have a problem when liquids get spilt into it. I have read here and on a few other forums.. they did correct that issue for the 2006 models. I have had my friend spill TWO Slurpee' in it (needless to say hes not allowed to have drink or food in my vehical any more) and I have not had any problems with liquid.

    The headlights I must agree is a crack or a poor gasket seal.
  • Handles great in the winter. Dont know where you are located, but here (winnipeg) we had an amazing storm this past November and there must have been 3 - 4 feet of snow overnight. I was able to push my way along.. a few times it was close to being stuck, but that wonderfull Snow tire helps alot.

    It being a front wheel drive does help.. many times I would see one of those "I drive a big 4x4" guys stuck because they got cocky, I drove right by them ( i did help but you know what i mean ) :P
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    "Another interesting fact, the Chevy Cobalt is the number 2 selling vehical in North America, only surpased by the Impala. They gota be doing something right!"

    yeah, they are doin something right. THEY ARE UNLOADING BOATLOADS OF CARS TO RENTAL COMPANIES. even though domestic automakers are trying to cut down dependence on fleet sales, they've got a long way to go.

    The top ten fleet vehicles sales for 4TH QUARTER OF 2005:

    10: Chrysler PT Cruiser
    09: Chevrolet Cobalt
    08: Dodge Caravan
    07: Pontiac G6
    06: Dodge Stratus
    05: Pontiac Grand Prix
    04: Hyundai Sonata
    03: Ford Taurus
    02: Chevrolet Malibu
    01: Chevrolet Impala

    the impala and cobalt are both in the top 10, so of course they have a great deal of sales. 5 of top 10 are GM.

    additionally, domestic automakers depend on fleet sales for 30% of total sales, and you can see how dependent gm is (particularly chevy with 3 top ten's). last i read, honda depends on less than 8% of sales being fleet and toyota under 10%.

    of course, besides historically poorer reliability, this is a big reason for resale values being driven down on domestic vehicles.

    the big 3 must cut their dependence on fleet sales, as it isnt nearly as profitable per car as private sales.
  • grosloupgrosloup Posts: 239
    Forgot to mention it, I was born in Ottawa Ont. and crossed the river to Gatineau Que. because of my work. But deep inside I'm still a Canadian and I'm proud of it. Thank you very much for your reply.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    The shift solenoid problem is not just a GM thing.
  • mopowahmopowah Posts: 68
    By most I mean EVERY car manufacturer that sells cars in high-volumes. Including your precious little Nissan. If I remember correct (which I do) Nissan was(is) definitely one of the worst companies out there in terms of initial quality. Statistics don't do.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    Well I don't lie when I say that all I've had to do in 3 years and 34,000 miles is a brake job on my precious Nissan. I can say the same thing about my 99 Civic before that (except that car didn't even need brakes).

    When you say that it's completely acceptable for a new car to have all these bugs and that's just the way it is, that's the lie. You don't ask enough of GM when you're plunking down 15 or 20 grand for a car. I guess that if it wasn't for guys like you giving them a pass for all their screw ups, they'd be losing 2 or 3 billion a quarter.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    There's no reason to say anyone is "lying". You just see things differently. Let's avoid the personal comments.
  • mopowahmopowah Posts: 68
    ...since their 30k Camry's have transmission troubles. Nevermind confusing this argument with facts that would contradict that statement such as JD Powers listing Toyota as one of the most reliable car mfg's in the world.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The Camry six speed does have some problems. The rest of the transmissions do not. Toyota is one of the most reliable cars you can buy. So is the Hyundai, with the best warranty available anywhere on inexpensive cars. Cars with standard side air bags.

    Any first year version in any make truly runs the possibility of some sort of bug within the workings. Best odds of finding more bugs is with a car made by the Big Two. Sorry but that is the way it is. The rest of the worlds cars may have the first year woes on some cars -- with GM and Ford, it is almost a given. The Ford Focus turned into a decent car, over time.
    P.S. you can add Chrysler and other German makes to the first and second year curse too.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    The Toyota transmission problems in the Camry are atypical whereas the Cobalt's issues are completely typical of the General. If this is the beginning of a trend for Toyota, they'll be knocked from their perch.

    Any car can be a lemon, but you're running a much higher risk of getting a lemon if you buy GM. If you want a trouble free car, look elsewhere.

    I was raised on detroit iron and used to be a GM apologist, but they've lost me.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Who said acceptable? I don't mean to make you angry, but you may feel more comfortable on another forum with the cars you like.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    If you can't be involved in a message board and avoid getting upset and calling other people liars because their opinion differs from yours (when there indeed was no mistatement of fact), than you may be more comfortable elsewhere.

    I enjoy a lively exchange of thoughts and first came here because I was considering the Cobalt for my wife. I don't think that I'll be buying one but do hope that the General will someday get back to making world class cars. Until they do, I won't be an apologist for them.

    No one here said specifically, "the problem is acceptable" but rather said things like "it's a first year problem" and "the solenoid problem isn't just a GM thing". That makes it sound like the writer thinks it's OK.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    Let me amend my last post: It was mohopaw that viciously called me a liar, not Poncho. I apologize in advance to Poncho and look forward to a continued lively exchange.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    There's no reason to say that anyone is lying and we ALL need to stop the personal comments. Please.
  • GM has improved very well over the last decade. The cobalt, with all its issues, is minor compared to the cavalier, and Cobalts issues really are not much.

    For 2006 i would hope most of them will be resolved though. GM's real problem is that the new aveo, although less expensive than the cobalt sedan, looks like it costs a few grand more.

    What do you think?
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I'm not sure what you mean by the Aveo comparison. I priced out the Aveo, Cobalt, and Malibu and similarly equipt models averaged about $4,000 or so difference between models. For instance a Cobalt vs. Malibu with similar features: loaded Cobalt sedan approximate $19,000, similar Malibu was $23,000. A loaded Aveo with everything was $14,000.
  • the new aveo, not the current one. The new Aveo, like we saw on the auto show circuit. That one isreally well done, and looks like its bigger than it really is. I saw cobalt sedans and they just look cheap to me.
    There is nothing wrong with looking cheap unless the same comapny has a cheaper car that looks more expensive.

    The cobalt coup though is very nice. I can't wait to see what GM does for the next generation of this car!
  • Even thou they sell BOAT LOADS of cars to fleets, if a company like Enterprise Rentals or Avis or companies in general trust GM to supply up to 30% of the domestic car sales, then there must be reliability. No business person would invest in 1000 Cobalts if they knew GM didn't offer a quality product.

    8% for Honda and 10% for Toyota, thats fine, each business has a different market they look for. If your using this as an example .. please try again. As for the history of poorer reliability, lets look at it this way, if you, company a, sell a product 1000 times and your competitor sells the equivalent product but only 100 times. Both of your products have a 1 in 10 chance of failiur out of the box, who gets labeled as having a poorer quality product, the person with more coverage.

    Fleet VS Private sale.. some things wrong with you comparison here.. FLEET = CORPORATE.. PRIVATE = YOUR BACK YARD!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    My guess is that they are looking for price for rental fleets.

    As for numbers of cars sold. The number one selling car in the World is the Corolla. Yeap, Toyota has been known to sell a couple cars. The reliability is based on percent of problems per, or number of problems per say 100 cars sold.

    Statistics look pretty good for GM cars since 2002, overall. The Cobalt may be a different story. It is sort of middle of the road, as they work out little bugs here and there. Consumer Reports was not too hot on it, but then again, it is a bit early to tell. How much data do they have. JD Powers, what they have so far, indicates it is sort of middle of the road. My experience with the old Big Three makes, is that it takes them two to three years to get the bugs out of new models. I don't think the Cobalt is a radical design, so I can't see how too many things could be a disastor though. And the engine is a proven one.

    Too many cars sold to fleet is never a good thing. Unless you want a used car cheap in a year or two, as the resale values lower on that model.

    As for jumping in a buying today instead of waiting, that is up to the individual of course. There are the worrying types and those will to take a leap of faith. If the car strikes you as a must have, and it makes you happy, buy the dang thing and be happy! Investment wise, used domestics make more sense, but some people prefer to be a first owner.
    In comparing cars, it seems the engine torque, as in low end grunt, is the advantage Cobalt would have over say the Civic. And price is pretty low. There are reason to buy or not to buy this car, like any car. If it matches the individual, then it is the right car. We could debate resale value, quality, reliability, MPG, and on an on, but in the end, if a person is happy with their personal choice, that's all that matters.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    New Aveo vs. Cobalt???

    Would personally like to see a car like the old Nova. A RWD car in a compact size, rather than the Aveo on steroids. They could keep the Cobalt as the FWD smaller car, and enrich the interior.

    Be sure to see crash test data on the new Aveo before considering it over any Cobalt purchase. It may be just the ticket for some people. Yet another choice in smaller cars. If you always wanted a Daewoo, and didn't get one, soon you will have yet another chance. It is said to have a nice interior. Well I hope all GM cars get a nice interior. One fine day, even a Cadillac CTS will have a telescopic steering column. :P
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    "Even thou they sell BOAT LOADS of cars to fleets, if a company like Enterprise Rentals or Avis or companies in general trust GM to supply up to 30% of the domestic car sales, then there must be reliability. No business person would invest in 1000 Cobalts if they knew GM didn't offer a quality product."

    this is too easy. ill be kind. rental companies dont buy based on reliability. they need a bulk of cars as cheaply as possible. they dont need to be reliable, because the major rental companies take them out of commission (i.e. they end up on used car lots) long before the major issues show up. this is why you see so many 2 yr old domestics on used car lots for half of what they cost new.

    the mighty chevy cavalier and ford taurus were two of the most available rental cars of all time. by your reasoning, then, these must be very reliable cars. fact: these two cars have two of the worst repair records in existence.

    domestic automakers dont sell tons of fleet cars because its their chosen philosiphy. at this point, they have to do it to survive.

    as for your 1000 cars vs 100 cars and 1 in 10 example :confuse: , another writer (m1miata) appears to have addressed that.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    Not everyone comes here to vent. Some people come to emphatically defend their preferred brands in the face of first hand accounts of unreliability and poor service or empirical evidence of falling market share, research reports and gallons of red ink.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,970
    I don't think so. I see so many Japanese cars going with 150k to 200k. Once a GM hits 100k, any day can be it's last day.
  • mopowahmopowah Posts: 68
    I've had Fords (Escort, Ranger, Windstar) and a Chevy (corsica). I know, they aren't the most glamorous cars out there and they handle like a bar of soap in a bath tub but as far as the engines go, I put 200k on my Ranger with the 3.0 v6 before getting rid of it. The Escort I put a 150k on was still running strong and it even survived a broken timing belt at 75 mph on the freeway. Just needed the belt replaced. No other repairs. The Windstar I have is going strong with 145k on the clock and the Corsica has about the same mileage and is also going strong. The days of the 100k engine are long gone by at least 10 years.

    I'd expect most engines in any make to last at least 150k these days.
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