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Lexus GS 300/GS 430



  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    Funny after I test drove the GS 300 I was disappointed big time with the "sporty car" they were advertising. There were other issues with the interior also. The GS 430 had a much better ride but if I spend that much money I was going to get the most refined and luxurious Lexus out there, the LS.

    The M35 non-sport interior finish was certainly luxurious (especially with black/rosewood) - sure it's not as luxurious as Lexus but wasn't that far off. As far as sporty - no contest - the Lexus drives like a Lexus, the Infiniti drives like a BMW. My 12-year old daughter thought the Lexus was too "girly" and the back seat was uncomfortable and difficult to get in to.

    Actual selling prices of comparably equipped GS 300 and M35 are not that different. I drove the Audi, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti and MB. Are the BMW and MB worth $10-15K more than their Japanese competition? I didn't think so but the German cars have outsold the Lexus and Infiniti the past two months. Too each his own.....
  • florida1florida1 Posts: 42
    Couldn't agree more---Wanted to like the heavily touted M but simply couldn't get over the lack of interior quality verses the GS or Audi--- Major difference


    M is like a $200 CASIO stereo (cheap bells and wistles etc) and the GS is like a finely tuned $2000 Pioneer Reciever
  • florida1florida1 Posts: 42
    I leased a GS 430 w/out ML and Nav for 36mos 36k miles nothing down $695.00 (w/out tax)---
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    The problem with your analogy is that usually a Casio will not perform better than a Pioneer. To call the technology features of the M, "cheap bells and whistles" sounds a little defensive. They both have similar technology with the exception of the lane-departure warning system of the M (questionable value). The Infiniti V6 is not a gimmick. The engine is universally praised. The V8 is also lauded for its smoothness. No doubt, the engines in the GS are very smooth.

    Remember, looks are subjective.

    They are both nice cars. The GS has the definite advantage in noise and MPG. Infiniti has the edge in sport and interior dimensions. Interior impressions vary depending on who you are. Some people think the matte finish on the wood in the M (and there is more wood in the M if you check the galleries on the respective web sites) is cheap-looking. Others can't stand the over-lacquered wood on the Lexus. As to exteriors, some people hate the rear of the M, while others think the rear of the GS looks bloated.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,327
    Hmmm, really. I've owned six Lexus' and therefore swear by their quality. I find that my new M35, however, measures up quite favorably. Therefore, this is obviously totally subjective and I can't agree with your "cheap bells and wistles" (sp) analogy. Moreover I found the quality of the plastic on the dash and interior upper door panels looking cheap and very un-Lexus-like.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    I've own Lexus' since 1992 and now bought a M35 and I agree with your quality assesment carnaught. I was a confirmed Lexus man and was all set to buy the new GS (at the time I didn't even know about the M35) but after driving it I said "that's the best they could do?". I was so disappointed that I continued my search and bought the M35. Infiniti targeted the BMW 5-series with the M and not the Lexus GS. Lexus said they targeted BMW but their actual target was former Lexus owners - not really a bad group of people to target!

    I found the latest comparison of the GS430, 545 and M45 in this month's Road and Track to be well written. Their take on the cars pretty much matched mine. Each car is excellent but targets different users. They also agree with us about the Infiniti's quality - not yet Lexus-like but getting much closer and better than the BMWs.

    I find it very interesting that the GS300 and M35 haven't been in a comparison test yet - a majority of purchases will be the V6 not the V8 models. I don't know if Lexus has any input into which cars get tested but the difference between the GS300 and the 530/M35 is far greater than the difference between the GS430 and the 545/M45. I would love to see this comparison but I think an AWD-V6 comparison would be more logical from the magazine's perspective. Road and Track has already commented that the GS300 AWD is underpowered.
  • damienwgdamienwg Posts: 39
    I second that emotion.

    Give us a E350, GS300, M35, 530i/525i comparison. And heck throw in the A6 if you've got the time. That's what most of us who want these cars are going to be driving. And such an article is of value to everyone even those who are looking for the higher end models. Conversely, there's no point in me reading about the E500, GS430, M45 or 545i, because they're all out of my price range.
  • jo2jo2 Posts: 41
    Just an FYI to anyone interested in pricing on the GS300 RWD

    I test drove the BMW 5 series, Audi A6, and the Lexus. I have to admit the A6 was nice but way too long. The 5 series was incredibly fast but way too expensive. So i got the GS 300 which was suprisingly quick but not overpriced.

    GS300 RWD

    MSRP 46,320
    13,800 miles per year thu US BANK
    39Month Lease

    2000 down
    634/mo including tax

    I went to the fleet manager who deals with more internet sales - He said the car was sold to me for 2k under sticker...

    Anyone who is leasing also might want to check out - they have very competitive leases but remember that they're prices do not include tax.
  • florida1florida1 Posts: 42
    Hmmmmm --We understand your remorse over buying the M---it's evident in your reply you're dealing with a tremendous amount of regret----don't sweat it, a few years from now you'll be able to step back-up
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,327
    Perhaps you misunderstood my post (#2227). My comment about the cheap looking plastic on the dash and doors was about the new GS, not the M.

    For the record, I have not buyers remorse and I am just as satisfied with the M as I've been with my past Lexus'. Look at the last sentence of post #2581 on the 2006 Infiniti M message board for a similar comment.
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    "For the record, I have not buyers remorse and I am just as satisfied with the M as I've been with my past Lexus'"

    and you are here reading the lexus forum to make sure you are satisfied and made the right choice. But are you sure?
  • florida1florida1 Posts: 42
    Relax---give it time you'll warm-up to the M in time
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Yeah sure. And if your credit was 750, they would say sorry it should be at least 760.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    I am assuming you live in Florida as do I. The Lexus prices in the Tampa area are totally outrageous. I'm also assuming you did the deal with Longo. Did you fly to pick up your car or did you have it shipped? If you had it shipped, how much was the shipping charge?
  • dgmcdermottdgmcdermott Posts: 10
    Just bought the 2006 GS 430 with the 430 standard alloy wheels. Noted moisture in the headlights. Dealer replaced the headlights a week later-and I noticed damage to two of the stock alloy wheels-the paint had been scraped off down to the base metal ion both the spoke section and also where the tire bead seats with the wheel

    My question is, are these new alloy wheels, susceptible to paint damage due to their construction or low profile. The dealer, thinks the damage was caused by his car washer machine. He will repair the wheels, but I am concerned for future paint damage, or do I have a set of defective wheels???
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    Actually I visit the Audi, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus and MB forums because I'm interested in performance sedans. When I first visited the GS forum I wanted to see if others had the same impression of the GS as I did. Many did - some even recommended that I investigate other cars for comparison. Turned out to be a wise move.
  • dgmcdermottdgmcdermott Posts: 10
    Noted two of my wheels are experiencing what appears to be paint chipping. Are these rims supposed to be painted??? Dealer says he damaged them in his car wash. It appears to me a car wash should not have damaged them or maybe I have defective rims-any ideas??
  • soulundersoulunder Posts: 31
    Just picked up 06' GS 300 on Friday (Black). Car is very elegant with a shine you can see yourself in. However, in direct sunlight I noticed many fine scratches on several areas of the car. I assume other colors wouldn't show as easily. Anyone know of wax/compound of some sort that will take these scratches out? Plan to wash next weekend and would like to know what to purchase.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,327
    On a new expensive car like this, I'd tell the dealer and have it professionally taken care of. That way they can't blame you for doing anything "wrong"..
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    You probably want to use swirl remover or another polish that removes fine scratches. Mothers swirl remover polish or Meguiars swirl remover polish do a good job.
  • Congratulations! I got the black exterior, grey interior (not my first choice interior but it was in stock and I had to have it NOW, but I do like the gray, it's grown on me). I had a couple of thin scratches too- had the dealer take em out and he did for the most part. The black is so silky looking and rich on the GS300, I just love it. Good luck with the car, its a beaut!

  • soulundersoulunder Posts: 31
    Thanks much to all for your responses. Bought the car at a dealership three hours away, therefore going back is not a great option. (Got a great deal though) I'll try the swirl remover on a small area to see if it works. Can either product be purchased at normal outlets like Wal Mart, Target or national auto parts chain stores? By the way, went to local Mercedes dealer today and every black car there had paint scratches (swirls). I guess thats par for the course with black cars. It is pretty though..
  • statmanstatman Posts: 12
    Here is some advice for caring for black cars. You will almost always see some light scratches or swirl marks. Unless they are deep don't use compound. Use the swirl mark remover for black cars (3m sells it). Very important, don't use anything but micro fiber towels on the car. Chamois is fine as long as it's clean. Terry cloth (normal towels) will create light visible scratches in black paint. Don't ever use paper towel on the paint. Don't ever dust the car with a rag as the dust will scratch the paint. I recommend you get a California Duster which works great with no scratches. For quick cleanups of water spots, bird droppings, etc you can keep some Armor all instant car wash sheets in your truck. It's like a giant wet ones and it doesn't scratch. A good quality wax hides most of the swirl marks too. Good luck, black looks awesome when it's clean and waxed. Find a good car wash. Enjoy. I got a silver GS with black interior. The black carpet is very hard to keep clean and shows all the dirt, but does look rich when clean.
  • Why is MSRP not a fair price? Isn't it what Lexus thinks is the fair selling price of a car? Isn't that why they put a MSRP on the car cuz it's the fair price for what Lexus puts in the car?

    In any car buying situation, the best deal you will get is the deal both you and the dealership agree on. What you think is fair isn't always the case, especially if it's way below where the market is.
  • howardg1howardg1 Posts: 14
    I also purchased the Silver GS-300 with the black interior. I was considering the Black/black, but as noted from others, the Black exterior was just too difficult to keep up, and the Silver looks sleeker to me (although, the Black has a more elegant look, at least when clean). Any special considerations in washing/waxing the Silver exterior?
    Have any tips for care of the interior. The black is difficult to keep clean. Do you use leather cleaner/conditioner on the seats? Use anything to protect the carpets?
    Any tips are greatly appreciated.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Oh gimme a break. Nobody around here pays MSRP!
  • dvaldval Posts: 13
    Good luck with your new GS! It is super in black, but a bear to keep looking that way. There's some good advice above and I would add NEVER take it to a car wash. I had a black 98GS400 for 6 years and it looked like new when I sold it. Also never wipe only wash and dry with terry towels.
  • I agree, taking your car especially a black car to a car wash is like taking your dog to the butcher instead of the vet- its just wrong. I hand wash my car with regular car wash solution and water and then use the yellow soft chamois, seems to do the trick and nothing difficult involved.

    btw- i'm still getting a fair amount of looks at the car from other drivers (i'm in charlotte NC) as mine is just one of very very few on the road at this point. This car is absolutely gorgeous. It's a great fit for a successful early 30's y/o male in my opinion.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Swirl remover can be purchased at Wal-Mart, Target, as well as auto parts stores like Pep Boys, Advance AUto Parts, & AutoZone.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Probably wouldn't be a bad fit for a very successful 60 year old male in MY opinion. ;)
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