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Infiniti QX56
On the Infiniti website, they are showing a little sneak peak on their upcoming SUV:
http://www.infiniti.com/form/global/FlashHandraiser/1,,,00.html
IMO, the interior better be pretty good because it looks just like the Pathfinder Armada
http://www.infiniti.com/form/global/FlashHandraiser/1,,,00.html
IMO, the interior better be pretty good because it looks just like the Pathfinder Armada
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Anyway, I went to infiniti.com to look at the preview of the QX56. I saw the not hard to see pictures they gave us and it looks just like the Pathfinder Armada. I would have no interest buying a Nissan truck or SUV, especially since seeing the pictures direct from the New York International Auto Show. The headlights seemed boring and I don't think nobody was anxious for it, only asking questions to a lady who didn't know anything.
How will it strike it's competitors? Edmunds.com says it will compete with big shots like the Cadillac Escalade&Lincoln Navigator which are the top luxury SUV's in it's position. Think I'm wrong? Look at 50 Cent's music videos (the rapper) and you'll see Hummer's or Cadillac's in the video. That is the only reason Cadillac has been trying to change it's old people image into the great Cadillac luxury brand, which I always supposed it was.
Critics will 'wow' it for the first few months and get tired of the vehicle and start talking about how close it is to it's brother/sister, the Pathfinder Armada from Nissan. Hope Nissan didn't get into copying vehicles, just like how there doing it right now with the G35 Sedan/Maxima and G35 Coupe/350Z Coupe.
gosh, if only EVERYONE bought a car based on its headlights...
instead of bashing a car or a company you dont seem to know much about, why dont you do some research and actually test drive and SEE the car before passing some judgements. i may be a nissan fan, but i dont go around bashing other vehicles just because i like nissan. if you dont like the car, thats your opinion, and thats fine...but be careful when spewing "facts"...make sure they are REAL and not something you THINK is real (see the G35/Maxima comment)
happy motoring :-)
-thene
i just get irked when people get all finicky because nissan is owned by renault and (dum dum dummmm!!!) they are french!
keep your political views out of the way, and test drive the car before you decide to trash it. its only fair!
the other thing that irks me is that nissan gets all kinds of crap for "rebadging" vehicles, when every other company does it too! and they also get knocked for the "boyish" tail lights on the altima...
hello? lets look at the RX300 and RX330! especially the 330, whats with the completely clear lights? those went out fast in the mid 90's
anyways, i dont want to get off topic here...sorry it turned into a rant of sorts (not angry of course!)
i really liked the new nissan armada, and i am interested in seeing what stylistic and functional changes they make for the QX56!
happy motoring
-thene
-thene
Nissan's Maxima I believe is too close to the g35. I don't know about you, but Infiniti/Nissan sucks, except for there Maxima and Z and G35. Nissan is turning into the GM of all Japanese vehicles. VW is doing it. BMW is doing it. They all have a lot of money, and still there doing it.
It isn't my fault. I love Cadillac's new vehicles and even if there on a platform, they look nothing once so ever like there cousins. But Nissan and the G35 look farmiliar. There too close in relationship and I hate that. I don't agree with some of GM's vehicles like the
2004 Canyon/Colorado
2002 Sunfire/Cavalier
They look too much the same. You can say they don't, but I think they do. You may think there wrong, but it is my opinion.
WSAG: WHAT?
OK, first of all, if the G is like anything, than its like the G. It is REAR WHEEL DRIVE. Caddy Escalade shares everything with the Subruban except engine and wood on the inside. They share more than the platform, my friend.
The '04 Maxima is FWD and the G is RWD. They have nothing in common but the engine, which share different outputs. The Max looks nothing like the G. I would like any proof of info where a real car site said a Max was like the G. The Max is the family sports car. The G is the Sports Sedan.
"Nissan is turning into the GM of all Japanese vehicles."
That kinda doesn't go with what you said in your first paragraph, dont you think?
The G35 looks NOTHING like any car on the road, espescially Nissans. If I knew how to get pics up on the message board I would show you(any help?).
How about this. Every GMC vehicle is a copycat of a Chevy. The H3 is based on the trailblazer. The Vue shares alot of its parts with the new Equinox, not just the platform. Just because they dont have the same headlights and taillights doesn't mean they aren't the same, they only trick the untrained eye .
"You may think there wrong", they are. An Escalade IS a dressed up Suburban. And Escalade EXT IS a dressed up Avalanche. A Navigator IS a dressed up Expedition. An Aviator is pretty much dressed up Explorer, but does some things to differentiate itself, not like teh Mountaineer.
Now I can post pics .
Navi and Expedition:
The Escalade int. vs. Yukon interior.
Go look at the specs between the max & g35 vs Escalade & tahoe and you tell me which is more alike.
Here are the specs:
WB g35 112.2 / Max 111.2
width g35 69 / max 71.7
Length g35 186.5 / max 193.5
wb Escal 116 / Tahoe 116
width Escal 78.9 / Tahoe 78.9
Length Escal 198.9 / Tahoe 196.9
The extra 2" in lenght is probably from the giant sized Cadilac emblem.
I won't even go into interior dimensions the tahoe and escalade are identical except for cargo capacity. The g35 and Max do not have any interior dimensions that are the same.
I think your paying to much attention to GM's marketing department that wants you to believe they are different when actuality a Escalade is a Tahoe with a few different parts and more content.
your pics prove my point nicely...
I have my opinions and I will keep them. Nobody is going to change my mind. I don't like how they do platforms. The Escalade doesn't look at all like the Suburban to me, at least. if you think it does, maybe it does to you. Nobody is going to change my mind.
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What does it matter if it has RWD and the Maxima has FWD????? Obviously one has RWD and the other one has FWD... but they can still be on the same platform. I will agree that the Escalade shares the same dashboard as the Suburban but no way agree that there styling is the same.
Final and Last #3
I will not bring this topic back up.... especially because this specific board is about the 2004 qx56.. not arguing about the resemblence of the G35/Maxima. I had my point and I will not change it....
What are your opinions? Please don't fight with me...
But the FACT is that they don't share platfroms, G35 is on the FM RWD platform, the Maxima is on the FF-L platform.
Since you had the last post about their resemblence and completely ignored the pics I posted up of the Expedition/Navi, Yukon/Escalade, I will post pics of Maxima and G35.
Max:
G35 sedan:
Now, to keep on topic, Yukon vs Escalade
opinions are just that, opinions. you may say the g35 and the max are almost alike, (based on maybe the headlights? i dont see anything else remotely in common) but the FACTS prove you wrong. you have the option of keeping your opinion as is (which then makes you ignorant to the truth) or you may change it based on the facts presented to you. it doesnt make you less of a person to change your opinion, ive done it many times.
so while we have presented evidence proving that the max and the g35 are not identical, you have yet to prove your opinion on the escalade not being the same as any other GM product like the tahoe or the yukon. you just state your opinion that they look different.
well, its hard to take someone seriously when they cant provide some truth behind their argument.
its also funny that you call nissan/infiniti the GM of all japanese vehicles, yet you have this passion for cadillac. if nissan/infinit sucks, and therefore are the GM of japanese vehicles, wouldnt it hold true then that you think actual GM vehicles suck? therefore making your beloved escalade suck?
large suv's are not only about rap stars, families dont DRIVE them only because they see 50 cent driving one in his videos...
i think the qx56 will bring a rugged suv with luxurious interior to the market along with japanese quality that the american carmakers dont seem to have a grasp on yet. this is MY opinion.
happy motoring!
-thene
Some spy pics of QX56 from thecarconnection.com:
I am not dumb. I did not ignore your pictures. You proved the dashboards of the Yukon/Escalade were the same. I understand that. but the styling does look that alike. I have looked at the facts. You say the Gm Marketing Development crew is tricking me. Well, look at that. Renault/Nissan is obviosuly tricking you. They use the same STYLING. They don't have to be on the same platform.
Anyway, the picture of the Qx56 spy pictures that carpeople showed me shows a Pathfinder Armada, just with different headlights. The taillights are the same and so is the body of the vehicle, the roof.
I do not want to fight with you, so you can feel that you can think that way, but I have my own opinions. Please stop quoting me. i don't want to fight with you, i was just bringing up my points for you to see some kind of resemblence. I saw the resemblence with the Yukon/Escalade and I admited it. If you don't have anything good to say at all to me... don't say anything at all... We can move on and talk about the Qx56.. now.
GM TrailBlazer/Envoy/Bravado
Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade
Suburbon/Yukon XL
Ford Explorer/Mountaineer/Aviator
Expedition/Navigator
Toyota 4Runner/GX470
LandCruiser/LX470
I am interested in the PF Armada and probably won't consider the QX56 mainly because of price. I drive an 01 Pathfinder and bought it over a QX4 for the same reasons. This doesn't mean the QX4 and QX56 are bad vehicles in the same way the Escalade and Yukon are not bad vehicles merely because they are based on other platforms.
As far as styling, every mfg has similar styling within their brands. An Expedition is styled like an Explorer. All of Cadillac's new vehicles have the same styling.
AS for the QX56 I really am just a spectator, I don't know much about it and am curious on what it will have over the PF Armada besides the Infinity name.
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"AS for the QX56 I really am just a spectator, I don't know much about it and am curious on what it will have over the PF Armada besides the Infinity name."
The best thing to seperate them apart I would say is give them different power numbers. The Titan gets 305hp and 379 lb-ft torque. The Armada has 305hp and 385 lb-ft torque. If they could bump the torque number up by another 5, that would be remarkably amazingly best choice, considering they already have the top torque numbers in the truck(I think, I dont know) and fullsize SUV segment(sure of).
For Endurance engine outputs, go to:
http://nissannews.com/corporate/news/2003/relmatt2003081395316.sh- tml
looks like this car will do much better that the Escalade with its sexier, yet funky, styling and advanced features including NEWTECH VVT on its new "T-SERIES" line of V8s.
wow!
Frankly, I prefer the Armada. From what I can see it's little more than an Armada LE with all the options. Adding wood accents to the interior doesn't impress me, and I prefer the front end styling of the Armada. It sort of looks like the offspring from a one night stand between an Armada and a Dodge Ram from the front.
Bob
I would rather have the Armada over the QX56 same exact truck just with some wood in the interior and a boost of 10 HP. The extra 10HP wont make that much of a difference in the long run when towing. All your paying for is that Infiniti name plate. I took an Armada for a test drive and it does ride a bit better then the GM full size trucks I drive for the NYCT.
I'm going to ask a lot of questions on what I might be getting for what seems like $6,000 MSRP or more extra on top of those allowances. Perhaps I'll see one at the auto shows in January. On the other hand I chose a Navigator over an Expy 5 years ago and haven't regretted it.
btw, the dealerships have the new literature now if you want some glossy photos and specs.
Adaptive cruise control
Xenon headlights
Much better sound insulation
Rear view camera (need it on a rig this size)
Ability to order the DVD and power sun roof together (maybe I just had an uninformed Nissan rep)
LED taillights
I currently own a Hummer H2 and will be trading it in on a QX as soon as it hits the dealers March 1 (deposit is in). Not wanting to upset anyone, but the other so called large luxury SUV's (Escalade, Denali, Nav) are based on dated platforms and the ride/handling shows. I opted for the Hummer due to its solid feel and offroad capabilities, along with differentiating itself from the pack. However it is still a GM product and has the "little" issues of quality and sucks gas like you wouldn't believe.
The Armada handles like a much smaller vehicle and has gobs of power in relation to its size...anyway just a short note on the key differences of the Armada vs QX debate...
As I said, it is the ugliest car...
Pathfinder Armada, you're not so far behind...
All of Infiniti's cars excluding the G35 are ugly, and truly most people think it's a fact....
If people think it, it is an opinion. If people know it, it is a fact. Seeing as the reaction of anyone to the asthetics of a vehicle is purely subjective, then what you are talking about is an opinion, not a fact.
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