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Yup, on a purchase you are WAYYYYY off.
I got an inital first offer quote for 41,300, only 3,900 0ff MSRP.
Pretty aggressive quote. There is only a $2k incentive for purchase.
Volvo XC 90 3.2 Premium Pkg/ Convenience Pkg/Climate Pkg/ Blind Spot infosyst
Navigation Sys/Wood steering Wheel/ Elec control all wheel drive/ Metallic paint
for a 24 month lease 10,500 miles a yr
MSRP $47,470
however since the dealer gave discount the lease is based on this price: $42,870
not paying the taxes at signing but dividing that into 24 months
at signing COD is $1,749.84 includes: 1 month lease 1 month tax banking fee etc.
Buy back $29,906.10
Monthly lease payment including tax $621.63
Any comments? Good deal????
But the XC90 3.2 can be had for a whole lot less than a Cayenne, a BMW X5, or a Toureg and gets higher mpg. This is my wife's car, and in April 2007 she went to only one dealer (Volvo of Richardson, Texas) and accepted their intial offer of $32,910 before TTL. Texas sales tax (6.25%) and dealer fees, etc. came to $2314. My contribution to the negotiations was to answer in the affirmative to her question to me, "Based on your online research, is this a fair deal?"
I don't know if she could have gotten it cheaper with some shopping around, some hard bargaining, or insincere dramatics (crying, chaining herself to a fixed object in the dealership, whining that Volvo was taking advantage of her status as a retired person on a fixed income, claiming that she was an especially good person who cares about others, etc., etc., etc.).
She declined any and all extended warranties and chip insurance. She was in and out in about an hour with our joint assets reduced by $35,223.55, by far the biggest single hit ever.
This 3.2 L inline 6-cylinder engine is rated at a maximum about 235 hp at some high rpm value like 5500 rpm and at a maximum torque of about 236 lb*ft of torque at about 3200 rpm. For purposes of acceleration the torque value is really irrelevant to the operator. Only the max hp rating counts, if you don't care about pushing the rpms up to 5500 rpm. And if the engine designers have done their job right, then the engine can take this. And if the tranny and control systems designers have done theirs right, then the tranny will select the right gear for a good compromise between fuel economy and acceleration. In practice I have never pushed it above 5000 rpm and she probably never goes above 4000.
The available V8 engine would give better acceleration, but only at the expense of lower mpg. The 2.4L 5-cyl TDI diesel (about 180 hp) would give much higher mpg (especially with the 6-speed manual tranny), but would give much lower acceleration, and it is not currently available in the US.
My only worry about the new Volvo designed/Ford manufactured, 3.2L inline-6 (Volvo short inline six) is that it might prove to be more expensive to repair than a standard design inline-6 or a V6. Only time will tell on that. I personally am enjoying having a new design where all the ancillaries (alternator, water pump, PS, a/c) are driven off the back of the engine (over the transaxle). Google the Volvo short inline six (Volvo si6) and read about it.
My only worry about the new Volvo designed/Ford manufactured, 3.2L inline-6 (Volvo short inline six) is that it might prove to be more expensive to repair than a standard design inline-6 or a V6. Only time will tell on that. I personally am enjoying having a new design where all the ancillaries (alternator, water pump, PS, a/c) are driven off the back of the engine (over the transaxle). Google the Volvo short inline six (Volvo si6) and read about it.
Good job on the XC90.
The D5 will be available in the US in less than 2 yrs.
As for the repair costs of the SI6, I can't think of any modern engine that is going to be cheap to fix. They all have expensive,hard to get at components.
The SI6 has no timing belt,so maintenance costs will be less.
I found on the internet a 2005 2.5T good service record, 29k miles, loaded with heated seats, rear sensor, certified w/ warranty until 2011. Price was $27,900 and he came back with best price of $26,750.
Is this a good deal? Can I get him down any lower on a certified 2005 with 29,000 miles?
I picked up my 05 V8 with climate and touring packages today. The CPO warranty will end in 2011. The price I paid is $29100+TTL which is $2900 below the initial asking price and $2k-3k below edmund TMV on the certified vehicles.
I assume you already get the TMV from the edmunds for the cars you are looking at. If not do it first. You might want to bargain a little bit harder. Now is the end of this month. Dealer is normally willing to negotiate more.
Best wishes.
$3k down
36 months
12,000 miles/ year
disposition fee - $450
$410/ mo +tax = $450 month (including Nav & DVDs)
Is this a good deal? I didn't ask about "money factor" or "residual". Do I need to do more homework? Please advise as I'm new to the car leasing process. Thanks!
Certified. 25k miles.
Paid $25,000.
I think i got a great deal.
(pkg is diff suspension, chrome inserts, 19" wheels, piping on seats, etc)
The vehicle has Xenon headlamps
Backup alarm pkg
Pretty much loaded ($54,800 list)
Lease for 2 years with total out of pocket including 1st month of $1,000
15K miles/annually
monthly payment of $688 plus tax
with $1,500 total at start ( $659 month plus tax)
Is this a good deal or not?
AWD
Climate
Premium
Versatility
DVD
$46,525 MSRP
$39,047 sale price (includes the $2,750 Volvo sales event and $750 Garmin credit)
10,500 miles a year (63% residual)
.00087 mf
$1,600 due at signing which includes first month's payment AND a dealer-installed Sirius satellite radio
-----$507/mo. for 24 months, which includes PA's 9% tax.
I think I did pretty well considering I couldn't get any other dealer to offer me this deal on the car I wanted. Thoughts?
Was the 36,284 Out-The -Door.. Or did you still have to pay taxes over that price. Also do you mind sharing the dealership where you pruchsed the Volvo from. Thanks.
Horrible mileage, 13.6 over 2 years, mixed highway and local.
about 10k per year.
Multiple issues, noises, adjustments needed. We had it in for repairs about 6 times, 3 of them for more than 2 days.
Dealer was very good to us, but that only goes so far.
It needed tires after only 20k, no one would honor any type of warranty on them.
My wife doesn't drive any different than her last 5 cars ???
It has FORD all over it, can't wait until the lease is up and it goes back.
We will never get another volvo or ford because of this.......
The Michelin 4x4 Synchrone tires (never been rotated), size 235/65-17, have no unusual wear, but appear to have about 5 mm of tread left in front and 7 mm in rear. (I just used a mm ruler.) I inflate them to 40 psi cold (tire sidewall states 51 psi max infl pressure). We may have them swapped front-to-rear, same-side, because we don't get them rotated frequently enough to prevent a set due to long term unchanging rotation direction.
We get about 15 mpg straight city and maximum of 24-25 mpg highway when driven carefully for fuel economy on level interstate highway at 65-75 mph, hand calculated from pump volumes and trip odometer readings. Repeated comparisons of the computer results show that the computer gives an mpg which is 4.0 % higher than that calculated from the fuel pump volume readings.
The new EPA estimates for the XC90 3.2 fuel use are about the same as the Acura MDX, BMW X5, and other similiar vehicles. We find the XC90 very comfortable on trips with our 3 dogs.
The only deficiency was that the CD player didn't work and the dealer replaced it, I think upgrading to the multi disc player at no charge to us because the first new (single disc) player also didn't work for them in the shop. We never use the CD player.
So far in 2008 we have travelled 2118 mi on 118.8 gal giving 17.8 mpg with no long highway trips. Every couple of weeks we take a local highway trip of about 150 miles.
This may be a little low. Our straight city mileage may be 16 to 17 mpg. Naturally, this depends on the amount of short trips, which are mpg destroyers.
Oh, I offered on one that was gray/off black. They have two more in willow green/sandstone (both have about 7000 miles). Does the sandstone hold up to a little dirt pretty well? I kind of prefer a beige interior - it doesn't seem to soak up the summer heat as much.
Btw, does anyone know about any changes the 09's are going to have in terms of pricing and equipment?
2005 XC90, V8 AWD, Nav, DVD, 36k miles, $28,127 (not including $300 tax). I talked them down from 32,900 which was clearly inflated. Wondering if I can get them down a little more. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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