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  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    After aditional research on S2Ki.com, it turned out that people were using GM Synchromesh - Friction Modified. This lasts longer that GM synchromesh regular MTF. AnythingbutGM, I guess this is what you used, judging by your description...
    I went and picked up 4 quarts - two at a Chevy dealership and two more at a Caddy dealer across the street. Cost me $8.70 / quart at Chevy and $$11.50 / quart at the caddy shop.
    I will be replacing the MTF this weekend and post my first hand experience soon.
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    Yup, that's the stuff. I had posted the info with a pic that was too large and therefore removed by the mods. Glad you found out before throwing in the non FM stuff.

    Curious about your results. I have been extremely satisfied since the switch.

    Cheers!
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Many Thanks for the prompt response and the intent to help out! Beleive me, I am very curious to see if I can get rid of the issue. Other than this and some squeaks and rattles (I can only hear them when driving slow and it happens over rough pavement mostly), the car has been a real joy!!
    I will certainly post my findings. They keep saying that the GM SFM has a low lifespan but, i think it is well worth it, so I can discover the true pleasure of one of the slickestshifters on earth!!
    I will be getting the MTF swapped this w/e and I plan on perfecting my heel toe shifts starting this evening so, if I bust the clutch, I don't have to go in again :D

    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    The guy who changed mine out recommended that I change every couple of years or roughly 15,000 miles. I only put about 6k per year so ymmv.

    Hope all goes well. I think you'll pleased with the results.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Great!! I guess I wouldn't be so lucky since i liv in NJ. There have been complaints about GMSFM not quite cutting it during winters. Let's see how it goes. Thanks again!!
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Hi Anythingbutgm,
    Got the MTF swapped over the w/e. Here's teh scoop: The shift has definitely improved. It may well be due to the fact that it is new fluid.
    The notchiness is about 40% reduced so far. I can't say it is all gone. It HAS been said that it could weel be 2 weeks before it is all gone so, I will hold my judgement till then.
    I also got the rear diff fluid changed; I see oils leaks on the floor. (My usual mechanic was on vacation with his son and minions running the shop - The guy that took my car in was clearly in an S2k for the first ever time in his life - He was fumblinhg with the keys for two minutes until I walked by and showed him the start button). I will be going back for a new fan belt and oild change next week and I will get it checked then.

    Chers!!
    --njexpress
  • rubyrubinrubyrubin Posts: 2
    Hi -

    I was greatly interested in converting my 2001 to a 2002 top... where can I find that document? i couldn't find your email address to write to you directly, but my email address is in my profile. Or maybe a link? Any help would be SO greatly appreciated! Thanks!

    - Aaron
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Folks,
    I got my supply of Zaino exterior products last night (Z18, ZFX, Z2 Pro, Z5, Z6 and Z7). This should take care of the paint part but, I am not sure how to gloss up the headlamp and tail lamp covers. The covers are in good shape except for blurriness; My baby is almost 5 years old (MY 2002) and it shows when you look at the lamps. The smoked gray effect makes things worse.

    Should I use a buffer? If so, what kind of buffer?? Thank You.
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
    P.S: Rubyrubin, thought I saw a PDF on s2ki.com. I am not sure what site it was exactly. Try googling the topic.. Good Luck.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    The blurriness on the lamp covers turned put to be wax buildup over the years. The Dawn detergent wash took care of it. My baby now looks spanking new and glossy :shades: . Zaino really did the trick. I am yet to get the liquid red fnish but it might take a few more details to get there. Besides, It's not like detailing a black vehicle where you see the best results (after the most effort, naturally).
    It definitely looks showroom new. I guess I was shooting for the "Show car" new finish. I did not use the grand finale spray and that could be why I didn't quite get the finish.
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • I was a past owner of a 2004 S2000 and drove the car for about 2 years. I loved how precise the vehicle drove as well as how low maintenance it is. Several things drove me crazy about the car on any surface besides the most perfectly paved roads: the car has rattles that won't go away, nor the dealer was able to find. One of the rattles was isolated by me to the passenger seat belt when there's no passenger. The other rattles and ticks seems to originate from the convertible top and clasp. Ultimately it was those rattles as well as how "high strung" the vehicle felt on highway cruising that let me to sell the vehicle and get a Porsche 996. Do others have similar problems and if you did how did you fix it?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Can't say that I've had much in the way of rattle problems past the 60K mark in my '04. The top can rattle on bumps every now and then. That's about the only big one.

    To redsoxgirl (sorry to be late to the discussion) - I've been driving my S2000 in Detroit for several years, summer and winter alike. Blizzak LM22/25s and a couple hundred pounds in the trunk make it passable. Not great, but passable. I haven't wrecked it yet :) I do run into problems if there is more than a couple of inches of standing snow on the bigger roads - then I'm either coming in late to work or borrowing a ride from someone. Fortunately I've only had to deal with this a couple of days each winter, most times the main roads are cleared enough by rush hour traffic that the S2000 can get through with the Blizzaks.

    I saw the new '06 at the dealership. Kind of like the seats and the stereo, and stability control--nice. Otherwise, pretty much the same. Got word that the '07 S2000 is coming and expected to be largely unchanged from the '06.

    I also noticed that (as far as I can tell) the EPS (electrical power steering) has been removed from the '06 in favor of a traditional rack-and-pinion setup. What happened here? This was something of a surprise...
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    :surprise: 60k on a 2004, wow that is a lot of driving for 2 years... Cool!
  • I might possibly be that the EPS made the car drive too "high strung". The EPS on my 04 when I had it felt very sensitive... which is great on windy roads and switchbacks, but horrible on high speed cruising on the highway. Downside is if they went back to hydralic power steering that will take away from ultimately the power that the car can put to the wheels... which I guess was a selling point earlier S2000 were promoting.
  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    I had trouble with rattles coming from where the convertible top attaches to the A pillars, on my '01 S2000. I had the "receiver" for the clasps replaced with new ones that are meant for the hard top. This change COMPLETELY cured the rattle. It now fits tighter and NO rattle whatsoever. Cost was about $150 at the dealer.
    This is a well described problem; I think more common in earlier model years. There was a Honda Service Bulletin describing the "fix" that my dealer did.

    Hope this helps someone with rattle-aversion.
  • kwinterkwinter Posts: 5
    :confuse: Can a S2000 get into a driveway with a cement drain spoon/dip. I am not sure if that is what it is called but basically it is the pretty typical cement dip which sometimes is installed for drainage in a development and you need to go over it to get in your driveway! Does the S2000 drag on these? What about speed bumps? I noticed that the 2002 had a clearance of 133 mm. Is that was that what the 2006 has? Does this cause a problem. I have one of these cement dips just before going into my driveway straight on. Do you think I can't get in without scraping? Have they raised them any since 2002? Any information would be appreciated. I have a 2006 on order.
    Thanks
  • kwinterkwinter Posts: 5
    Do you have any problems with road clearance issues like getting into driveways or going over speed bumps? We have a driveway which has a typical cement rain drainage dip right at the driveway entrance like so many developments do. Any concerns?
    Thanks
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Folks,
    I have had issues - The most painful one was this: They were paving the top most layer of my street two weeks ago as construction was nearly wrapped up in our development. Consequently, they cleared the gravel and stuff at the entrance to my driveway and WHAM!! The bottom of the front bumper rreeeaaallllly scraped against the road as I was backing out. I tried to mitigate the damage the next time around by nosing out and a saw a repeat performance on the rear bumper - It felt as painful as my own back being dragged against the street at 8 mph.... The one way you could avoid this is by raising the angle of inclination with paving stones /tiles. These are the flat brick ones, not too thick, cost you about a dollar a piece at Home depot. (I removed mine from my Hardscaping and used it temporarily until they finished paving the top most layer).
    Bottom line: There are issues!! Watch out and Hopefully, your babies don't go thru' the pain mine did. It doesn't show, but you WILL know, by looking at the scratch marks left on the driveway!!
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • jatdeejatdee Posts: 19
    Just got my 2004 last Wednesday. Black, 6000 miles, looks like perfect condition to me. Paid $24,000 to a private party, which looked like a very reasonable price based on research I did (this is in Texas). Had been thinking about it for a while, and every now and then checking the newspaper ads. You should be really careful about checking ads - sooner or later there will be one that can't be passed up! Am really enjoying it, but having an issue with the blind spot with the top up, and also with my driveway.
    The left outside mirror does not turn out very far. I am used to adjusting the left mirror so that a car coming up on the left moves into that mirror a little before it leaves the inside mirror and is still (just) visible in the left mirror when it comes into my peripheral vision, or at least I can see it if I turn my head. Here a passing vehicle moves out of the range of the left mirror and I cannot see it even looking over my shoulder. If the car is passing me, I normally would know it is there, but sometimes in traffic someone will be cruising in that blind spot and I cannot see them. The question, finally, is whether anyone knows if there is any way to change the range of adjustment of the mirror? (I don't need it to turn in so far that I can check in it how I look, so less far turned in and more turned out is what I need.)
    As to driveways, I had a little issue with mine, but found that going in at a sharp angle made the necessary difference, because the front sticks out quite a bit further in the center than at the corners. Once the front is past the scraping point, I turn up the drive and have not scraped the rear, except very lightly sometimes. Going straight in I scraped both front and rear. Really hated to do that the first day I had it, though nothing shows, it still hurts, as njexpress said.
    Have enjoyed reading the forums for quite a while, and am glad to be able to join as an owner. The car does take some adjusting to, and I am not sure I could have it as my only car, especially when the top has to be up, but sure do look forward to driving it.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Welcome to S2KNation! I am sure you will have the tme of your life with your S2K like all of us here.
    There is an useful article under:
    http://www.s2ki.com/Home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=295&Itemid=60-
    I am not sure about the rules of our forum here: I hope I am not breaking any of them by posting a diret link here _ If so, Dear Host, Please feel free to let me know :)
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • kurtosiskurtosis Posts: 3
    Hi all:

    So my younger brother goes out to lease a S2000 excited about their $299/month $3,693 total due at signing promotion. He was so excited that he signed the papers for $0 down, $445 a month (including NY tax and all that) right there after inquiring about no money down option. He calls me up and asks me to help him pick the car up tomorrow and told me about his "wonderful" deal. However, after reading this forum, it doesn't seem that way. So basically he signed the lease papers and is supposed to pick the car up tomorrow.

    My question is, is there any way to "return" the car since he didn't drive it off the lot yet? Someone told me there is a 24 hour or 3 day return law (i live in NY if state laws matter). I just want to be able to negotiate a better price for him.
  • jatdeejatdee Posts: 19
    Thanks for the link - and the welcome. The article is helpful. Looks like at least one other person has had my problem of the mirror not adjusting enough (seems to be more of a tall guy problem) - apparently there is not a fix, except to replace the mirror with a convex "objects are closer than they appear" mirror. I'll have to think about that; hopefully most of my driving will be top down.
  • I just read that 2006 is the last year for the S2000. My husband and I have been wanting to buy one for years, and we just decided now was finally the time -- and then I read that this is its last year. Now he is worried about it being "dated" and about its resale value. Should these be concerns? It's "replacement" will not be a convertible, nor will it be priced anywhere near the $30K mark. Your thoughts and opinions, please!
  • rubyrubinrubyrubin Posts: 2
    I'd say that's more good news than bad. If it is discontinued, then its value should go up (eventually), but it is already deemed a "collector's item"...now it can finally live up to that billing. I would guess that the value of this vehicle will only be positively affected (i.e. it won't go down in value as fast) if this is indeed true. just my .02
  • eliyaleeliyale Posts: 13
    There hasn't been an official statement regarding the future of the S2000. As of now, all signs point to there being a 2007 model.

    I wouldn't worry about the car becoming dated, and I certainly wouldn't worry about its resale value. If anything, the value will be positively affected when Honda stops making new S2000s. Honda has no plans for a direct replacement for the car, so there will be no newer, better model to overshadow the current model. The S2000 will most likely be a "timeless" car.

    Buy one. I was also on the fence for years, and I finally decided to go for it. I have absolutely no regrets. The car is an absolute blast, and I have never gotten the number of positive comments from others that I have with this car. I love it. You will too.
  • jkgreer2jkgreer2 Posts: 42
    I would not expect any changes for 2007 except for loss of the Suzuka Blue exterior. I agree with recent posts, the car is a blast to drive. Bought one about two months back. I do not regret buying the car. The only way to improve the car would be to add . . .(can't say risque things here). So buy one. Pack your one bag (each). Put a blanket in the trunk and go to an outdoor concert or just for a drive with the top down. Life is short, enjoy it now. Regards.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Folks - Think about it - (I did post this earlier) - Seven model years @ 5000 units a year, with roughly 50% of it shipped stateside - You are one of the 17,500 proud and elated S2k owners in the whole US. That is less than the number of Viper guys out there (I saw this on TV and according to some high ranking goodfella from TeamViper, there are 20K vipers out - 20K is also the number of Camrys built in Kentucky in 120 days, if they truely sell at least 60K camrys a year in the US- which I am sure Toyota does).
    How exclusive is that????
    Think about yourself as an owner 10 years down the line:
    It gets even rarer and as long as you maintain it like an average Civic, It WILL stay bullet proof. Needless to say, we would definitely maintain it much better and show it the respect it deserves (I have owned mine for 4 months now and it has been detailed once already besides the biweekly washes and the fluid swaps). This car is literally issue free, except for routine stuff.
    SO - ten years from now: You own a great limited edition sports car that went out of production a decade ago and it also happens to be in pristine condition...
    I don't know what could make you feel better? Owning a restored 300SL gullwing that was originally driven by some celibrity, perhaps??
    And, If what I read on s2ki.com is true, the replacement will most likely be a four seater Acura (GXA?)- They didn't word it like that - But since Honda is expected to become 100% citizen class and Acura will be all perfo-lux going forward:
    Nissan reactivates the GTR (as an Infiniti) and Toyota brings back the Supra. Honda would rather present their high performance offering as an Acura and still keep the prices comprable with Supra / GT-R. Make sense? I would welcome more thoughts on that :)
    Bottom Line: I would not hesitate to buy an S2K now - If it happens to be the final MY, then more power to the owner - It will last even longer than the others and claim top ching-ching!! Speaking for myself, I bought mine knwoing fully well that the S2K could possibly be sunsetted a year from now and I felt very comfortable AND HAPPY in making that financial decision.
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • All indications from Honda point that there will be a MY07 edition of the S2000. They have announced the addition of new colors and elimination of others (actually, maybe just the elimination of a color, I can't remember). Looks like no major changes. Of course this does not mean that it is 100% there will be a S2000 next year, but dealers have been spreading the "this is the last year for the S2000" for at least 3 years now. I'd say their motivations seem quite clear and I'd take what they say with a grain of salt (if you don't already).

    NJexpress, I agree with your sentiments, but I believe your unit sales are a bit off (that sounds like a really weird thing to say). I am currently looking for the link, but I believe that Honda has been selling upwards of 8000 S2000s in the US alone the past several years.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I think your numbers are a little off. If I am not mistaken, Honda imported roughly 5,000 to 7,000 S2000's per year to the US between late 1999 and now. There are probably close to 50,000 in the US.

    On the other hand, I believe that Toyota and Honda produce more like 300,000+ Camrys and Accords annually for sale in the US. So the idea of the S2000 being exclusive is still valid.

    I now drive a 2005 Porsche 911S Cabriolet. But I could still make a case that my 2002 Honda S2000 was an extraordinary car that, on a dollar for dollar basis, was every bit as impressive as the best from Porsche. I could probably make that claim even if Honda priced the S2000 at $40k+.

    The fact that the S2000 is a limited production car is a bonus for those who value exclusivity. But exclusive doesn't necessarily mean better. The S2000 is - at least than anything else short of a $60k Boxster S.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    If my numbers are a bit off, then, I stand corrected :surprise:
    I could have sworn that I read somewhere that we only get 2500 a year stateside. Oh well, Irregardless - By S2K exclusivity coupled with Honda reliability - My point is this: This car will be a keeper and you will look cooler sitting in an S2k 12 years from now than you do today :) And, the fact that this car will still get you your money's worth then, if we decide to sell it at that point, will only make us grin wider :D :D :D
    Have a great weekend with your S2K(s)!!
    Cheers!!
    --njexpress
  • >>> And, If what I read on s2ki.com is true, the
    >>> replacement will most likely be a four seater Acura
    >>> (GXA?)- They didn't word it like that - But since
    >>> Honda is expected to become 100% citizen class and
    >>> Acura will be all perfo-lux going forward:

    That article was actually a joke. They later admitted that the story about the S2000 being replaced was completely made up. It's too bad they didn't make it more obvious that they were lust kidding - a LOT of people got suckered.

    Honda dealers have been playing the game of saying, "200x is the last year for the S2000" for the past several years. Great way to get people (who were otherwise going to wait for a few years to buy an S2000) to sign on the dotted line. Then again, I doubt there's much Honda could do to significantly improve this vehicle, so why deprive yourselves? Buy one today and enjoy the finest sports car you can find for less than $60,000.
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