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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600

    Hi what's the rv mf and promotion for lease this month?

    Lease term?

    Miles per year?

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    asc1234 said:

    Just got a dealer quote in NY on a 36/7.5k lease, ~$3700 down (just fees, taxes, and first month), and ~$670/mo. Optioned up to ~$58k. This competitive? Thanks.

    .00129 and 60% for 36/7.5.

    We need both the MSRP and the adjusted cap cost to figure a payment.

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  • Martyr2671Martyr2671 Member Posts: 12
    what is the rv for 36/10 and 12?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024

    what is the rv for 36/10 and 12?

    .00129 MF and 59%/58% residual

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  • asc1234asc1234 Member Posts: 2
    Michaell said:

    asc1234 said:

    Just got a dealer quote in NY on a 36/7.5k lease, ~$3700 down (just fees, taxes, and first month), and ~$670/mo. Optioned up to ~$58k. This competitive? Thanks.

    .00129 and 60% for 36/7.5.

    We need both the MSRP and the adjusted cap cost to figure a payment.
    Got more detail today. 36/7.5, $3700 down (just fees). MSRP $57,520, adjusted base $54,500. $670/mo. Confirmed .00129 and 60%. He offered to throw in the maintenance, and if I didn't want it, he'd lower the adjusted base to $53,500 or $641/mo. This competitive?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    asc1234 said:

    Michaell said:

    asc1234 said:

    Just got a dealer quote in NY on a 36/7.5k lease, ~$3700 down (just fees, taxes, and first month), and ~$670/mo. Optioned up to ~$58k. This competitive? Thanks.

    .00129 and 60% for 36/7.5.

    We need both the MSRP and the adjusted cap cost to figure a payment.
    Got more detail today. 36/7.5, $3700 down (just fees). MSRP $57,520, adjusted base $54,500. $670/mo. Confirmed .00129 and 60%. He offered to throw in the maintenance, and if I didn't want it, he'd lower the adjusted base to $53,500 or $641/mo. This competitive?
    I confirm the calculations.

    Only way to improve on them is to negotiate a better selling price.

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  • mav_168mav_168 Member Posts: 4
    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am.
    Msrp- $62,385
    Discount- $59,200
    Down payment- $7,000
    36 months
    7500 miles
    Payment- $637.00

    The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024
    mav_168 said:

    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am.
    Msrp- $62,385
    Discount- $59,200
    Down payment- $7,000
    36 months
    7500 miles
    Payment- $637.00

    The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?

    .00129 MF and 60% residual.

    If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax.

    That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras.

    Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.

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  • mav_168mav_168 Member Posts: 4
    kyfdx said:
    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am. Msrp- $62,385 Discount- $59,200 Down payment- $7,000 36 months 7500 miles Payment- $637.00 The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?
    .00129 MF and 60% residual. If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax. That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras. Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.
    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024
    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:

    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am.
    Msrp- $62,385
    Discount- $59,200
    Down payment- $7,000
    36 months
    7500 miles
    Payment- $637.00

    The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?

    .00129 MF and 60% residual.

    If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax.

    That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras.

    Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.

    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 

    Which state and what tax rate?

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  • mav_168mav_168 Member Posts: 4
    kyfdx said:
    kyfdx said:
    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am. Msrp- $62,385 Discount- $59,200 Down payment- $7,000 36 months 7500 miles Payment- $637.00 The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?
    .00129 MF and 60% residual. If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax. That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras. Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.
    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 
    Which state and what tax rate?
    North Carolina and 6.5%, THANK YOU
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024
    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:

    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am.
    Msrp- $62,385
    Discount- $59,200
    Down payment- $7,000
    36 months
    7500 miles
    Payment- $637.00

    The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?

    .00129 MF and 60% residual.

    If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax.

    That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras.

    Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.

    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 
    Which state and what tax rate?

    North Carolina and 6.5%, THANK YOU


    If we assume $2000 for first payment, acquisition fee and title/license fees, then that leaves $5000 for CAP cost reduction.

    With a CAP cost of $54,200, the payment is $584/mo.+tax = $622/mo.

    That's not a long way from where you are at $637/mo.
    To lower the payment, you would have to negotiate a lower selling price.

    We don't really recommend making large downpayments. It just serves to make the car seem less expensive than it really is.

    With $2000 upfront, the car is $729/mo.+tax = $776/mo.

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  • mav_168mav_168 Member Posts: 4
    kyfdx said:
    kyfdx said:
    kyfdx said:
    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am. Msrp- $62,385 Discount- $59,200 Down payment- $7,000 36 months 7500 miles Payment- $637.00 The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?
    .00129 MF and 60% residual. If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax. That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras. Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.
    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 
    Which state and what tax rate?
    North Carolina and 6.5%, THANK YOU
    If we assume $2000 for first payment, acquisition fee and title/license fees, then that leaves $5000 for CAP cost reduction. With a CAP cost of $54,200, the payment is $584/mo.+tax = $622/mo. That's not a long way from where you are at $637/mo. To lower the payment, you would have to negotiate a lower selling price. We don't really recommend making large downpayments. It just serves to make the car seem less expensive than it really is. With $2000 upfront, the car is $729/mo.+tax = $776/mo.
    What about miles? How does that factor in? They gave me 7500 when I should at least get 10k. 
  • mhogan55mhogan55 Member Posts: 5
    Looking for May residual and mf numbers in KS for a 2016 c450 amg - 36/10. Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    mhogan55 said:

    Looking for May residual and mf numbers in KS for a 2016 c450 amg - 36/10. Thanks!

    MB numbers are set to expire today, 5/2/16. New numbers should be available later this week.

    .00129 and 59%

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024
    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:


    kyfdx said:

    mav_168 said:

    I need some help guys. I ordered a 2016 C450 and ran some numbers with the guy. I haven't taken delivery of the car yet but the guy ran numbers with me and want to know if im getting burned because I feel like I am.
    Msrp- $62,385
    Discount- $59,200
    Down payment- $7,000
    36 months
    7500 miles
    Payment- $637.00

    The guy said he couldn't give me a better discount because I was ordering the car. Any HELP?

    .00129 MF and 60% residual.

    If the selling price = CAP cost, then $729/mo.+tax.

    That $7000 upfront can disguise a lot of extras.

    Ask for an adjusted CAP cost and a reconciliation of the numbers, along with the money factor being used.

    I wanted to keep my payment down but it's looking like I should have started with $5000 down. How low do you think I could get a payment with $7000 down? 
    Which state and what tax rate?

    North Carolina and 6.5%, THANK YOU
    If we assume $2000 for first payment, acquisition fee and title/license fees, then that leaves $5000 for CAP cost reduction.

    With a CAP cost of $54,200, the payment is $584/mo.+tax = $622/mo.

    That's not a long way from where you are at $637/mo.
    To lower the payment, you would have to negotiate a lower selling price.

    We don't really recommend making large downpayments. It just serves to make the car seem less expensive than it really is.

    With $2000 upfront, the car is $729/mo.+tax = $776/mo.

    What about miles? How does that factor in? They gave me 7500 when I should at least get 10k. 

    Going from 7.5K/yr to 10K/yr will lower the residual by 1%. That will raise the payment about $18/mo.

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  • firehose24firehose24 Member Posts: 19
    Looking for MF and RESIDUAL on 2016 c 450 in NY   36/12 and 36/10. Thank u 
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600

    Looking for MF and RESIDUAL on 2016 c 450 in NY   36/12 and 36/10. Thank u 

    .00129 and 58% / 59%

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  • firehose24firehose24 Member Posts: 19
    Thank you. Question for you , are these numbers you normally have to negotiate for with dealer or pretty standard ?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600

    Thank you. Question for you , are these numbers you normally have to negotiate for with dealer or pretty standard ?

    The residual is set by the bank and cannot be altered.

    Dealer is allowed to mark up the MF for more profit.

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  • firehose24firehose24 Member Posts: 19
    Thx guys. Very helpful
  • YortyYorty Member Posts: 9
    2016 c450 7.5kmiles MF and residual? thanks 36/7.5 in PA.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    Yorty said:

    2016 c450 7.5kmiles MF and residual? thanks 36/7.5 in PA.

    .00129 and 60%

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  • YortyYorty Member Posts: 9
    Are rates likely to change within the next 3 months and or other promotions? Debating on placing a pre order to arrive in 3 months or getting a car in inventory...
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    Yorty said:

    Are rates likely to change within the next 3 months and or other promotions? Debating on placing a pre order to arrive in 3 months or getting a car in inventory...

    Can't predict what will happen 3 months down the road. Can you still place an order for a 2016?

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  • YortyYorty Member Posts: 9
    I hope so I will know tomorrow for sure if I have the green light aparently it's getting through... I already put down the 1000 deposit so I hope so! Got 7500 off msrp was 12%.
  • YortyYorty Member Posts: 9
    Does that sound like a decent amount off msrp? It was almost a 63k c450 so 12% off msrp is sale price. 
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    Yorty said:
    Does that sound like a decent amount off msrp? It was almost a 63k c450 so 12% off msrp is sale price. 
    We don't track selling prices but 12% seems pretty healthy. 

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  • mxjet830mxjet830 Member Posts: 22
    I am new to this forum and would like to run some numbers by everyone. Looking to find out if this is a good deal

    2016 C450
    Msrp $62,940
    Cap Cost $ 56,389
    MF + .00119
    Residual 58% ( 36,505.20)
    Money Down $ 2,390
    Monthly Pay $711.26

    Lease is for 36m / 12k miles.

    I read putting extra money down is not such a great idea to get my payments lower. Is this a good deal and how else can I get my payments lower

    Thanks
  • sebzx79sebzx79 Member Posts: 53
    You can save your self 60 bucks a month by doing 10 msd and auto pay.
  • mxjet830mxjet830 Member Posts: 22
    sebzx79 said:

    You can save your self 60 bucks a month by doing 10 msd and auto pay.

    Sorry for the silly question 10 MSD?

    The MF also does already include autopay
  • sebzx79sebzx79 Member Posts: 53
    MSD (multiple security deposits) each deposit gets rounded to the next 50 dollars so if your payment is 699 each one would be 700. You can do Max of 10 and each one lowers your money factor by .00007 or .0007 if 10 are used. This lowers your rate by over half which saves you about 60 dollars a month. Once your leaself is done you get the money back from MB Financial.
  • sebzx79sebzx79 Member Posts: 53
    MF Of. 00119 is 2.89%
    MF of .00049 is 1.17%
  • mxjet830mxjet830 Member Posts: 22
    sebzx79 said:

    MSD (multiple security deposits) each deposit gets rounded to the next 50 dollars so if your payment is 699 each one would be 700. You can do Max of 10 and each one lowers your money factor by .00007 or .0007 if 10 are used. This lowers your rate by over half which saves you about 60 dollars a month. Once your leaself is done you get the money back from MB Financial.

    Thank for the help. I looked into the MB First Class Lease Program for MSD and it explained it pretty good. The only thing I had trouble finding is if NJ is participates in this option. I emailed them and are waiting back to hear.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,024
    mxjet830 said:

    sebzx79 said:

    MSD (multiple security deposits) each deposit gets rounded to the next 50 dollars so if your payment is 699 each one would be 700. You can do Max of 10 and each one lowers your money factor by .00007 or .0007 if 10 are used. This lowers your rate by over half which saves you about 60 dollars a month. Once your leaself is done you get the money back from MB Financial.

    Thank for the help. I looked into the MB First Class Lease Program for MSD and it explained it pretty good. The only thing I had trouble finding is if NJ is participates in this option. I emailed them and are waiting back to hear.

    NJ should be fine. New York does not allow MSDs.

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  • sebzx79sebzx79 Member Posts: 53
    I am in NJ and it is allowed. (Did it in april)
  • jmrr426jmrr426 Member Posts: 5
    Hello,
    I was wondering what others are getting for MF and residuals on a 36month/10k lease (in MA specifically)?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    jmrr426 said:

    Hello,
    I was wondering what others are getting for MF and residuals on a 36month/10k lease (in MA specifically)?

    .00129 and 59% for 36/10

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  • jmrr426jmrr426 Member Posts: 5
    Michaell said:
    Hello,
    I was wondering what others are getting for MF and residuals on a 36month/10k lease (in MA specifically)?
    .00129 and 59% for 36/10
    Thanks Michaell.
    Do you think these numbers will change drastically for next month?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    jmrr426 said:


    Michaell said:

    jmrr426 said:

    Hello,
    I was wondering what others are getting for MF and residuals on a 36month/10k lease (in MA specifically)?

    .00129 and 59% for 36/10

    Thanks Michaell.
    Do you think these numbers will change drastically for next month?

    Change? It's possible.

    Drastically? Probably not.

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  • dteekingdteeking Member Posts: 22
    Hi Michaell, do you have June's MF and RV on a 2016 C450 for 48 months and 10K miles per year? Thanks.
  • dteekingdteeking Member Posts: 22
    I just got word from three dealerships that the 48 month numbers are MF buy rate=.00129 and RV=54%. Auto pay MF=.00119.
  • tscherer12tscherer12 Member Posts: 5
    Hi Michael, by any chance do you know what MF and RV is for 36 month 10K and 12K miles per year on 2016 C450? Thanks
  • tscherer12tscherer12 Member Posts: 5
    In Atlanta if it matters. Thanks again.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    dteeking said:

    Hi Michaell, do you have June's MF and RV on a 2016 C450 for 48 months and 10K miles per year? Thanks.

    dteeking said:

    I just got word from three dealerships that the 48 month numbers are MF buy rate=.00129 and RV=54%. Auto pay MF=.00119.

    I confirm those numbers.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600

    Hi Michael, by any chance do you know what MF and RV is for 36 month 10K and 12K miles per year on 2016 C450? Thanks

    In Atlanta if it matters. Thanks again.

    MB numbers are national.

    .00129 and 59% / 58%

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  • tscherer12tscherer12 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks Michael
  • tscherer12tscherer12 Member Posts: 5
    MichaelL, I noticed on one of the previous posts that there was a discount for auto pay taking the rate from .00129 to .00119. Do you know if that is also the case for the numbers you just provided me? Thanks
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600
    MichaelL, I noticed on one of the previous posts that there was a discount for auto pay taking the rate from .00129 to .00119. Do you know if that is also the case for the numbers you just provided me? Thanks
    Yes that is still true

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  • tscherer12tscherer12 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks!
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