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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • 06ltd06ltd Posts: 25
    Wife's car. Limited with all but sat radio, spoiler, and mud guards. Want to add mudguards and third-party door trim. Love the Nav; jury's out on the laser cruise. Comfortable, luxurious, fast, and efficient. Wish it had folding mirrors and mirrors that dip when parallel parking. Would prefer stiffer suspension, but want the Limited bling and am concerned that the stiffness might cause chassis/body noise problems as miles build. Great value.
  • 06ltd06ltd Posts: 25
    Sounds like Fitzgerald. Although I was once a mechanic in college (back when you could see past the engine block to the shop floor), I no longer do my own work. After the warranty period is over, the car goes to a good independent. I go to Fitzgerald now and have for some time with prior cars. I've found them to be quite good and honest (unlike many dealers) if expensive.
  • Yes, I know there are a number of good after-market remote start systems. We put one on my wife's Hyundai.

    BUT, if I have an Avalon Limited with Smart Key, I think there will be no way to avoid carrying the Toyota fob in order to open the doors and start it "locally". I definitely do not want to carry TWO fobs.

    I'm wondering if there are Limited owners who have either

    1) Found an aftermarket remote start that takes the place of the Smart Key fob in every sense


    2) Found a way to extend the range of the Toyota remote starter to something closer to the 1000ft range commonly found on aftermarket units.

    I know this is a long shot -- just wondered if others have solved the problem. OR, if others have found that Toyota's range is actually much greater than the claimed 80 feet.
  • 3puttmax3puttmax Posts: 119
    06ltd -

    Please update us when you do get the firmware update. There are others of us (or at least me) still interested in integrating the iPod into the Avy. Thanks.

  • havalongavalon,
    Yes, the Avalon did come with the Michelins. They are the Enery MX type. Seem to be good tires.
    We had some real icy roads today....snow melting, then refreezing, etc. The Blizzaks were great.
    The FWD Avalon was a risk for me, but I felt better about it with the Stability/traction control included. Everything ok so far.
    Didn't realize Vancouver saw so little snow! We can get anywhere from 35 inches to 120 inches per winter in Anchorage. Varies greatly.

  • 44394439 Posts: 21
    I talked with a company in regards to installing an after market remote start for my Limited. He said that it would be impossible. The transmitter inside of the FOB needs to be present to start the car. If he would install a remote start it would turn the engine over but the engine would never start. The remote start would need to come from Toyota. He said some car companies allow you to extend the range of remote starters but Toyota is not one of them. Every February there is a convention with new auto inventions and updates...... he stated I should contact him after this time to see if something new has come along.
  • Thanks very much, 4439. This is about what I expected but wondered if someone out there could confirm it. This is the great thing about these forums -- collective knowledge!

    Thanks again.
  • I am negotiating to buy with Sport City Toyota in Dallas. Probably will be Touring or XL (I don't like the fake wood or extra electronics on other models.) Did you get a dealer invoice when you purchased in Texas? Specifically, did you have the items M.A.F., T.D.A., P10-HB, Finance Reserve, Base Veh HB? I expected the delv/proc/hand of $635.

  • angeange Posts: 158
    I ordered a Limited because it was a bargin for me. All of the extras for somewhere around 2000.00 sounded good to me. Different rims, tires, has rear view mirrors with markers, auto water sensitive wipers, smart key, heated seats, better radio, and more. The car is quiet on a smmoth road with all of the insulation used. The steering is a bit heavy, could use more assist. The front end is heavy and dips down at stops. The brakes are good. The grill, with the laser speed control, located at the passenger side, looks weird. They should have set the grill off with a similiar opening on the opposite side. Rear window view leaves alot to be desired.

    Owners hve been commenting about the distortion in the rear window. There is a reason for this, cost. If Toyota can speck out a windshield without disortions, why can't they do the same for the rear window. Despite the issues, the car, overall, is a good one. ange1
  • dajabdajab Posts: 35
    Don't contribute often, but happy to oblige your question. We wanted leather seats, so we began with choosing the touring, but then took a test drive. The stiffness of the suspension created too uncomfortable of a ride; that, and the lack of stability control (2005 year), moved us to consider a higher-end model. We only briefly toyed with the idea of getting an XLS, however; the Limited had simply too many good things for a modest increase in price. What a deal! The clinchers, believe it or not, were the Nav and the preset seat/mirror positions, which were only available in the Limited. No more need to adjust things after my wife drives the car; I just wish the rear view mirror adjusted as well.

    Best surprises AFTER buying are the smart key and auto wipers. The car recognizes me when I approach and enter: I don't even need to push the memory buttons; the seat and mirrors automatically move into my positions. The Nav is everything I thought it would be, and more. Despite what others say, I find it easy to use and very accurate. I don't think of it as costing $2000; I'm really paying only $1 per day for it in my car payments, and that's really worth it.

    Biggest disappointments are things I have yet to see mentioned here: the lack of a day/night mirror and the "automatic" climate system. The "automatic" rear-view mirror appears to respond to the total amount of light hitting it, not to the intensity of any one light source hitting it. So, a very small but intense source (like a distant headlight behind me) still is fully reflected in the mirror and into my dark-sensitive eyes. The mirror does not "green out" until the car approaches closely behind. In the case of the climate system, the automatic sensors seem to compare the *outside* temperature to my desired temperature, not the inside temperature. Even on a cold day, the car interior can be quite hot if it has sat in the sun; yet, the auto climate system will continue to blast us with hot air. (The reverse has also happened in the summer with the A/C.) I'm constantly adjusting the temp and fan to try to keep comfortable.

    All very minor complaints, however. We're very glad we bought the Avalon (we had been considering a Maxima). We've never looked back, and we really like the car.
  • zekeman1zekeman1 Posts: 422
    Even on a cold day, the car interior can be quite hot if it has sat in the sun; yet, the auto climate system will continue to blast us with hot air. (The reverse has also happened in the summer with the A/C.) I'm constantly adjusting the temp and fan to try to keep comfortable.

    Think you should have your dealer check to see if it's functioning correctly; I have an LTD and once I set the temp on auto, I don't touch it again, regardless of the temp outside, whether it's summer or winter.

    While Maxima is a nice looking car, think you made the right choice, too. I had considered Nissan but saw their resale values - far below Toyota. Same thing holds true with Infiniti vs Lexus.
  • alan_salan_s Posts: 362
    My moonroof has started rattling when open. Anyone else have this problem, and if so, did the dealer fix it properly?
  • I have a 2005 XLS without Navigation. I bought it right when they came out and very few were shipped with Nav. I would now like to add Navigation. Is it just a matter of Toyota switching out the cassette player with the Nav brain?

    I am only interested in Toyota factory installed... not after market systems.

    Does anyone know if this can be done? Thanks!
  • zekeman1zekeman1 Posts: 422
    Nope. Spoke at length w/my dealer about installing the system after the fact - can't be done. From what I have read on this board re the Toyota NAV, I'm heading for an aftermarket, probably Garmin or Magellan, even though in my opinion, windshield brackets & power wires look tacky in a luxury car.
  • Try this site ( prices seems a little high. I am able to get extras from my dealer at $150/each.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The NipponDenso, Denso US, climate control design has several flaws. One of those is the fact that in the summertime when the interior has been heated while setting closed up in the hot sun the system will immediately go into recirculate airflow mode instead of first exhausting the cabin's HOT atmosphere via using fresh mode.

    At least the actual manufacturer knows to advise you to lower rear winddows during the early part of your drive to help exhaust the hot atmosphere.

    Since the blower motor being turned on is delayed until the A/C builds enough cooling capacity the best procedure to use in this circumstance is to immediately turn the blower to MAX manually, then over-ride the system airflow intake mode into fresh, and then once the majority of the Hot(ter) cabin atmosphere is exhausted simply touch "auto".
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It's really critically important to decide before you buy the car whether or not you really need navigation.
    If you don't get it, you can live without it just like you had previously, but if you want it, get it at the time of purchase.
    This is like transmission choice of manual or automatic or paint color. If you change your mind, it's more practical to sell the car and buy a new one than to change out the parts needed to undo your original mistake.

    However, there are a few portable nav units that can be used completely wirelessly for several hours on battery power so there would be no dangling wires, but they would need to be recharged (or batteries replaced) after use if you choose not to keep it plugged into a power port while in use.
  • I'm curious, what car have you had whose HVAC reacted differently than the Avalon's. All I've had, under the conditions you mention, recirculated the air when on AUTO.
  • angeange Posts: 158
    We learn something every day. Learning the heating system I found something new. As temperature dropped down to about 25 F, I tried to get heat out of the bi-level mode. Everytime I selected the bi-level mode the air conditioner comes on. When I try to operate on heat, I can only get the panel or floor separately and the defrost mode . Getting heat at the chest level and floor level at the same time is not an unreasonable feature. I cannot get bi-level without air running. I don't think it is a good practice to have air conditioning running in the winter time. Am I missing something? Are all Limited cars that way? I know some people set the temp on the automatic system and never touch it again, other to adjust minor changes.Several friends also replaced their compressors along the way doing this. Gas mileage suffers with the air on. One mile per gallon goes a long way these days.

    In the manual, on page 226, it states;" when you set the temp selector setting at about the middle in automatic operation,"I am not sure what the middle means. I never checked the upper and lower limits. What happens if you don't set it at the middle?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    To my knowledge there is no automotive A/C compressor that continues to operate below about 33F OAT. To do so would result in freezing airborne moisture, condensate, to the evaporator vanes blocking all system airflow.

    That being said NipponDenso, Denso US, actually has a US patent pertaining to their method of airflow distribution within the passenger cabin. Their A/C plenum, air distribution management, is setup such that heated airflow is only routed to the lower portions of the car, and cooled airflow to upper portions.

    So anytime the cabin atmosphere is at or very near the temperature setpoint, the airflow from the upper airflow outlets, dash, etc, will be as much as 20F cooler than will footwell airflow in the very same circumstance, setpoint, etc.

    Since they take no accounting of radiant heating effect to the human body, only using the cabin's atmospheric temperature for feedback to the HVAC control loop, the system will quite often remain in cooling mode, all airflow or the majority thereof, from the dash or dash/footwell combined.

    If you find the cool dry airflow to your face and upper body discomforting it will be up to your to switch the system to strickly heating, footwell only, airflow mode.
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 49
    Since the weather has gotten colder I have been blasted out of the car by a loud rattle from the passenger side. After 28 yrs in artillery I can barely hear anything but this thing is horrendous. After about 10 minutes of driving it eventually goes away. My wife drove it this morning and she felt it might have been from the sunroof and since I never argue with her she is probably right. I have checked several posts and have not seen anything that goes indicates the rattle goes away when the car has warmed up.

    Has anyone else seen/heard this?
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    to answer your question in a word, no. It may be easier now to get some discounts on any Av simply because supply is starting to catch up with demand. Actually starting to see a selection of Avs on some dealer lots. Last April, it was very difficult to find a dealer that even had one, never mind one willing to negotiate a bunch. Got about a grand off. The curse of being a car nut, always seem to want to buy cars in high demand. Still don't see a lot of Avs on the road down here in Houston, maybe because, like Dallas, the PU and SUV capitals of the world! Invoice a very nebulous figure, in any case, especially with these $1700.00 option packs that GST is putting on the car. Good luck, but can't imagine that any dealer will get his price down to the the nitty gritty you are anticipating - the Avalon's market price still dictated by the demand for the vehicle?
  • My moonroof started rattling 1 month after I bought the car. Bring the car back to the dealer and have them check it out.
    I have brought mine back 2 times already for servicing. The first time they shortened the springs, 2nd time they bent the bar that goes across the moonroof.

    Still rattles sometimes. I was told to bring it back when I can duplicate the rattle so they can figure out whats going on.
    My rattles are and I dont necessarily have the time to bring it in when I get a rattle. When I do have time, they dont...

    We need more people to speak up about problems and perhaps make it into a service bulletin and let toyota know that we deserve to have a rattle free car for all the money that we paid for it!!!

    Lets hear from more rattlers!
  • Ive noticed 2 types of rattling, one is the front passenger seat belt rattles on the side when nobody is in it. This may not be the case when your wife is in the car.

    The second rattle is most likely from the moonroof/sunroof. Mine is so tight that it's like a guitar string and hums when its plucked (ie hit a bump in the road).

    Bring the car back to the dealer and see if they can duplicate the sound. More than likely its the moonroof.

    Good luck, let us know how it all worked out.
  • jayvisjayvis Posts: 76
    Safety systems in passenger vehicles that operate on our nation's road system should be top priority for every auto maker even if it limits the vehicle's performance. Some of us have gotten so brainwashed by the industry rags into thinking we all have the right to push a vehicle to it's limits and a great car is one that can make us believe we are all Mario Andretti, that we've forgotten why the automobile was originally invented. To get from point A to point B efficiently and in relative safety and comfort as compared to the standard modes of transportation at the time. Driving should be considered a privilege and should be done with the utmost responsibility. If people want to drive wrecklessly and push their vehicles to the limits, it should be done on a closed course facility and in a specially licensed vehicle that has it's safety systems deactivated. :mad:
  • jayvisjayvis Posts: 76
    Remote starters should be outlawed. They waste gas and are detrimental to our environment. :mad:
  • jayvisjayvis Posts: 76
    This is another unfair tax law that only benefits those in states that have low or no state income tax. The normal person in the majority of the states in this country will never pay more sales tax than state income tax in a year's time.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    safety being top priority - agreed. 'Even if it limits vehicle performance' (which they generally do) - this is where I have an issue, because it is also possible that these artifically low limits may effectively make the vehicle less safe. Granted, things like VSC will generally help the average driver much more than it will hurt, but it is the VSC systems that also need the 'drive by wire' and corresponding computer systems to do what they do. So we also pay a price in those inexplicable little electronic gremlins that now help control our engines, brakes, transmissions etc and then, we wonder why the car is making its own decisions. Don't know that we can expect to be able to have it both ways. And yes, soon I do expect those governmental do-gooders to mandate VSC and other safety related systems as soon as it becomes cheap and PC enough to do it - something I'd hate to see.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    " and PC enough....."

    You forgot to mention "perfected" enough.

    I have absolutely no objections, problems, with the VSC (PSM), trac, ba, etc, as implemented in my 2001 Porsche C4. It gives me just enough time to react myself and "crank" in the corrective action before it steps in to prevent loss of control.

    Actually I can say the same thing about these new electronic aspects of my RX300, we can't all be mentally "on our toes" constantly so its really nice to have someone or something, watching your "back".

    Toyota and Lexus have already discovered that the yaw sensor signal can be used to dynamically remove engine torque from the front to prevent loss of directional control. I have little doubt that the next move will be to disable ABS unless the yaw sensor indicates loss of directional control is threatened.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Porsche would naturally 'assume' a higher level of driver competence than what we would certainly find in the Avalon driver so therefore, if it did have a high level of system intervention, they would be ruining an otherwise great car.
    Lexus has just developed something called VDIM (don't know exactly what the acronym is) that supposedly senses an impending collision and will disable and modify all kinds of things prior to 'impact'. Except, of course, the computer may have a little trouble determining whether this impact is really imminent or, for that matter, exists at all. Recent test of the GS, had a high speed lane change type of manuever (600' slalom) - the car's ability thru the change was limited because the 'computer' thought the traffic pylons used for the closed course were an impending collision. And, I think, that there is some widely held misconceptions that somehow VSC and/or other systems are true replacements for some driving common sense and driving ability.
    But, also of concern to me is "Who" from the land of supreme beings is going to make these decisions for us - hopefully, not the same lawyers who wrote our owner's manuals or! They might just outlaw fine machines like that Porsche of yours.
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