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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Sorry, sad to say, but there are times, definitely, wherein it is advantagous to turn off or disable the Trac system.

    My example was/is accelerating out of a residential street into traffic on a main thoroughfare and having the rear wheels on my 1992 LS400 slip/spin just briefly on wet "plastic" crosswalk paint/striping. The rear brakes go "thump, thump," to alleviate the wheelspin which is now already history but now my engine is fully dethrottled and I must wait seemingly EONS out in oncoming traffic before Trac gives me throttle control again.

    I can understand the logic of providing a Trac disable capability on RWD vehicles but not FWD but I don't agree with it. Wheelspin/slipping on a RWD vehicle will be a lot more benign and recoverable, generally, than the same incident on a FWD vehicle.

    There are times in adverse weather conditions when some wheelspin is desireable, say for rocking the car back and forth to get out of a "hole".

    And by the way, my 2001 AWD RX300, summer tires always, "eats" wet or fresh snowfall for breakfast. It's the packed snow or ice or thawed and refrozen snow that requires me to use the chains.

    Not by any means saying that the wet or freshly fallen stuff can't be hazardous if you overdrive your stopping or stearing capability.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    FWD vehicles are absolutely the optimal solution all around. Right up to the point wherein you wish more of that front contact patch were dedicated to lateral control and not engine drive torque, leading or lagging.

    For most modern day FWD vehicles the only sure way to accomplish that is to quickly shift into neutral when the need arises. The AAA is currently recommending exactly that.

    Yes, FWD with a Trac system that INSTANTLY brakes a slipping driven wheel or wheels and just as instantly dethrottles the engine so the front contact patch can be dedicated to maintaining directional control (assuming the resulting engine compression braking isn't too great for the level of traction) makes FWD the absolute BEST solution for 99% of today's drivers.

    You may notice that many modern day FWD vehicles' transaxles are automatically upshifting, some radically so, on closed throttle operations, "coastdown", to alleviate the potential for loss of directional control due to engine compression braking.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    so we have now beaten to death what Trac can and cannot do and heard from any owner that finds it difficult to even drive his Av on snowy roads. I can relate a dry road incident (high speed violent swerve under acceleration) that allowed me to avoid an accident that I really think I could NOT have done if I had VSC.
    These systems are options on Avalons, money well spent??
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    For those with continued skepticism (or criticism) re my caveats about Trac Systems in snow conditions...........
    Here's a clip from an excellent website entitled "How Stuff Works":

    "Traction Control in the Snow

    Many people mistakenly believe that traction control will prevent their vehicle from getting stuck in the snow. This couldn't be further from the truth. Traction control does not have the ability to increase traction; it just attempts to prevent a vehicle's wheels from spinning. For drivers who routinely drive in snowy and icy conditions, traction control, antilock brakes, and snow tires are must-have safety features."

    So, I say again: "Do not expect miracles in snow conditions from any Traction Control System."
    (Ergo--Do not condemn your Avalon Trac system if miracles don't happen when expected!)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's move on from the traction control issues. I think we've fully explored the ins and outs of that system and problems with it are really more suited for the Maintenance & Repair board rather than taking over this discussion.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Howinheaven do I always get stuck in these predicaments?? ;)
    Sorry if we got carried away on that topic Pat. Intent was to be helpful, because there really is a huge misunderstanding by a great many people re what those devices can and cannot do.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    That's fine. It's just time to move on, so let's grab some eggnog and do so. ;)
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    Is this far enough away, Pat?. Are Avalons hot, or what. A police pursuit Avalon - Get outta here. Discuss this. forward/2005/november/images/large/photo6.jpg
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    This is the pursuit Avalon. Better have twin turbos though.

    link title
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    I have a Limited with, of course, "Smart Key" ignition. I do NOT have remote start. So, when I get in the car to start it and let it warm up, I must remain in the car because, once I exit the car, I can find no way to lock the doors while the car is still running. Is there a way to lock the doors with the car running while I stay warm in the house?
  • yup dude i saw thoes pics month ago damn the blue one is HOT !

    wonder when TOYOTA is gonna make body kits for our cars :(
    i already designed few lips with photoshop ! youl be stunned when u see them :D

  • zekeman1zekeman1 Posts: 422
    Not that I'm aware of. Have you checked to see if the car can have the Toyota remote start installed after-the-fact? Believe there's already been a discussion whether you can install an aftermarket unit in an Avalon with the Smart Key ignition...think the answer was no. Have you checked with your dealer?
  • I need to mount a front license plate. I see the indentations for the screws. But is the some type of bracket that holds/supports a front license plate?
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    Toyota sells a real nice black, plastic front license plate bracket that hooks into the grill on the bottom and screws into the two indentations on the top. It should sell for $7-$15.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    Thanks for taking the time to respond. I really didn't want to purchase the remote start as I didn't think I'd use it enough to warrant the price of it.
  • Yeah lock it with your remote.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    No can do. The remote is disabled while the engine is running. Likewise, the lock switch in the car will not lock the doors when you exit and leave the engine running.
  • I've had my 06 Touring for going on a month. I've sat back and read all of the articles about transmission hops and "searching for the right gear", etc.

    At first, I was skeptical. I noticed the hops a bit, but it didn't bother me.

    Today, I decided to use the manual shift. I kept it in fourth for most of the ride, and used third and fifth once in a while. I could not believe how much smoother and relaxed the ride was. I think I've found a new way to drive the Avalon, and now in retrospect maybe the tranny is a real detriment to what's otherwise an outstanding drive.

    Has anyone else experimented with this method of avoiding the gear issue?
  • hi guys i would like to show u my future plans on my avalon and hope they make similer aftermarket front end for us :(
    anyway tell me what do u think guy :)

    Before :

  • altoalto Posts: 7
    where can u buy one?
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    The original looks much better.
  • just__mejust__me Posts: 508
    [bahraini_zupraThe original is much nicer. Sorry, I don't like the change you posted here. But different strokes for different folks, do what you think is best.
  • You did a nice piece of work but I like the original. That may look better on one of the darker color Avalons.
  • rufus5rufus5 Posts: 11
    Leave the car alone. Don't mess up its good looks.
  • arghh u guys tear me apart i think it looks gorgeuos ! amm anybody with photoshoped front end would be great ?!
    cuz i really dont like the low front end !

  • maryjmaryj Posts: 53
    I have a Roady2 XM and am seriously considering XM kit for my XM ready radio. I assume the channel #, artist, etc., will be posted in blue and white in the radio section of the driver info. When you run out of range of one FM station, does the XM automatically find another station or do you have to search for it and are you limited to a certain number of FM stations? When finding a new FM station with the Roady, the display is so dim that it is easy to run off the road while adjusting. Is there anyplace I can find that will describe how the factory XM works? Or, maybe someone can give me a quick overview. Thanks.
  • rufus5rufus5 Posts: 11
    Oh well, several told you of our opinions. It's your car & your money. Do what you like. :)
  • angeange Posts: 158
    I have been using manual gearshift since the car was new , back in June. There is some minor uneven shifting, but mostly okey.I did forget several times and found myself doing 60 mph in 4th gear. This is the only drawback I have noticed.

    I am having problems with the navigation system over the last month or so. It seem that the voice directions are wrong at least 1-2 times every time I use it. One trip it gave wrong direction all of the time, lately it tells left or right turn and then a few seconds later it states left or right turn a mile or so ahead. Had I followed the navigation system I would have been totally lost.A couple of times it wanted to take me in a circle. The dealer wants more bad news before doing anything. ange1
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