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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Everything on Dodges is cheaper - Dodge owners won't pay as much it seems.

    As for the truck selection, I agree - unless you want a pretty old one, the big truck with the diesel will be a lot of money, and more than you need for landscaping business. Diesel isn't cheaper than gas anymore either. You'll use a little less of it, but not that much. You want the Diesel if you tow anything heavy at all for sure - otherwise, the gas engine will do better actually. YMMV
  • I'm finally going to replace my 90 250 w/ non-turbo 7.3L. In just under 350K miles I've really had very few problems with the 7.3 (injector pump replaced, vacuum pump replaced). A/C compressor self destructing is pushing me into the market, though everything else is showing the age too.

    But I am wondering whether the problems with the 6.0L have been fixed, or not. As a retiree I'm stuck with 04 and 05 models with under 100K due to cost considerations. Preference is crew and long bed (and most I'm finding are short beds of course).

    Any recent experience with these engines would be helpful. It seems to be hard to find anything on the net more recent than late 2003 to early 2004. I'm worried that the new engine is a good indicator that Navistar never did get the 6.0 right.

    Thanks in advance for any help.
  • I bought a diesel F250 2004 and I have had so many problems with it. from oil coolers problems to oil leaks from all over the engine, engine wiring harness, and more.
  • Thanks. This morning my youngest son got hold of a service manager he knows who said personally he would not buy a 6.0L. I found and drove a 5.4L this morning. Almost had a heart attack when I looked at the mpg showing on the display - 13mpg. The salesman said he wouldn't lie, I was not likely to get much better than that. My old 7.3 has LOST fuel economy from the 17mpg I used to get down to 14.5, so I guess I'll continue the hunt for a 7.3.
  • Did you ever get a satisfactory answer to this? I have the same problem with a 2000 F250 V10
  • Come on guys. Everyday something is published about MPG. For Christ sakes, go buy something else. It's a truck, it weighs almost 7000lbs. It's only going to get 14 mpg if your lucky. Also, the 6.0 is a quality engine. They have had issues with turbo hoses and increased turbo pressures. That is not why they came out with the new 6.4L. If the 6.0L engine was so bad. Why then has it made it's way into every single rescue vehicle, ambulance etc on this planet. I myself have run three rescue ambulances into the ground and guess what, they still run and run well. You want to know something else, they are all the 6.0L engines. Go guy a Tundra
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I figured it all out the other day but I got called away from screen and the post timed out.

    Basicly, if you drive 15,000 miles per year and switched from a 13 mpg Gas to a 17 mpg Diesel, you would save about $575 per year in fuel costs.

    The catch is that the average diesel costs over $5,000 MORE than the same exact gas powered truck.

    Accordingly, its going to take you over 8 years, closer to nine years to earn back that $5,000 inital outlay through fuel economy savings.

    And this doesn't count the lower costs of Maintenance (oil changes) and repairs for the gas engine.

  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    If you're going to include maintenance costs,then you also have to include resale value. My Ram 3500 offered 2 engines in 2005, the Cummins and the Hemi... MSRP difference of about $6000 - I again opted for the Cummins, having driven one for 9 years prior. I just checked the wholesale values after 2 1/2 years and 50,000 miles... difference is still $6000. So far, my diesel has been free.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • I have owned both the Gas and now Diesel trucks, and I love my Diesel. I didn't really have any knowledge of diesels when I bought mine. I'm very satisfied with my 6.0 liter. Mine is the 2006 so I guess the bugs were worked out. I have no real reason to own a Diesel other then I hope to be able to make my own biodiesel some day. Fortunately I have access to offroad diesel at no cost to me at the moment so the price at the pump doesn't effect me unless I go for a long road trip and need to fill up to get home. I have a few modifications so I get even better milage. If I cruise at 68-70 mph I can get 21 almost 22 mpg. In the city its around 17 mpg. I have stock tires and suspension. I don't care to change that. If you can afford the diesel I say go for it. The bonus is the extra power for either towing or just passing slower traffic, which is usually me. Just my 2 cents.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I wouldn't advertise your tax evasion if I were you.

  • I never thought of it that way. I just looked at it as free diesel. I help out friends and they hook me up with a full tank. I guess I'll have to just ask for money or find new friends that can buy me beer. I thought it was a wonderful new friendship too. I guess I'll have to tell them that I can't accept it anymore. Beer or Pizza for now on. Thanks for pointing that out to me. That sure was swell of you. To think they have been doing me wrong.
  • Can any one of you great folks help me. I have an 1999 250 XLT v10 ( ya gas but the price was right and I have an 150 5.0 with 200K) with the tires that ford has said to use and my speed o is off by about 5 mph. I have read some of the fix's but they are realy far out. Can any of you give me some help.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Economy is not a legit consideration unless you drive a zillion miles a year. The best reason for getting the Diesel, is if you need to tow something large. Otherwise, the extra cost of the diesel will not be overcome by mileage for a long long time.
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    there is also the increased cost of regular maint.
  • 253 of 256 Ford F- Series Rusted Broken Bolts on Manifold by gdtaliq Oct 03, 2007 (8:03 am)
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    I have a 2001 F-250 with the V10. Noticed a clicking on the passenger side of the engine. Found 5 broken (Rusted) manifold studs on that side. Found 4 on drivers side. Only have 50,000 miles on vehicle. Talked with a number of other F- series owners from 1998-2003, with both the 5.4 and V-10. All looked and found same problem. Dealer is pricing the repair at about 500.00 per side, if everything goes well. 1000.00 total. Extreme could be as high as 3000.00, if cab has to be removed. How many other F-series out there have the same problem? So far 100% of the owners I have talked with have the same problem
  • I just look at my v10 1999 and they look good and I am in the North East and salt is our big problen. :)
  • I bought the 5.4L Triton. I decided on the basis of the two vehicles available that met my criteria (and I could afford). The 7.3L was 4x4 (don't need) Supercab and a creampuff 2002. The 5.4l was a super clean 2005 crew. Crew has more room, regular was $2.63 and Diesel was $3.04. Broke my heart not to get the diesel, but economics are economics. On limited experience the cumulative calculator shows 15.3mpg. I might have gotten 17mpg with any of the diesels, and I think for sure any hauling would come out better on the diesel. But I don't haul very much, and when it comes time to haul hay in, the 1990 is available.

    The 6.0s will obviously never be around as long as the 7.3 was. If problems with the 6.0 were not why Ford and International replaced with a 6.4, then precisely why did they?

    Why are emergency vehicles using the 6.0? Maybe because the Dodge chassis isn't as tough as the Ford (most likely reason) and you could only get a Ford with the 6.0? GMC doesn't have a good diesel reputation in that market.

    Obviously there haven't been many (if any) 6.0s get as close to 400k as my 7.3 has. When there are a number of them at that point and still running and presenting no problems (only the injector pump and vacuum pump replaced on my 7.3), I'll certainly admit they are a good engine.
  • 6.4L was developed so that they could use the ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel, and meet the new emissions standards.
  • The problems with the 6-liter diesel usually come from a couple of things. One is messing with the engine, adding chips for more power. The other is towing heavy trailers. Ambulances with the 6-liter don't do either of these, so maybe that is why they seem to have better luck with this engine.
  • Yes I have a 2001 f250 superduty as well with the v10. Bought brand new in Massachusetts and it was in the salt and snow for a couple of years. Now in FL and the manifold bolts are snapping and i'm getting some major leaking from it. Went to a ford dealer and they said, it would be easier to replace then engine and not much more as far as cost. It only has 60k on it, and I don't want to repalce. I've had no luck finding anyone that will touch it. Not sure what to do, and I don't like driving it the way it is.
  • I saw your reply and wanted to let you know, I to have a stick and love that tranny, but I did a temp gage and found that on very steep long grades my tranny will heat up. I helped it out a lot by putting Amsoil synthetic in the tranny. Our six speed manual has a pump just like the autos and will heat up.
  • First of all, has anyone done this? I want to get a 40' triple axle trailer, but wanted to convert my truck to tow it safely. I've already done the full Banks mod including the exhaust brake. My truck is a 99 f-250 superduty with a 6-speed, 4x4. I wanted to do a aluminum flatbed and was hoping to be able to extend the frame somehow so I can make it a long bed. I want to put a 1 ton dualley axle under it. Seemed like the modification wouldn't be to hard.
  • I have begged, pleaded and whined to Ford. They will do nothing, except at 88.00 hourly rate, but with no clear estimate of total cost, because of unforseen prblems that they might encounter. So much for Ford caring about their customers. Lots of luck.Hope you have better than me
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    How old, how many miles?
  • Mine is a 2001 and just turned 60k.
  • I'm hoping I can have somebody from a machine shop drill out the studs while it is in the truck, or take the heads off and drill them out then. Looking like it may cost 2500 to 5000. I see a guy on ebay selling reman heads for the v10 at 1000 for both. Might be the best bet. The guy selling them is a machine shop here in clearwater fl.
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    this has been a problem that ford has been aware of for a long time. to bad they didn't make them as good as the ones in the bed haha. ford will do nothing to help with this problem. pull the head or pull the front clip. :lemon:
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    It would be nice if Ford would step up on this problem, but how long do they have to warranty the car from any defect? You're way past the warranty period - out there, you're on your own, and you take the risk. If you don't want that risk, buy a new one, with a new warranty. I don't blame you for wishin, but I also don't expect Ford, GM or anyone else to make my car run forever without problem. My 04 Toyota Tundra has 75,000 miles. It won't go into 4WD. But I'm not whining that Toyota won't step up and fix it for me. If I wanted that protection, I'd go get another truck. This repair is on me, and I'm not surprised. :confuse:
  • Interesting. I was told by a Ford Svc Manager that the 6.0 was developed to meet new emissions standards which were going to be put into effect. If they have to develop a new engine every time the environmental/emissions rules change, I wonder if any light truck diesel will ever come close to the longevity of the 7.3 in the future.
  • I figured it out also, but the savings were pretty much non-existent. Except for a short while this year the price of diesel has been at least $0.10 per gallon more than regular for years now. And currently diesel has been running the same to a little more than premium gas (yesterday at several towns it was $0.36 more than regular, premium was $0.30 more).

    While the gas engine has lower oil change cost, if my old 7.3L is "average", the other costs of the gas maintenance (Plugs, plug wires, tune-up, etc.) more than makes up the difference. As I've said before, the only thing I've put into my 7.3L in 350K miles is an injector pump, a couple of injector lines, and a vacuum pump. Not counting filters, which are about the same for gas and diesel.

    Broke my heart to go with the gas, but the economics favored the gas engine. My two final choices were priced the same, so purchase price wasn't an issue. At the rate I drive these days, from a mileage standpoint this could be the last vehicle I ever buy (probably not, one of the grandkids will probably help out like the kids use to and total it for me). I think it is a shame that I couldn't find a long bed crew cab. Thought I found one, but it was the short bed, the Chevy dealer who had it thought the 6.5' bed was a "standard long bed" because that is all he is seeing these days. Why is that, anybody know? Is it that people are uncomfortable driving them because of the length?
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