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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150



  • I Bought a Toyota Tacoma V6 le extended cab in 95. I Thoroughly enjoyed the truck but due to my family growing, (a 3 year old and a 1 year old) I needed a bigger truck (crew cab). I have always loved the F-350s and bought a used 2003 duely lariat.

    I had some problems with my wife’s van (2002 Dodge Grand Caravan) and she absolutely would not drive the duely while the van was in the shop, we ended up having to rent a vehicle, it was also a little to wide for the town I live in. So, as much as I hated to do it I started to look to get another truck. I initially wanted to just get a Ford F-series (non-duely) to replace it.

    I went to the ford dealership and drove a 2004 f-150 lariat (fully loaded except for sunroof. I kept leaving the dealership for 3 days, while I drove the truck home every night. I worked out an awesome deal with the dealership. Due to my continuously leaving the dealership they had agreed to sell it to me for Kelly blue book invoice price. Plus the rebate, Plus 500 dollars off for military discount (and also another 1000 off for some dealership money they get from ford.) I actually don’t know where this last thousand was coming from. They said they had 52 vouchers to give to whom they wanted up to 4 vouchers per person. Each voucher was worth 250 dollars. Bowke28 probably knows what I am talking about.

    Anyway, while I was working the deal with the Ford dealership I was looking at the competition.

    I test-drove a loaded Tundra, a very nice truck in my opinion, especially the New CC. It is just kind of old looking in my opinion, and severely underpowered compared to the other full size trucks.

    I drove the Dodge hemi, I really like the way they look and sound, but after driving the Tundra and the F-150, the suspension felt very stiff, the seats were uncomfortable and I really just didn’t have a good feeling about Dodge after all the problems I am having with my wife’s van.

    I didn’t drive the Chevy. I don’t like the way they look.

    So I was ready to sign with Ford when I read a couple comparisons on the Internet. This was the first I heard of the new Titan. I found a Nissan dealership and test drove the truck. They didn’t have any Le's, but I was still blown away by the power, looks, and sound of the truck. I let them know exactly what I was looking for and they had it the next day. I was torn between the two trucks.

    I liked the way both trucks look. In my eyes it was a toss up as to which looks better. I thought the interior of the Ford was plusher. But the Nissan interior was also nice. I liked the way the Nissan handeled more than the Ford, though the ford was still a comfortable ride. With the deal the Ford place was giving me the prices actually came to be about the same. So it came down to engine performance and which truck I thought fit me better.

    I bought the Nissan Le CC W/Big tow and off road package.

    I am only loyal to myself not Toyota, Ford, Dodge, or Nissan. Seeing As I have owned all four brands in the last year. There were several other things that affected my decision but, I bought what I thought was the best truck. The Ford does have more options to chose from (which is why I believe they one truck of the year) but the Titan had what I was looking for so there was no deal buster there. It was almost too close to call. Both trucks are beautiful and I believe both are heads and shoulders above everyone else right now. It was so close that I might have chosen the Ford if it had been a Monday instead of a Friday. Know what I mean.

    If you are looking for a Good truck. Either truck will do. Definatly drive both trucks. Dont just listen to what the dealerships or Magazines or us guys on the internet are saying is the best truck. Drive them both and you will come to that decision yourself.

    Good luck to all...I love trucks!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    great post, but i have no idea what the "vouchers" are...probably a dealership thing that they "told you" was from ford.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think Fishnalaska's story makes one pretty good point by illustration - the race is probably between Ford & Nissan now - and the others should be more worried. Aside from the loyal following they may have, GM trucks are now very dated, Toyota needs an engine to compete and Dodge, still suffers a bit from inferior interior illness.
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  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Posts: 833
    when I bought my Ford, it was crazy how the discounts added up. $2,500 factory cash back + $1,000 was from FMCC - I financed as little as possible and then paid off the loan in one month. Then there was $500 was for owning my own business and of course the dealer discount.
    I had to fight hard for the last $500 because I'm not a "licensed contrator" - I instead just registerred my business at city hall - which cost me $100.

    With the exception of the FMCC cash back and the factory rebate, no one advertises the rest in their fine print. The lack of disclosure was not exactly truthful in my opionion. It was giving the dealer a way to wiggle out of what they offered in print. Had I not got what was advertised I would of walked or threatened to sue.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    they dont have to...

    they dont have to explain how they get to an advertised number, outside of standard factory rebates.

    why do you care how they got to the #?
  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Posts: 833
    I don't care how they get to the number as long as they get the number that they advertise.

    In my case they advertised $7,500 off MSRP with the fine print saying $2,500 was factory cash back, $1,000 FMCC cash back and the remainder dealer discount. There was no mentioning that $500 was for being a contractor. They told me that if I couldn't show them a business license that I would have to give them back $500. Truth in advertising, in my opinion, says they should have spelled it out. They didn't even mention anything about it over the phone - only near the end of the paper work.

    I scrambled and got a business license, but would of screemed foul if I hadn't obtained one.

  • andmoonandmoon Posts: 320
    I have owned both Ford and Nissan and favor neither. I do look at cost of maintenance for work that I do not perform myself like timing belt/chains. Do any of you Titan/f150 experts know the belt type and maintenance intervals for these trucks? Are there any maintenance items that may be easy to do but are required frequently? ( I hate crawling under a truck with a grease gun to look for mutliple zerk nipples!)

    I think the subjective decisions of which drives better, which brand is better, which looks/feels better, should be left to each individual and their decisions respected.

  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Posts: 833
    the timing belt on the '04 F150 is supposed to be replaced at around 90k miles. Up to that point it's just fluid changes - Jiffy Lube stuff.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I was glad that the Titan has a timing chain rather than a belt like the F-150. If you don't change that belt and it out!
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    My brother's '69 Ford 302 only had about 85k mi on it when the timing chain and gears wore out enough to break teeth on a gear. My '67 Ford 289 did the same thing at about the same milage.

    Does the Titan's chain use a tensionor? If not there's probably no advantage. Do the timing gears have a coating on them to quiet the chain?

    That was what wore out and caused gear failure on my brother's '69 Fairlane. My '67 Ford 289 was an earlier version of the same engine and had no coating. The 302 (5.0L) was discontinued about 30 years later and in the '80's and '90's they lasted well over 100k for many owners so appearently they got it right.

    The '04 F150 FX4 I picked up yesterday is the fitst Ford I've owned in many years and I consider replacing the belt @ 90k insignificant maintnance.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    your kidding, right???

    dude, its 2004. the difference from 1967-2004 in technology is like the difference from a horse-drawn carriage to the '67 ford.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    Ford is using timing belts???
    Are you sure?
    Which engine - 4.6L or 5.4L???
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926

    I know very little about the Nissan 5.7 motor but if it has a timing chain I would bet that it has a tensioner. Unlike other companies representing an Asian automotive mentality, Nissan in the past has bucked the trend and used chains instead of belts.

    Yes, some contemporary designs use a coated gear just like they did in the sixties, along with a resilented chain (Morse-link). The designs are identical but the material selection has advanced. Some manufacturers use a uncoated roller chain instead of a Morse-link which increases the strength and the longevity of the components.

    I didn't think the Triton motors used timing belts.

  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    I appreciate people sharing thier knowledge without having to be an expert on everything. You don't have to know a lot about Nissan's 5.7, it's probably a safe bet that they use a tensioner.

    The advancement of materials was part of the point I was trying to make. The Ford 5.0 was introduced in '68 and only had minor changes in it's 30 year production run, yet it only had timing chain problems for 3-4 years.

    Bowke:Do you know anything about horse drawn buggies? I've had a couple of them too.

    Most engines with timing belts don't suffer catastrophic damage when the belt breaks or slipps. Those that do,often called interferance engines, have valves that, when open, occupy the same space that the piston does at the top of it's stroke. These are mostly high performence 4 cyl engines.

    It seems unlikely to me that Ford V8's have belts or are "interference" engines, though I must confess I really don't know

    I wonder how many Nissan V8's there are out there with more than 100k mi on them?

  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    I just finished reading my "Scheduled Maintenance Guide" and the only mention of timing belt replacement is for the 4 cyl Escape in the "Trucks Full Sized Vans and SUV" section.

    I don't remember who posted that the F150 has a timing belt but the Ford Motor Company doesn't think it does.

  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Posts: 833
    you're right -

    the '04 F150 maint. schedule recommends changing the "accessory belts" at 150,000 miles.
  • boomer1bboomer1b Posts: 348
    Been searching the application site.
    Most newer OHC Ford V-8s indeed use timing belts as does Toyota 8s.
    NO listing for Nissans OHC 8...But its too new anyway. Site doesn't even show drive belts either. So really don't know for sure.
    The only OHC V-8 that I know of that uses chains is the Cadillac Northstar.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    The Nissan engine is 5.6 litre. The 5.6 has a timing chain as the valve train is "32 valve;silent chain, single stage."

    I had a Frontier that had to have the belt changes at 100,000kms and it was expensive to change. It was a 6 cylinder engine.

    My '93 pathfinder also had a 6 cyl. and needed the belt changed (also expensive). Other pathfinder owners didn't change and lost engines.

    I have no idea if the F-150 is a belt or chain, but I prefer a chain.
  • boomer1bboomer1b Posts: 348
    My bud has a Pathy and loves it. He has the 6 and had both timing belts replaced at around 90k or so. The dealer recommended changing water pump, coolant and drive belts while it was apart......Almost $1000 bucks.........YIKES!
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    All versions for both of these motors use a timming chain.
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  • boomer1bboomer1b Posts: 348
    Me bad !!!!!! You are correct.
    Just checked the Gates site..........
  • I just sold to a friend of mine, my 2001 F-150 SC with the 5.4L V8. The truck had 50,000 miles on it and is in excellent condition. I had gone to several dealerships to buy a new FX4 F-150 SC, but none of the Ford dealerships wanted to give me anywhere near what my trade was worth then my friend wanted to buy it so I sold it to him for $15,400.00. He called me today, right at 2 weeks since he bought it and the transmission is out.

    I went back to the dealerships to buy the FX4, and at the Ford place I usually do business with, we were $800 off of a deal. So my wife and I went to get a drink and discuss things and drove by a Nissan dealership. We stopped and drove the Titan 4x4 SE that had it all but the DVD player and I really liked everything about the truck, but I was a Ford guy.

    Anyway, the deal offered to me was $200 over invoice so they kept their hold back + $200 and I got the Nissan Titan.

    I've been very happy with the truck, and while I've only owned it for a couple of weeks now, I haven't found anything that I haven't liked about it. I have a little "junk in my trunk" and would like a little more hip room, but other than that, it's all cool. It pulls my boat like it doesn't know it's behind me and I really like the clearance height of the truck, and the head room.

    I'm going to pay for half of the cost of repair or replacement for the transmission in my Ford as I don't want to lose a friend over something like this, but a transmission should last longer than 50K miles, especially one that is well maintained as mine was.

    My last truck was a Toyota extended cab 4x4 with the 4 cyl. It has 150k miles on it, never spent a dime on it other than regular maintenance and my son is driving it today.

    I just don't have much faith in the big 3 auto makers here at home right now.

    In any case all I can say is to drive them both and decide. But pity the man who buys a vehicle just because it has a certain name on it.

    Buy the one you like the most.

  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    It's too bad that you have lost faith in american made trucks. Your Titan was designed in California and built in Mississippi.
  • 1. Titan:
    0-to-60-mph time of 7.7 second. Titan got off the line faster than every other truck in the test.

    Who cares, I did not buy a Truck to race. Always like to see reviews about racing a truck with a load. Ford has a higher Tow Rating, but what do you expect.

    2. Titan:
    Nissan is right there in both areas while trumping the Ram and F-150 with cool features like a spray-in bedliner, doors that open 180 degrees (on the extended cab), available side airbags and excellent interior (and exterior) storage compartments.

    Ford Dealership offer the same choice or a bed liner as an incentive. No cost. Dodge and Ford interior is hands down better that the Titan. What are the reviews thinking. The Titan Exterior bed is small. I am talking about the 6.5 to 8 ft truck beds which Titan does not offer.

    Personnal Note: If you want a good size Truck buy a Ford or Dodge. If the you need lots of cargo room e.i. a exterior compartment drawer on the side of the bed, buy a Van/SUV/TITAN. Believe me the Titan next to my truck looks like a little Tonka (Yuppie)Truck;please do not get your hands dirty manly man. And this is a fact.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    "Its 0-to-60-mph time of 7.7 seconds was a full half second ahead of the second-place Dodge, and when it was loaded down with a 6,000-pound trailer and three passengers, it extended its lead over the Ram to nearly three seconds (16.8 vs. 19.5).

    When the Ford was saddled with a trailer and three passengers, it took 20.2 seconds to hit 60, nearly 3.5 seconds slower than the Titan (16.8). The F-150 also turned in the longest stopping distance from 60 mph at 145 feet, roughly 10 feet farther than either the Dodge or Nissan."

    nuff said....
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    first, before you start thinking that you made good points, i sell BOTH the fords and the nissans.

    "Always like to see reviews about racing a truck with a load."

    read obyone's post

    "The Titan Exterior bed is small. I am talking about the 6.5 to 8 ft truck beds which Titan does not offer."

    yes, the king cab's bed is actually 6'7", an inch longer than the supercab ford's bed. the ford's bed is DEEPER by 1", but that does me no good at 5'4". i would have to be over 6'4" to reach my hand to the bottom of the bed on the ford.

    "Believe me the Titan next to my truck looks like a little Tonka (Yuppie)Truck"

    right, dude...i park them next to each other all the time. the only things on the titan that are significantly smaller are the price tag and the split times.
  • mcscjtmcscjt Posts: 17
    Once again, Why are you comparing a F250 with the Titan? They are two different sizes.

    Titan doesn't offer the 8ft bed because most people who buy picks up don't want an 8ft bed. It would cost Nissan more money to offer it, which would have to be passed on to the buyer. Maybe that's why the F150 costs so much more until the end of the year and they have 100 on the lot that they have to offer ridiculous rebates to get rid of.

    How would you feel if you bought a F150 in January and they offered it for $8000 less in August?

    By the way, your F250 looks small compared to a garbage truck.
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