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Smart Shopper - Suggest a topic of discussion

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Hi, Joel.

    My first reaction is that the delivery time would vary greatly from place to place and model to model and should be known at the time of placing your order. As such, I think it makes sense to pose the question in the model specific Forums. You may also get some feedback in the Prices Paid discussions.

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  • editor2editor2 Posts: 64
    It would be interesting to hear of people's loan rate successes. While loan rates are published and available, people often arrange for better terms that aren't published. How do they do so? Where do they get them? Useful info.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I think that would be covered in New Vehicle Financing: What Rate Can I Get? and Used Vehicle Financing: What Rate Can I Get?.

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  • nds7nds7 Posts: 1
    has anybody heard of eperks.com? Thx
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    Yes, I have seen brand new registrants on other forums across the web posting that exact question, which seems to be their marketing strategy to drive traffic to that site. Since it hasn't launched yet, not much to comment on.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,452
    geesh. you gonna let that pass? ;b

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    No one has to visit the site if they don't want to. If it's a genuine question (which it could be), the OP will likely post a follow-up.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,452
    you have much more faith than I

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,439
    I suspect the third comment in this link about the business says it all...

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    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    Looks like the strategy is earning them negative business, then :)

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  • warfire80warfire80 Posts: 2
    Not sure if this is the right place but so many topics dont know where to post. So here goes.

    I am in the market for a 2007 honda civic w/nav. And trading in a 2005 Chevy Equinox LS with 23000 miles on it. TMV value is like 13,800(I owe 16.xxx) or so for the chevy.

    I got to my first dealer and they give me a rock bottom price of 25,500 OTD in which I think I can get it lower but they arent budging. So off to the 2nd dealer they come back with a price of 27,450, at this point I am floored. I ask the dealer what they were giving me on the trade and he jumped around the question trying not to answer me so I finally got it out of him. He says 11,xxx, so I proceed to ask him why so little, when the trade value is closer to 14,000. He tells me that the dealership is a wholesaler dealership, so I told him to sell the civic for wholesale but my witty remark didnt get a good response.

    So I was getting no where with him and he was giving me the manager calling other people on a saturday to get more for my trade run around.

    So I am not sure where to go from here, most people are paying 21,xxx for the civic, I know I am taking a hit in the neg equity but I am sure I can work with dealer #1 another 1000 dollars. Or just go to another dealer and see what they say.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Give Buying Tips: How Do I Get the Best Deal? a try for startes. Also, check out Honda Civic: Prices Paid & Buying Experience.

    Use that information along with Auto advice: car buying, auto leasing, car insurance at Edmunds and you will be in a position to make an offer!

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  • frazzled3frazzled3 Posts: 1
    Hello Iwas wondering if you could have a discussion on how to sell a 2005 chrysler 2005 van. I have posted it on auto trader is there anything else where I can get maximum exposure
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    We aren't set up for buying and selling in our Forums but How to sell your car. has a lot of good tips.

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  • dcdriver4dcdriver4 Posts: 6
    I'm trying to do a private sale of a car, and found that "real world" experience on this section of the board is surprisingly thin. Any chance of starting a new topic so we sellers can trade notes?

    I'm thinking of info like:
    - where the action is these days. Cars.com? local paper? Ebay?
    - how long it takes?
    - other tips?

    Thanks,
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    Well, we have Questions about Private Sale Transactions. Since that discussion isn't particularly busy, it probably makes sense to continue using it rather than splitting up the conversation across several topics.

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  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Or, more diplomatically, is there a "I Love Cars but Hate Buying Them" forum?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I don't think that would be very productive. You might try something like Dealer Dis-Service Horror Stories or Choosing a Dealer - What to Look For.

    You may also like to write up a review of a dealer in Dealer Ratings and Reviews.

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  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    I don't understand - why does it have to be productive?

    I think the title would reflect the true feelings of many a person who has reticence about the process of buying a car. Productivity has nothing to do with it.

    If you don't want to deal with how people feel, why have a forum at all?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    why does it have to be productive?

    I'm sorry, I was speaking euphemistically. When I say it wouldn't be productive, I mean that inevitably topics such as the one you propose ("I hate car salesmen") quickly degenerate and go out of control with diatribes, rants, insults, flames, hurt feelings and frazzled hosts.

    On the other hand, your alternate title ("I love cars but hate buying them") could work if we can come up with a good rationale regarding how it will contribute to being a smart shopper. I'm open to suggestions.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    I don't understand - why does it have to be productive?

    Wow I don't know what to say....

    I am speechless or uhhh wordless I mean.

    :confuse: :mad:
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Well, that's understood, I guess, and that is why I proposed the alternative. On the other hand, in a serious discussion one cannot be afraid of some passion as long as it's not personal. Even the professionals slip there. Just watch at "Meet The Press" and "Face The Nation" one Sunday morning, and you see it's not always possible to "play nice". Sometimes Shieffer and Russert have their hands full! Treating the forums like a kindergarten isn't a good idea, either.

    Now, I passionately hate car salesmen, and would rather have a dentist pull my teeth out several times over than to walk onto a lot. I'm more comfortable walking onto a car lot after the lot is closed or on Sundays when the vultures have gone home. Why is that? I think that's an important topic. I think part of the reason this is so is the same reason women hate to broach controversial topics. Women tend to shy away from conflict, they want to be goody-goody and not hurt feelings and not be strong, and that's bad, especially when some good can ultimately come from it. We haven't been properly taught how to argue and hold our ground.

    So, if someone besides me can find a better way to word the topic, great. Just address it, and give people the freedom to do so honestly.
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    This from the guy who posts ...

    "Take your Toyota to the dealership to diagnose the problem (burning smell from the front end) ... and then take it somewhere cheaper."
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,855
    338 must have been deleted ;)

    irismg, I agree with you. Root Canal or dealing with a car salesman leaves me undecided. Now I just use Edmunds pricing for buying and selling. Print it out. Bring it in. Salesfolks will flinch, rebuff, see the GM and squirm, but will not meet the price. Therefore I haven't bought in 2 years and am happy and wealthy. My advice is find a good mechanic and keep ol bessie running forever. To find a good mechanic look up "speed shop" in the yellow pages. Those guys really fix stuff and can improvise rather than just replace parts. My 2 cents. Hope it helps.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    338 must have been deleted

    Sometimes people have second thoughts about what they wrote in a posted message and have up to 30 minutes to edit - or delete.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    The answer is that sometimes TMV is not a doable price.
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,855
    Actually it is doable. I just leave if the upgrind begins so they take my very reasonable offer as I present it or they don't. Just as long as you get it...the guy with the dough sets the rules. The guy with the tin wishes he had the dough. Edmunds has the prices right. Some old time shops still refuse to accept it and it shows.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    No, you just don't get it. Like any other price guide sometimes Edmunds is wrong. They seem to get it right more often then other pricing guides but TMV is still sometimes high and sometimes low.

    Back a yeah and a half ago I had someone looking to buy a Range Rover Sport and he brought up TMV. He said that he put in his zip code and it showed that Sports were going for 3,500 off of MSRP and he thought that didn't sound right considering we were on the verge of a waiting list for them. I hadn't checked TMV in a while so I brought it up and put in the zip code for the dealership. We still got the 3,500 off of MSRP.

    At the time we had only sold one Sport for less then MSRP and that one was a demo with 1,300 miles on it. The nearest other Land Rover dealership to us is over an hour away and they were in a similar situation to us. They could barely keep up with demand and were selling most Sports at MSRP or MSRP with some free accessories. Obviously for our area in that instance TMV was not correct. I don't know what kind of algorithm they use for TMV but maybe with my state being kind of small it was including deals for the TMV price from NYC or Boston. Even then it was still strange since I know the sales managers at Manhattan and some of the Boston area dealers and they weren't giving up 3,500 dollar average discounts either.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,042
    this is the "suggest a topic" discussion. Let's take the actual conversation elsewhere.

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  • jojomajojoma Posts: 2
    Hi. Great forums! I am considering leasing for the first time and from what I have read experts recommend putting 0 money down. However, I have never seen a 0 down offer on a lease. It's usually $2750 down, $249 per month, etc. So would I be allowed to say I'll pay $300 or $325 per month with nothing down instead of $249 with a down payment. Are dealers open to that? Also, what would you consider the most negotaible part of a lease? The mileage allowance? The price? The term? Nothing?

    Sorry for this basic question but I have never leased.

    Thanks
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