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  • joel0622joel0622 Posts: 3,302
    We get the exact opposite reaction from people. They want to know what they have to do to get a bare bones car any more.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    that's what i was thinking. I mean, it seems to me when I want a barebones car, it can't be found. More and more, it seems dealers order up loaded cars.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • Really? Okay, find me where there is a Mazda3, 5 door, s Grand Touring, Loaded, and just for fun in a galaxy grey.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    Well, are we talking extremes or what?

    Ok, maybe I mispoke when I said "loaded," because that means every option (at least in my opinion), and while that might be tougher to find, it is no tougher than the "base model" you mention. Fact is, we can more easily find models in the middle of the range with options most commonly desired.

    Case in point, since you asked me to look, I searched the mazda site within 150 miles of my area. I found exactly 1 base 5-door 5-spd and 1 GT 5-door auto. Both at the same dealer and both in black mica. In comparison, I found 7 touring 5-doors with automatic trannies.

    Now, of course, we don't know how trustworthy the online inventory is. I suggest you actually contact a dealer. You have to remember, too, if you want a real specific combo ... let's say a GT 5-door auto with navigation in grey ... well, you are probably wanting 1 of only 100 cars built. If you had more color options, you could expand that number and increase your odds.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I suggest posing your question in Internet vs. Traditional Car Buying and continuing the discussion over there.

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  • Okay, I may have sounded a bit snippy. I say we call it a draw.
    Thanks for the comeback...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    oh, its cool. I didn't think you were being snippy. :)

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • amad1amad1 Posts: 123
    I think discussions dealing with used purchasing tips would be good. It needs to be exclusive to used car purchases, only dealing with the sweet science of purchasing a used car.

    As we know, there;'s difference science to purchasing a new car vs a used car. For example, the new car buyer looks for invoice whereas the used car buyer should look for, retail or wholesale price when negotiating a used car deal? I don't think new car purchases and used car purchases should intertwined, that leads to a lot of confusion.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Those are good points and you can discussion them here: Purchasing Used Vehicles

    You may also be interested in the Used Vehicle Financing and Used Vehicles: Best Values discussions.

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  • amad1amad1 Posts: 123
    How about a thread dedicated to advice about avoiding the sales department and purchasing directly from the Fleet Manager.

    No Internet/Fleet Manager, I believe that's a bogus title. I think for the most part, they are a part of the sales department.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    You could try to revive this discussion: Do fleet sales hurt automakers or help them?

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  • I am looking to get some opions/advice on a used vehicle we are looking at to purchase. The Carfax report states that it was sold at an auction in Florida and listed as a "Fleet Vehicle". The vehicle has 3800 miles on it. My concern is that that vehicle has no history of being titled or licensed. How did it get the miles on it without being licensed. Carfax mentions in their glossary that all Fleet Company's don't always report damage information since they are self insured. Any opinions/advice would be greatly appreciated.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    It looks like you already posted your question in the right place: flkeys, "Purchasing Used Vehicles" #1419, 9 Feb 2008 11:20 am!keywords=

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  • I have not seen a topic on my question so I thought I would post it here. I am trying to selling a vehicle and have it listed at various websites and print media. I have received several calls from companies that purchase and sell cars to poor credit buyers. They say they have buyers in my area that want the type of vehicle I'm selling but I have to pay their sign-up fee to meet with the buyer. I like the idea and would sign-up but it seems like a bit of a trap to get my money. Does anyone have experience with these companies or could a discussion be started to get opinions on this?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Try posting your question in Questions About Private Sale Transactions. I would be curious to know what kind of fees the agent would charge.

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  • i'm shopping for a 2005 chevy malibu LT. i've found one with 27000 miles. dealer asking 12,000. carfax states car was leased in july 2004. if i go into negotiations to buy this car can i treat the depreciation of this car as if it were 4 years old, since the lease begin in 2004, or do i have to treat the car as a 3 y/o since the year of it is a 2005?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    You can treat it any way you want to. You are the buyer and the car is worth what it is worth. No amount of reasoning will change those 2 facts.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Purchasing Used Vehicles should be helpful!

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    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • netmark1netmark1 Posts: 1
    The best way to negotiate and buy a new car;

    Here is my experience.
    Step one:

    from consumerreports.org and edmunds.com: find the best cars which fit your need and budgets,

    Step two:

    go to one dealer and have a test drive of one or more cars you want to buy

    Step three:

    go to carspace and find out the lowest quotes on the same car others can get

    Step 4

    Use this price quote to negotiate the best deal you can get.

    With these tips you can save hundreds of dollars.
    http://web500.us/how-to-buy-new-cars-with-the-lowest-price/
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    Step two:

    go to one dealer and have a test drive of one or more cars you want to buy


    May I propose that a better way of doing this is to locate the models that you are looking for at Avis/Hertz/Enterprise. Drive the car 500-1000 miles over a weekend or two (weekend rates are very low) and see how you like it.

    When I was looking for a car (for two months), I rented every weekend for $25 per weekend from Hertz and tried out six different models and ended up with the Toyota Corolla, which is a car I thought that I disliked.
  • meandmmeandm Posts: 5
    I wasn't sure where this post should/would go, so I figured I'd start here :)

    Has to do with purchasing a used car, that *was* a leased vehicle.

    My wife and I are looking at buying a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT.

    It's loaded.

    A retired couple leased the van in 2005, and were (some how) able to get out of the lease early, and decided to lease a new 2008 G.C.

    They did this all though the same dealership.

    I've never leased before, but have researched it.

    My questions are:

    -) Would that retired couple get a trade-in value/credit toward the lease of their new van?

    I ask that because dealerships sell vehicles to leasing companies (at or below "cap price"), and most likely make $$ on that transaction (they certainly don't do it for free!).

    So, if the dealership *does* give a trade-in allowance/credit toward the lease of a new vehicle, then I would probably need to consider the trade-in value and retail value of the 2005 we're looking at much more.

    However...

    If the dealership does *not* give trade-in allowance toward a new lease, and just takes the old van off their hands because they're nice guys....then wouldn't whatever the dealership sells it for be "pure profit"...?

    The way I'd see it would be:
    Dealer sell to lease company, makes $$
    --lease company makes $$ for 3 years
    ----gets turned back in to dealer after 3 years, who gives no trade-in credit
    ------goes out the door at $15k...this = $15k profit for dealer (right?)

    They're asking $16,900 for it, and we're able to spend $15,000 (or less) with a $3k downpayment and anticipated $1300 trade-in (making our loan somewhere around $12k to $13k)

    Thanks for the help!!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,692
    If the car gets turned into the dealer, and they keep it, then they have to buy it from the bank, first....

    So, if the bank charges them $13K, and they sell it to you for $15K, then they make $2K...

    The couple that turned it in got nothing for it, because they just rented the car for three years.... The bank owns it.

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  • meandmmeandm Posts: 5
    Ahh...so I will need to consider the trade-in value and retail value when I make my offer :)

    It's interesting, though. I read on JD Power today that 2006 GC's were expected to have a 37% residual value...even on the high-end models.

    http://www.jdpower.com/autos/reviews/review.aspx?ID=247

    Putting in a figure of $38,000 * 37% I came up with $14,060 for a residual value.

    This doesn't really jive with retail prices that I've been finding:
    KBB = $19,000
    Edmunds = $15,300
    NADA = $18,700

    Now, trade in is much closer to that 37%, though:
    KBB = $14,700
    Edmunds = $12,300
    NADA = $15,900

    If we decide to make an offer, any advice on where to start?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,692
    You've got it... buying an off-lease car is no different than any other used car. You have to do your homework.

    Try posting details of the van here: Real-World Trade-In Values

    Someone can give you an accurate idea of what the dealership has in the vehicle...

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • bayhookbayhook Posts: 2
    Was looking at a 2007 Honda SE at the Honda dealer, and my credit union was having a promotion with Enterprise Rent a car. Enterprise had the same vehicle with the same mileage for $1700 less than the dealership. Additionally, Enterprise processing fee was $200 less. Has anyone had any buying experiences with Enterprise, if so, your input would be appreciated
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Purchasing Rental & Program Vehicles sounds like a good match to your question!

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  • ksb3ksb3 Posts: 1
    I'm buying a Honda Pilot EXL. Honda is offering $3500 Cash to Dealer Incentive. The TMV price of the vehicle is $29,011 - the invoice price is $30,917. Should I be negotiating off the $29,011 or $30,917 price. The best price I've received is $27,325, which includes the document fee.
    Thanks!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,025
    Check with other buyers and shoppers here:
    Honda Pilot Prices Paid & Buying Experience

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  • t00qu1ckt00qu1ck Posts: 1
    I need to buy a new car, I own a 2001 pontiac firebird formula with the 5.7L LS1 motor... I want a newer car with the same "kick" my firebird has, I want one with a manual transmission and navigation!

    I need help, please suggest some cars to research so I can start test driving to see whats right for me!
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    There is the general What's the best vehicle for my needs? discussion but you may also want to try Sports Cars - The Definitive Discussion.

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