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Lincoln Mark LT



  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    First, let me say this your information is not correct ! The F150 and the LT are two different animals. The evidence is in the specs ! READ ! All through the powertrain of the LT is widely different from the F150. That is why it is a Lincoln ride! The proof again is in the specs, and you need to read automotive books from Lincoln and The Ford Motor Company ! Again the Lincoln LT and the F-150 are different animals. I rode in many F150's and the ride is not there at all ! The LT is sound proof, has superior suspension quality, and all preium motor parts apart from the Ford F150. Interior quality the LT has cannot compare with the F150, it is all luxury. My friend, Motor Trend magazine and Consumer Reports disagree with you 100%. So you going to tell me that information provided by the Ford Motor Company, Lincoln, Motor Trent, and Consumer Reports are not correct ?

    Now, the Democrats and Liberals are responsible for the shape our car industry is in ! They are against drilling for oil which put us in a position we are in with high gas prices. So in turn our trucking industry suffers, and our automotive industry suffers. Also who has proven that foreign cars are superior to AMERICAN AUTOMOBILES ? What data supports that ? I traveled to foreign countries and guess what ! People love American cars and buy them overseas.

    And another thing while I am at it, the Democrats and the Liberals are responsible for the current economic crisis ! They past something called the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977, making it law that banks give loans to PEOPLE that are bad risk. Now we have this mess !

    You need to talk up American business and the American way of life because we have the best Country in the World ! Do your homework and figure out the difference between the Lincoln LT and Ford F150. It's not the so called badge you called it. Why would you think a luxury F150 would sell rather than a Lincoln LT? Why would people would flock to buy a F150 at $46,000. The luxury truck is the LT, Ford will not outsell the LT. Please sir, do your homework! Sir, in New Orleans we have it all together ! You need to go to the French Quarter and drink heavily and clear your mind. Have a great day !
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    You are very, very deluded for such a nice guy. Fortunately, this is not something that matters.

    If you were informed as you claim and if you paid real attention to the details, you would not be claiming so many things that are simply not true. In fact, more people buy the upper end F150s (which can cost $46K) than ever bought the Lincoln F150 (which DOES have the exact same engine, hp, transmission, switchgear, etc.). Keep asserting your delusion that it is different. At least you will believe it.

    Furthermore, to counter your wild claim that people will not buy an expensive F150, Ford has found few buyers for the ersatz Lincoln pickup, but the King Ranch F150 has done just fine, as expensive as it is. Thus, the Lincoln truck is cancelled and Ford has added another luxury F150, the Platinum edition, for 2009. It starts in the 40K range and can easily go well into the 50K price range. I know that probably raises your blood pressure some more, but that is the way it is.
  • You need to go to the French Quarter and drink heavily

    I love New Orleans and I will take your advice the next time I am there. By the way, was it after taking your own advice that you concluded that the LT has superior suspension quality and premium motor parts compared to an F150? ;)
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    BTW, I do hope to drink heavily in NO after the Feb 1 marathon.

    I note this from right here on Edmunds:
    The Lincoln offers a lot of luxury for the money, but it doesn't take much scrutiny to realize that the LT has but one degree of separation from the F-150. Disappointingly, the LT has the same basic interior design and hard plastic interior panels, and doesn't really offer any features that you can't get on the Ford. Look at an F-150 King Ranch and you'll be looking at pretty much the same truck.

    In this ultra-niche segment, the 2008 Lincoln Mark LT faces just one direct competitor, the Cadillac Escalade EXT. And the Caddy, due to its superior performance (0-60 a full 3 seconds quicker), more refined cabin and greater functionality, is easily the better luxury pickup truck. If, by chance, you find yourself choosing the Mark LT, you'll likely want to make your purchase this year -- it's expected that Lincoln will discontinue the truck after 2008 due to slow sales.

    Anyway, the King Ranch and LT are built on the same assembly line. The LT gets some Lincoln badges and chrome and slightly different seats.

    You may have it all together in NO--that's fine with me--but the high end F150s already far outsell the LT. Do your own homework for a change, have it corrected, and try to base it on something more than vapor, emotion and a good night on Bourbon St. It's ok you bought an LT and that you really like it, and that you have strong opinions. But facts are facts and the LT has done dismally in the marketplace. The marketplace Has spoken.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    The King Ranch sold because it was marketed correctly ! It is not a luxury truck, it is an upgraded work truck that is targeted at construction service business owners. That is why it did well ! Now if you would drink a couple of New Orleans Hurricanes that are very good, you can think straight. King Ranch is not a luxury truck, the LT is. The F-150 Platinum sales will fall a little short below the LT. Allowing the LT to return in 2011. Remember we are talking about two different animals ! The LT is the steak and potatoes and the F-150 a good truck, but is hot dogs and apple pie ! Or like what we say in New Orleans, Woooooo those osyters and crawfish are good shar....Have a good day sir.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    Sir I would not put alot weight into the Edmunds article, it is not supported by industry facts. Some writers are bias and are motivated by other missions geared to various industries. You need to drink more wine ! Thank You sir
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    And you obviously can't see the forest for the trees. So ok, have it your way. The LT and King Ranch are different animals. And the LT is coming back in 2011. Right.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    The F-150 Platinum sales will fall a little short below the LT.

    Last month, the Mark LT sold exactly 562 units. Even the Nissan Titan sold 10 times as many (5871). In fact, that Titan sales for August 08 are larger than the Mark LT sales for the first 8 months of 2007 (5858) and almost double the Mark LT's total for 2008 (3276).

    Chevy sold 55,765 Silverados in August 2008... nearly 100x more than the LT.

    asaro, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of any given vehicle. But those hard numbers tell the story. Unless you're in upper management at Ford, your statements are speculation at best. And those Mark LT sales numbers come directly from Ford.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Automotive News, a trusted industry source of information (certainly more so than Motor Trend and Consumer Reports...which by the way do NOT agree that the Ford F150 and Lincoln F150 are different animals, but I digress) reported on the LT's demise over a year ago.

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Automotive News is reporting that Lincoln will soon end production of the Mark LT pickup, based on the Ford F-150 half-ton.

    This is the second high end hauler to not find success under Ford Motor Company's luxury brand. The first was the unique Lincoln Blackwood pickup that never caught on with buyers and was dropped in 2002.

    Small consolation, but the Mark LT did beat the Blackwood's sales goals, which were 10,000 units per year. Mark LT sold a peak volume of 12,753 trucks in 2006.

    The Mark LT originally debuted at the 2004 North American International Auto Show and went on sale in 2005 as a 2006 model.

    Automotive News is also reporting that the reengineered 2009 Ford F-150 will move upmarket to fill the Mark LT's void with a new 'Platinum' trim level.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    Ok Kcram I think you and gregg need to travel to New Orleans and have numerous Hurricane Drinks ! So you can get your infromation straight about the automotive world ! You are misguided and read information that is bias, and stats that do not support Lincoln-Ford industry data. First of all Lincoln-Ford is not going to release their raw data that is true and correct to newspapers and media staff agents. Those numbers you quoted about the LT must have sold alot of magazines to the so called spy information people. If you really believe that LT sold 562 units, I have Interstate-10 I would like to sell you in Louisiana. You cannot go by the stats you quoted that you think are gospel. You have to look through the clouds sir. The LT is taking a political hit within the Lincoln-Ford company. Have you and the other brain surgeon gregg ever heard of COOKING THE BOOKS ! ALOT OF COOKING TOOK PLACE ! Sorry about being direct, but sometimes you have too. If they say the Lincoln LT did not have the right sales, why in the WORLD PEOPLE WOULD BUY A LUXURY FORD F-150. The LT is simply taking a break for political reasons in the corporate world. The LT and the F150 are two different animals. So when you research you have to look at the politics in each situation and use common sense. Sir have a great DAY ! The Lincoln LT will be back in 2011
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    Read my reply to Kcram ! Have a great day
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    OMG, now we have conspiracy theories about LT sales! You will make anything up to support a view you will not change. Don't let us or anyone else confuse you with any facts. I suppose it is the way you are wired. No one can tell you anything, no matter how well-documented if it doesn't support a view to which you are wedded.

    I'm done with this and should have been several posts ago. The LT is toast and it doesn't matter the reason, conspiracy or no.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    I agree the LT is how you say, "Toast" for 2009. But the main points concerning the LT are as follows: 1.) The LT and the F150 are two different and complete animals. 2.) The best luxury pick-up ever made, and the best truck in general. No truck matches up to the LT. 3.) The sales concerning the LT was not the true death of the LT, it was a political hit. 4.) The same thing happen to the Blackwood, so history repeats itself.
    I am happy to educate people about the LT. I know the history and every part about the truck. I guess you could call me the LT Guru ! Now shortly I will go in my beautiful LT and drive to a great place for breakfast. I assure you heads will turn and people will keep looking at this beautiful truck. I get it everyday I drive it ! But the LT for 2011 will be better ! Have a great day, and if you need any info on the LT just make a post.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    Dude ! Do you own an LT? The LT is the quality luxury truck. The F150 and LT are two different animals, what are you talking about? Again you need to go to the French Quarter like Gregg and drink about 6 Hurricanes at Pat O's to clear your head. All the stats and specs prove the quality of this wonderful truck. Have you driven this wonderful truck? I will be buying another LT soon 2008, wonderful truck. I had to educate Gregg before concerning this issue. I might have an LT class starting up on line soon. People that cannot afford luxury vehicles sometimes knock the vehicle, is that the case? Have a nice day !
  • asaro,

    You sir are delusional. First of all the Lincoln LT is a...good truck. But thats about it.

    Automotive News is reporting that Lincoln will soon end production of the Mark LT pickup, based on the Ford F-150 half-ton.

    Even though the aforementioned is quoted from a previous post it is absolute truth. The Lincoln LT is done! Accept that and move on. You are starting to sound like you need to start cutting back on some of those Hurricanes you keep pushing everyone here to drink. Maybe you have had one to many?!?!

    Maybe you should consider another truck for you wife.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    I will still purchase the 2008 Lincoln LT ! The Lincoln LT more than likely will be back 2011 ! History repeats itself, like I told Gregg. Ford will have trouble selling the new F150 luxury truck, bad move. Luxury belongs with Lincoln ! Now I will have a Hurricane ! Have a nice day !
  • Then you are a fool.
  • asaroasaro Posts: 14
    I now own a second Wonderful Luxury Lincoln LT 2008 ! The best standards and quality anywhere around the World. And there were other great Americans buying the 2008 LT'S. That day at the dealership they sold 10 ! So like I said before, the COOKING OF THE BOOKS ! In my driveway I have to LT'S ! Yes I am blessed ! The LT will be back 2011 !
  • Hi,
    Kcram I know your message was posted I while ago but, I have been in the market for an 08 LT and the word is that it is finished. All the dealers I've talked to say that it discontinued for good due to bad sale. It make sense because I never see them on the road. This is a shame because I would love to see a new revamped version for 09 or 10. The advantage is that they are practically giving them away I got quoted $35,825 for one. The sticker on the truck I may buy is $49,505. That is fully loaded mono chrome elite package, 20s, sunroof, step rails, ect. Is this the best deal and is it worth it or should I just get an F150 with similar options.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Get the 09 F150. It has a stiffer frame, is quieter, offers side airbags (you cannot get them for any price on the LT), a six speed automatic and stability control (again, not available for any price on the LT).
  • bar20bar20 Posts: 15
    The 08 LT 4 x 2 has traction control, The 4 x 4 does not and I am not sure why you would nead it. Side airbags IMHO just adds to the cost of the vehicle, it's a safety item but do I really need them? Some of the reviews I read about the 09 with the six speed tranny were not too kind. The 08 LT is a four speed with overdrive. As someone else said, when I come to a stoplight and look over in my LT, I am not going to see someone next to me with the same truck, unlike an F-150!
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Most people would see little to no difference between your LT and an 04 - 08 F150 equipped the same way. That grill is the big difference and is obtainable aftermarket for an F150.

    The side airbags definitely make the truck a safer ride. It is often erroneously assumed that the wider, taller stance by itself provides good side protection. Not necesarily so. Besides...why do you want a luxury vehicle that doesn't offer stability control, side airbags and other things that are standard on many non-lux vehicles? BTW, that six speed provides better fuel economy than the four speed.

    Of course the LT is a good truck, as it is based on the F150, a good truck. But there is also a reason it is now defunct: it did not sell. That was in part due to the cynical badge engineering job. As dumb as the Blackwood was with its non-optional covered trunk and no availability of 4WD, at least it had unique Lincoln styling. The LT may have been more viable if they had used Navigator body panels and interior.
  • bar20bar20 Posts: 15
    Maybe it's because I am one hell of a driver,I have never been in a side impact crash, with over 2 million miles on the clock. I don't live in the snow nor travel in it. If I was going to buy an 09 I would get a Dodge with the Hemi, a better engine than Ford's with more power and same MPG. Plus I don't pull a trailer..
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    I have never been in a side crash either. Never used any kind of airbag (or side beam protection or shoulder belt...other than wearing one). Still, I want my vehicles equipped with them just in case...but maybe that is just me.

    I agree that the Dodge is a much more thorough re-do than the F150 is, but both 09s are safer, better built, quieter, and more efficient than the 08s they replaced. The Ford will have more engine choices in a year or two.
  • bar20bar20 Posts: 15
    I personally don't like the boxy look and huge grill of the 09 Ford. You get a 4 year btb warranty with the Lincoln not 3 year that the Ford has. I get complimentary scheduled maintenance for 12 mo./12k miles. I get a 6 yr/70k power train warranty and 24 hr roadside assistance for that time period. Like I mentioned earlier my 4 x 2 has traction control which I prefer over stability control but maybe that's just me.
    What sold me on the 08 LT was the employee pricing and $8500 dollars in Lincoln rebates. All together I saved over $16k off of MSRP I payed $30k for a $46k truck. I don't think you could come close in the 09 Platinum which replaced the LT. Bottom line is I am very happy with my purchase.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    I don't think the grill of the 09 Ford (the biggest change in looks...other than lengthening the 4 door cabin) is all that attractive or graceful either. Dodge did a much more graceful re-do of their truck.

    You can certainly buy vehicles with traction control that do not have stability control, but not vice versa. Traction control is part of the stability control package.

    There are some awfully good deals out there. What goes with those huge discounts is huge depreciation. It doesn't matter of course, if you plan to keep the vehicle a very long time. Operating costs tend to show that what you save on buying tends to take away from trade-in value. However, paying more at the beginning for a more popular/in demand model, just to get better re-sale, may not b teh best deal either, if you are only getting back a portion of the extra you paid at the beginning anyway.

    Everything is a trade-off. You got a better warranty and a vehicle whose looks you like better. The Platinum (or King Ranch if you like that grill better) has better interior materials, stability control (and of course traction control), side and canopy airbags (proven additional safety), better mpg, an even more rigid frame...and it will not be an "orphan.".

    Last fall, the deals were darn good on 09s too. With gas falling so far, it may be a bit harder to get a huge discount now. And the thing of it is, you have to buy sometime, but you can almost count on--no matter what you buy--seeing the next model year offer further improvements that weren't available to you.
  • I recently bought a used Linc Mark LT but it does not have the backup sensors. I was wondering if the members here have any suggestions as to how to have it done or is it necessary to go to the Stealership?
  • GeppertGeppert Posts: 4
    Mine was the same. I called around to a few Stealerships and the prices were all over the map then I found out that these are generally done by aftermarket installers. By a fluke, one of the Stealerships put me directly in touch with their installer and I had it done for half the normal price PLUS the bonus was that not only did they install the sensors but he head unit both beeped AND displayed the distance digitally (which I really like). They also installed an off/on switch so I could shut if off when towing a trailer. So the wind up of this preamble is to consider getting it done by an aftermarket installer.
  • GeppertGeppert Posts: 4
    Any recommendations for Programers for the MArk LT?? (I have a 2006).

    I checked out the Edge Evolution but they say on the site that they DO NOT work on the Mark LT?
  • krs1055krs1055 Posts: 1
    i have an 07 lt with the edge programmer thats listed for an f-150. works just fine and makes a big difference.
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