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  • how 'bout the Cargo Cab Baja-like mid gate w/rear seat?

    Add 24 mpg as highway mpg and it would be improving both functionality and value.

    John
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    So if Honda offers a 2WD, and a Cargo Cab version. do they really cut costs? Sure each truck might cost less, but the re-design and added manufacturing costs. One small sheet metal change means 100's of thousands of dollars for new stamping dies.

    I've watched Ford Rangers being assembled. 2wd, 4wd, quad cab, club cab, regular cab... all go down the same line. It just adds a few more stations where options may or may not be put on.

    So over all production costs will go up some. You sell a lesser priced truck with maybe a lesser profit magin. So do you make more, less, or the same money in the end?

    --jay
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Yeah, but that would make it more expensive, not less expensive, than the current models.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "That would also mean removing the rear doors and redesigning the rear-quarter windows, which could be a rather expensive re-engineering job, wouldn't it?"

    Nah, just weld 'em shut, paint 'em all orange, and stick an 01 decal on the side. It'll help reach the target market, too.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Jay, you make a good point. I once heard a lecture/presentation by an auto exec and he made a similar point this way.

    He asked, "What's the most important consideration when designing a car door?"

    The audience tossed out "crash safety", "large windows", "weight", and other ideas.

    He stopped them and said, "The panels must be stackable". Apparently, if it can't be stacked the shipping costs will would triple.
  • Hello all,

    I never thought I would be typing this,but I really like the utility of the Ridgeline,and may think about getting one in the next year or so.I currently own a 92 Dodge Ram 3/4 ton club cab 2wd with the awesome Cummins turbo diesel engine,and a 5 speed transmission.It currently has 235,000 miles on it,and it runs as good now as it did when it was new.I love the diesel,and would love to get a new truck with a diesel,but I really don't need such a big truck.We tow our Hybrid Jayco Kiwi trailer camper,which I think weighs in at around 4000lbs,and tows behind my diesel without even knowing it is back there.I love my truck,and its performance,but if we decide to have another child the truck isn't going to be easy to live with on camping trips.The old Dodges like I have never had bench seats in the rear of the club cab,but I installed an aftermarket bench in it so that my son can ride in the middle of the rear bench seat.I think if we need another car seat in the rear of the truck it will be really tough to do especially a rear facing child seat for the first year or so.I like the idea of the independent suspension all around,and the truck in the bed along with a decent sized rear seat for the car seats.I wish honda offered a diesel option(as well as other small or midsized truck manufacturers),but if the Ridgeline will tow my camper relativly easy then I will think about getting a non-diesel.I read that Honda claims the ridgline can tow 5000 lbs,but how does it do on hilly roads and such?I owned a 99 Mazda B4000 back in 99 that towed my camper,and although it was rated at 6000lbs towing the engine was really working hard on the expressway,and was not fun to tow with.The Mazda was only rated at 160 hp though,and wasn't the lightest truck around.How does the Ridgeline tow with the 235 hp engine?Would a dealer allow me to bring my trailer up and try it out if I wanted to do so?Sorry for being longwinded.Thanks in advance.

    Chris
    early production(5/78)Mazda 79 RX-7 GS
    92 Dodge Ram Cummins turbo deisel
    74 Mazda RE/PU
  • Towing 4000 lbs and you will know it's back there when compared to a 3/4 ton pickup.

    Towing my pop up (2500lbs) is very stable and smooth, acceleration is a bit slow but not bad.

    If you get the Ridgeline, get the rear camera.... I hitch up spot on every time!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    While the tranny coolers and such are standard equipment, the hitch is not. So you'd have to find a dealer who has already installed a hitch on the Ridgeline if they are going to let you tow with it on a test drive. And, to be quite honest, I think that's doubtful.

    Go in, take one for a spin, and see if you like it. If you do, place a deposit. Then maybe they'll let you go for a tow.
  • Actually, towing probably isn't a good idea on a engine and tranny that isn't broken in. I don't tow with my Ridgeline, but there's alot of RL owners at the Ridgeline Owners Club that have (google it). They all seem very pleased with its towing performance. Some of them have given pretty good in depth reviews.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,744
    on the right side of the screen is starting to bug me(sorry). it reminds me of that song "you've got mud on your face, you big...". :(
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  • bobwhobobwho Posts: 24
    Hey Explorer, you don't have to keep coming back and looking at it. You can go to another forum instead and look at those other pic's. After all no one is asking or forcing you to come to this forum. Am sure you have other things to do, places to go and people to see. :D
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,744
    it's on the side of my screen no matter what forum i am on. get a bigger monitor. maybe i should lower the resolution on mine. :)
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  • I've had my RTL for several months now. Love the truck! Actually my car and my wife's car were 8 and 9 years old, so we had been shopping for two new vehicles. My wife liked the Pilot and I really liked the Ridgeline. We ended up buying a Pilot for her and a Ridgeline for me the same day! The Dealer offered up the Pilot at invoice and the Ridgeline a few hundred over invoice.

    I feel this truck was designed just for me. Very comfortable everyday vehicle to go back and forth to work, rides like a car, can accomodate four adults in comfort, fits in my garage, easy to drive, easy to park, not to big, not to long, and I can haul stuff home from Home Depot and Lowes on the weekends. It's Just perfect.

    I don't have any of the water leaking problems, but I do (did) have the wind noise problem. Took it into the dealer this morning and it was fixed within a couple of hours. The dealer was aware of this problem and the repair bill stated "Found windshield molding to be distorted top right corner, rubber not secure. Removed winsheild molding, repaired rubber, re installed." This seemed to do the trick, no whistling on the way home. Simple problem, simple fix.

    I also recently installed the Retrax bed cover. I e-mailed Retrax and asked about the installation. I wanted to make sure there was no drilling in the bed involved. The only "modification" you have to make is, in fact, drilling a 1/2" hole in the rubber plug at the front bottom of the bed, but no drilling into the bed itself. Retrax e-mailed me the instruction sheet the next day. I then called Randy at Retrax and asked about the $100.00 discount by mentioning this forum. The cover comes in two different boxes, one box showed up a day after the first one (go figure). The cover was pretty easy to install and looks great. The only annoyance was the packing material (styrofoam bits stuck to the inside of the roll-up mechanism). Living in Buffalo (condolences accepted) I'm interested in seeing how it holds up to heavy snow.

    I also installed the roof rack that I ordered on-line, $258.00 plus shipping, or something like that. No plans to carry anything up there, just think it makes the truck look good! Again, pretty easy to install, although you do have to "hacksaw" the molding strip that goes along the roof line. Easy to do physically, just hard to do mentally cutting up a brand new piece of your truck.

    Hope this info helps...
  • This strut thing has been irking me for some time now, not that they failed in the first place on one test vehicle, just that no one seems to have pondered who manufactures the struts. I am taking a wild guess that Honda relies on a supplier to deliver this component, and chances are it was due to defective materials, workmanship, etc. My guess would be a "new hire" on the line that day, or maybe it was geo, went to work still drunk after partying too hard and was using the struts to re-enact a drum solo by def leppard he saw on VH1's '80's 3D the previous night. If Billy Bob Consumer were to replace their suspension with 4 struts that have very close datecodes from their local parts store and after a weekend of barreling over hunting roads, or driving back and forth to work in New England around March that it would be the fault of the vehicle brand they are driving? I think not. Still 0 problems, 20-21 MPG average, and really glad to have wiped the 2003 S-10 crew cab stains off my back side.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    It doesn't really matter who manufactures the parts. It's going to be Honda who either a) builds a sturdier part, or b) makes sure that quality control is enforced. Either way, it rests on Honda to make the changes.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    In another Ridgeline forum, there are several other owners with failed struts, from minor offroad usage.

    Looks like this part was just underdesigned, or there was a lot of bad ones built.
  • myobmyob Posts: 53
    Oh puhhleese. I'm a Dodge Ram owner currently and have never owned a Honda product, but 4 struts do not just blow out from driving on a washboard surface at "10-15 mph". Not even in a cheapo economy car, much less a pickup truck with struts designed to handle 4500 lbs. How naive can one be to believe that these guys didn't have some fun blasting over stuff in the truck and then when it broke came up with this pathetic tale to avoid trouble back at the office? Car reviewers are notoriously hard on vehicles. Some of them actually admit to it. I lived in an area with dirt roads and took our low slung '03 Saab 9-3 over severe washboarding at higher speeds than that more than once with no problems. My guess is somebody jumped the vehicle off of something and it blew them out.

    Message boards on various websites have become like the American culture in general..... Lying to promote one's agenda is the norm. Those who love Hondas defend them, those threatened by them trash them. And trust me, having owned Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge pickups in my business, nothing scares a domestic truck owner like the possibility of a Japanese company making a better one than theirs. They will say anything and make any logical leap to trash the image of a Japanese truck.
  • myobmyob Posts: 53
    For all you bashers out there quoting disappointing Ridgeline sales. Go check your figures. Look at sales for other full size/midsize pickups in this period. We had a huge increase in gas prices folks. Do you think that just MAYBE this affected their sales projections a little?

    Toyota Tacoma sales were probably way up since it was massively redesigned in a successful manner and gives people near full size capability along with the rugged offroad performance and more importantly IMAGE, they desire, along with decent fuel economy. It's way up over the previous year because people were waiting for the new model and sales were down that year. That happens a lot.

    I need a truck that can handle my light duty towing needs for work, yet also get myself down to Florida from Atlanta twice a month to our place on the beach there. I'm not in love with the Ridgeline, but name me another truck that gets decent fuel economy, handles well, brakes well, drives like a car and is less tiring on 7 hour trips, has side airbags and stability control for safety at high speed, has a carlike interior, room to store my luggage as well as two dogs, has a short wheelbase to ease towing in crowded city situations, awd for use around boat ramps and beaches, uses regular fuel, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg (currently selling for $5,000 off sticker).

    It's not for everybody. But the only negative I've found with it so far is the supposed blind spot (I tow and all I need to see is beside me and the trailer in the mirrors anyway) and the non-traditional styling.

    My Hemi Ram is a "real" truck but fails in over half the above requirements. 15mpg highway, no stability control, no side airbags really available, rides like a truck, noisier, no covered space for cargo in the bed, longer wheelbase which means I sometimes swing into oncoming traffic when making turns onto city streets, etc, etc etc.

    I hate it when guys who never venture over 55 mph and more than 10 miles from home and put 5,000 miles a year on their vehicles in their small towns try to judge other trucks by their standards. I see a lot of suvs and trucks on their roofs in my 20 plus expressway trips I make each year. I want something that will handle an emergency stop/avoid situation.
  • Myob, you make alot of sense. I also have trouble reconciling 4 blown struts with my personal ownership experience with the Ridgeline. I've been on washboard roads, BLM trails, and rough mountain roads and my Ridgeline's struts are fine.

    Even if there were a problem, I would have no concerns. I'm sure Honda would step up and take care of it. I will continue to use my vehicle as Honda intended.

    Side note:

    I just got back from a trip to LA and recieved 21.7 mpg. Thank you Honda ! This is a seven hour trip and time flys when it's done in a Ridgeline. This is a very comfortable truck. I feel like I got my truck without any of the compromises that come with a truck, and my wife feels like she got the ride of the Camry sedan she wanted. This truck fits both of our needs perfectly. There is no other vehicle like it, and I don't have to worry about whether my wife is using the 4wd correctly or the possibility of damaging a part time system on dry pavement like on other trucks. All she has to do is drive and the Ridgeline will take care of all the traction decisions. Again, Thank you Honda.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,744
    i don't disagree with your post, but they said they did the same one in a 'taco and had no problem. i suppose someone could look at a toyota truck and say 'i better take it easy', but i am gong to hammer on the honda.
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  • i don't disagree with your post, but they said they did the same one in a 'taco and had no problem. i suppose someone could look at a toyota truck and say 'i better take it easy', but i am gong to hammer on the honda.

    On a rough wash board surface you won't be able to travel nearly as fast in a BOF, solid rear axel, with stiff leaf springs (which would create alot of rear end hop) as you would with the 4 wheel independent suspension Ridgeline which would be able to take the same surface at a much faster speed.

    Any Ridgeline owner will tell you it feels like they are going much slower than they actually are. It's not uncommon for me to look at my speedo in this truck see that I'm going 95 mph when I thought I was going 75mph. The same goes for rougher surfaces. What shook up passengers on the same BLM trail in the Chevy Silvy we were using doesn't even phase them in the Ridgeline. So, while the editors might have thought they were going slow, I don't doubt they were going alot faster than what they claim.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,744
    since we were not there, it is all supposition. maybe the other similar complaints about the struts are just 'copycats'. point is, it was reported for everyone to read. highway driving is not the same as trail driving, so i think that kind of post is misdirection.
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  • highway driving is not the same as trail driving, so i think that kind of post is misdirection.

    I thought I made it clear the same principle applies to the RL on a washboard surface as well. The Ridgeline is deceptively smooth on surfaces like these giving the driver the impression they can go much faster than perhaps they should. I find myself on surfaces like these going a bit too fast because the 4 wheel independent suspension delivers such a smooth ride, it gives the driver the impression it might be okay. All vehicles should be treated with respect on these kinds of surfaces. I'm always concerned I might emerge from one these roads with some kind of dash rattle or squeak. So far the RL is as quiet as the day I bought it.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I don't think there's any conspiracy here. Struts have busted. It ain't the end of the world. Either it gets fixed, or time passes and we never see another reliable report on the issue.

    There's no sense in debating events or issues when we don't have much of anything resembling facts. The best we can do is wait and see.
  • geo9geo9 Posts: 739
    Over at the "other" ridgeline forum. More new strut
    failures are being reported from the "harry homeowner"
    crowd who prob. have never taken that "tough truck" off
    road................

    Nah........The old "They flogged it too hard" is
    a better excuse............. :cry:
  • bobwhobobwho Posts: 24
    Yea, I've heard the same thing too. The Ridgeline has over 75 percent of it's parts made in the USA. Say the struts were from a US parts manufactor that Honda had contracted with. Does that mean all the struts are bad. Afterall, they are US made and could be in some of the Big 3 Autos too. But no that's not right, just ask around. The big 3 Autos are doing just fine and everyone loves their domestic auto. Even if they have to have it towed or repaired all the time. So let's all agree to disagree and get off bashing the Ridgeline. It's obvious there are some that love to shout out it's shortcomings or failures. That's ok, it's your opinion. All I'm saying is that I love my Ridgeline. I've not had any of the problems that people are talking about. I've owned Dodges, Chevys, and Toyota's and now I own a Honda Ridgeline. Each one had their good and bad points. So until, I have a problem, I'm going to keep driving and enjoying my Ridgeline. :)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,744
    i hope everyone who buys any vehicle, enjoys it.
    my sister has a priius which has a lot of complaints about the goodyear tires. i drove it last weekend and agree. i checked the pressures, which were ok. the sidewall had the words 'made in japan' on each tire. :surprise:
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  • bobwhobobwho Posts: 24
    Goodyear Tires made in Japan. Wow, that's news to me, since Goodyear tires has their Corp. HQ in Akron, Ohio with their tire plants in Ohio. But than again, I could be wrong. With all the big US businesses taking their work factories overseas trying to cut costs and make the most profit at the expense of american jobs. But than The Japan, German auto makers set up factories in the US and hire those same workers. You know something is wrong with that picture.
  • I'm sure the Prius' tires are not the typical "low rolling resistance" tires that many manufacturers are using nowadays in order to increase the little numbers on the EPA stickers. Since the car is a hybrid being sold on the merits of its efficiency those tires are probably required to be even lower resistance than the average tire, and that could explain the "made in Japan" stamping. Especially since that also happens to be where the parent company is located and where this vehicle was designed..
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 23,609
    Who owns GOodyear now? I thought all of the US brand names had been bought by global companies. Firestone/Bridgestone, etc.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

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