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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ



  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Here in Northern VA:

    "5 day" BLOW OUT SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    10-14 OCT 2007

    For just 5 days only, all 2007 and yes, 2008 In Stock Lincolns and Mercurys will be SOLD for $22 dollars BELOW Factory Invoice PLUS you get the Rebates. All we will add is the tax, tags and fees. FREIGHT is already included!!!!!

    YES NAVIGATOR, MKX, MKZ, MILAN, SABLE, MARK LT and the ever popular MARINER for$22 dollars BELOW invoice.

    Please do not pass this Sale by!!!!!!!
  • jerrys2jerrys2 Western massachusettsPosts: 189
    Agree 100% with your comments ... not much activity on this board. After a few weeks and 1k I concur the MKZ is a winner ... considered Lexus ES350 but I still can not tell them apart from the Camray. :)
  • caliddcalidd Posts: 60
    I've had my 2007 MKZ for about two weeks now. During that time, four people at three different locations gave unsolicited positive comments about the car. One woman turned the car as she was walking away and told me it was a beautiful car. Another two guys were staring at it as I parked outside a coffee shop. When I came out, they were still looking at it as said that it was a beautiful car. They seemed to understand when I told them that I had driven a Lexus ES for 12 years, and they told me that they wanted to buy stock in Ford. Another gentleman, some days ago, was talking to me in a parking lot and noticed my car while I was talking and said it was beautiful. There are areas in which the MKZ could improve, but on appearance, I think Lincoln hit the mark! As my two weeks of experience have shown, the car is a head-turner.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    Even with my other reservations about the Z, I agree it is a beautiful car.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Too bad it didn't adopt a Lincoln "look," rather than the cautious but not displeasing approach they actually took. Some people obviously like the MKZ look, but that opinion is far from universal. I have noticed that lots of people don't give it a second glance--which is exactly what it needs for someone to appreciate its more subtle but generally tasteful is after all a decently and cleanly styled car.

    But it is yet another in the disparate crop of Lincolns. That should change in time of course (especially when the Mark LT and Town Car go away), but it would have been nice if Lincoln could have adopted the champhered fenders or roofline or other design elements from the MKR concept. They have modified the MKS somewhat, based on Lincoln's planned look, and the MKZ will get new front and rear styling and new interior as well, to bring it more in line with what will look like a Lincoln.

    Anyway the Zephyr/MKZ is too close to being perceived as a rather nice high trim level of the Fusion. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But putting Lincoln in the very slot that Mercury once held (higher trim with a bit more elegant styling...rather than the straightforward badge-engineered Fords that Mercurys are now) won't get Lincoln back the stature it once had.
  • tiger16tiger16 Posts: 54
    Yes, Ford has a long way to go with MKZ. However, I will applaud it's effort with the intro of the Zephyr. Definitely a very nice car for the price. Still some catching up to do. Unlike horsepower and gas mileage, styling (inside & out) is purely subjective and unfortunately, it seems as many people dislike the MKZ as like it. So basically Ford eliminates half of their target market and that won't give Ford the sales numbers it desperately needs. I truly think the redo of the MKZ is more crucial than it's initial introduction. This will be a true indicator of where the Lincoln nameplate is headed. A few weeks ago I started a "let's tweak the MKZ." Some good suggestions were made but, overall, the response was extremely limited. Ford ignored Lincoln for a decade and now it seems the buying public doesn't care that much either. I think first and foremost Ford must decide what kind of car it wants the MKZ to be. Does it want low profile tires and a stiff suspension to compete with the Maximas of the world or does it want a supple ride and a plush interior to compete with the Lexus of the world? One suggestion was to install a standard ride compliant suspension and offer an optional sport suspension. Great idea which means Ford won't do it. But this is just one example of how Ford can continue it's comeback. It can't ignore good first efforts. It must continue to improve upon those first efforts and make those improvements quickly. The Lincoln nameplate has fallen so much over 10 yrs I'm not sure it can regain it's former prestige. When I got my Zephyr my golfing buddies laughed at me. I got comments like "Why did you buy a Lincoln?" No one buys a Lincoln anymore. If you want a nice car get a Lexus or Infiniti." Let's hope Ford has finally gotten the message.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "When I got my Zephyr my golfing buddies laughed at me. I got comments like "Why did you buy a Lincoln?" No one buys a Lincoln anymore. If you want a nice car get a Lexus or Infiniti." Let's hope Ford has finally gotten the message"

    Hoooh-boy can I relate to that one. I got my 2001 LS for my big 5-0 birthday. Best comment amoung my peers was "Well, I guess we're all getting old if u got a Lincoln." Sad but true.

    Lincoln has been trying to lower the average age of their buyers, but is not having much success. Even me at 50, I'm like a baby compared to most Lincoln buyers. I regularyly see beautiful LSes with spoilers and chrome wheels being driven by folks with green hair and walkers in the back seat. It's practically criminal. :surprise:

    Having been a member of a certain LS car group which advocated Lincoln and met annually with Lincoln VPs etc, I told my old buddies to just wait, the LS is the first in a line of vehicles that will reinvigorate the Lincoln line to compete with the likes of BMW etc across the board. Sadly, that was not to be. Cadillac came out of nowhere and stole the mantle from Lincoln. Now, as Motor Trend pointed out this month, Lincoln "used to be a proud luxo brand, now it's just a Ford trim level." I presently own two Lincolns. But even at my age, I dont see myself buying another.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    That is EXACTLY the problem. It may be a nice trim level, but Lincolns are only distinguished from the comparable Fords by fancy trim. You don't see Cadillac building a fancy Impala and a fancy Malibu.

    Once Ford stops doing that and if they can do it in time (before the whole shebang is shot), Lincoln will garner more respect than what is merely afforded it by current owners.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "You don't see Cadillac building a fancy Impala and a fancy Malibu.

    Once Ford stops doing that and if they can do it in time (before the whole shebang is shot), Lincoln will garner more respect than what is merely afforded it by current owners."

    Well, you certainly USED to. Remember the Cimmaron for example?

    Unfortunately the mkz is a reminder of the Versailles, while the CTS, STS, ... are their own animals.

    I just relooked at the interior shot of the upcoming mks and it only reaffirmed my view that it's probably over for Lincoln as a top flight brand. Compare the mks interior to the CTS, then realize one is a RWD performance car, the other a redone 2005 FWD volvo and one wonders if there's any hope for Fomoco. Mercury is a dead duck waiting to be buried. Lincoln is the new Mercury. Wonder if Ford will target only women with the Lincoln at that point. They may as well.
  • This weekend I'll be taking my first long road trip. I'll be driving from Me. to N.J. and returning. I'll be intersted to see how the fuel economy is and the car performs overall. I'll let you know...
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    I couldn't agree more about the MKS short comings, and it hasn't even come out yet. I think the only thing that could save it is if it was only offered with full-time AWD. No car in that class should be FWD.

    As for the MKZ being an upscale Fusion, I agree, but that's not such a horrible thing. The Fusions is a good car to start with. Then, put in a much better engine, a much nicer interior, a sharper exterior, a killer stereo, and a bunch of sound-insulation, and it's a VERY nice car for the money.

    I hear a lot of people complaining about diminishing a Brand identity (Truth About Cars, I'm looking in your direction), but if you care more about substance than names, the MKZ is a good car.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    No car in that class should be FWD.

    Why not? Works for Audi. The base A6 is FWD while the performance versions are AWD.

    Remember, this isn't a $60K flagship vehicle - that will have to wait for the new Huntsman platform.

    In the meantime I think a 280 hp FWD cruiser in addition to a 350+ HP AWD performance model will suffice nicely.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Of course it is a good car. But name me a car in that class or price class that is not good. The whole field has gotten so much better in almost every way.

    Anyone who buys an MKZ will likely be pleased with their purchase. But it is in the comparisons among many good performers that other marques rise to the top of the "good field," and the MKZ is nowhere near doing that.

    Lincoln needs a star performer in this class. Lincoln needs something to compete with the goodness of the 08 CTS, the 09 A4, the 08 C Class, the BMW 3 series. The MKZ is a reasonable start, given how Bill Ford set out to absolutely ruin Lincoln in a few short years. But now they need to really produce, because the competition keeps moving.
  • I just relooked at the interior shot of the upcoming mks and it only reaffirmed my view that it's probably over for Lincoln as a top flight brand.

    Where did you find recent pictures of the interior? I must have missed a link around here.
  • Anyone seen any models with SYNC on the lots yet?
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Too bad about your buddies not liking your car. I get nothing but good comments. I have 26k on my Zephyr and 12k on my MKZ and no problems with either one of them ever. I was out in front of Union Station (DC) and a group of tourist came up to ask about the car. A group of young folks walked by and all turned and you could see them reciting the name MKZ. I am sure by now must of them have seen the commercial but do not know much about the car. I am starting to see lots of MKX's also here in DC. I only wish the best for Ford and Lincoln.
  • Over this past weekend, my wife & I travled from Me. to N.J.and back. The total distance was 817 miles. The car averaged 26.5 m.p.g. on the way down. Some city driving reduced this, but we still averaged a respectable 25.7 for the trip. The car performed like a champ. The adjustable seats were great for changing seating positions and I feel that there is sufficdient padding. The ride was smooth & quiet and we really enjoyed the THX. I don't have the built in navigation system, but we used a portable unit(less than $300 that worked fine. I tend to question paying the high asking price for the built in unit. I only noticed one other Zephyr and one MKZ however. Maybe the recent T.V. adds will help put a few more units on the road...
  • They had it on an MKX, just not on any MKZs.
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    Has anyone heard if Sync will at all be able to be retrofitted onto a 2007 MKZ?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    It cannot be retrofitted on any models. It needs factory installation.
  • The Speed Channel program "Autoline Detroit" will be running a segment this Sunday featuring some independent reviews that discuss recent quality improvements on Ford produdcts. I don't know any more details, but it should be interesting. But oil prices hit an all time high today. They are pushing $100 a barrel. Even if Ford's quality is the best, big luxury vehicles like Lincolns don't sell well when gas prices spiral up. So what are Ford's plans for developing a fleet of more fuel efficent vehicles? They will need to be at the forefront of a future that may not include gas guzzlers.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I also wonder where are all of the Hybrids that Billy Ford promised. You would think that the automakers would be running full tilt to get more of these out to the public. I also understand that as gas goes above 3 bucks only then does the public start to think about these types of vehicles. Right now in order to get a luxury hybrid you really have to spend some big bucks. I assume we all must wait until the 2010 model years to really have some choices. I predict 3.50 gas by Spring.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I love the nav system in this vehicle. I was recently overseas and drove a BMW and Merc and their Nav system does not touch the one in the MKZ. I was wondering about the storage capability of the address book. First I assume it is stored on flash memory? I am not happy with the capacity of the address book. I can save about 40 entries. There are not many bytes in a name and address even a cheap flash memory device should be able to hold 100's of entries. Any ideals why the constraint?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    2 issues - first, they can't get enough batteries right now for the Escape, much less any other hybrids. Second - Ford is developing a gen 2 hybrid system that is more flexible and can be used in more existing vehicles and it's not quite ready yet. The hybrid Fusion should debut next year.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    It's always like that, isn't it? Things at Ford take longer than they do. Sales will pick up "later." All these plant closings and buyouts are going to make a more "efficient" company.

    Now, the promised hybrid Fusion will be out in 2009! Mulally needs more than 14 months to make any changes that actually benefit sales or bottom line. A hoped for 2009 profit may be too soon. This basket case company is no closer to survival than it was a year ago.

    Jac Nasser could have put the company to the top by now. Instead, the suits lost nerve, got scared and fired him. To save money. Like that worked.

    With BMW, Audi, VW, Hyundai, etc., all planning huge onslaughts of product and market conquest (not to mention what happens when Chinese companies begin marketing here), companies like Chrysler and Ford are in danger of going the way of American Motors. What company do you know that has shrunk its way to sustained profitability?

    I do hope MKZ doesn't really stand for Mulally Knows Zip.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    Who said the Fusion hybrid won't appear until 2009? It should be here next fall.

    I truly believe that with Fields, Mulally and Kuzack in charge that we won't see the waffling, indecisiveness and short sighted decisions that have plagued Ford in the past. Unfortunately they can't fix past screwups in just a few months.

    Here is a good sign (IMO): The 09 Fusion refresh was originally scheduled to get the PIP D3.0L and not the D3.5L due to supply issues with the D3.5L and all the new vehicles. Somewhere in the last few months the D3.5L program was accelerated and the PIP D3.0L program was all but cancelled (might still be used for the Escape).
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Well, I am with them all the way. My sons only drive Fords and they said that is the way it will be for them! I hope they kick some butt out there in the coming years especially in the Hybrid arena. Gas just hit $ 3.10 here in the DC area for regular!
  • Anything new on a redo for the 09 MKZ? I hope Ford doesn't let this thing rot on the vine like they do with so many of their offerings. Status quo is never competitive.
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