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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Drove the FX35 with the 20" wheels. Choppy, bumpy, harsh, almost jarring ride. Nice interior. Very nice technology.

    Drove both old ('05) and new ('07) X3 -- the old X3 with sport was firm and on certain road surfaces "harsh," but not choppy. The new '07 X3 with sport was decidedly more refined in ride, power, handling, interior and even NVH.

    Drove the RDX -- for the money worth looking at compared to a brand new 2006 X3. The driving feel of the new X3 makes it worth more -- but it may not be seen to be worth nearly $10,000 more than the RDX when equipped more upscale.

    Sat in new MDX (a black one with the Cabernet interior and sport package) -- having driven and sat in, of course, a new X5, the MDX, sitting still, seemed competitive by virtue of its full MSRP of about $46K (X3 priced, that is.)

    The tests of the MDX with the magnaride (sport) seem to "suggest" a transformed vehicle. We plan to test it too.

    I have no reason to dislike the MDX, well, its looks may be an acquired taste, but in black it is less cartoonish.

    On paper, in reviews and for $45K, it appears the MDX is a tour de force.

    It apparently is somewhat polarizing, too.

    I would comment, not having yet driven one, it seems to beg for a 6 speed auto transmission.

    Thus far, nothing seems to match the X3 (in this Price Range) for the driving experience. Moreover, just sitting there, behind the wheel, the MDX seems (for this price) to be the one to get. Hmmm, will I (or my wife, better said) be sitting more or driving more.

    I'll get back to you.

    Oh, oh, great sound system in the Acura. Damn near awesome.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 878
    Mark
    I agree a lot with your post. However, having lived with the Wife's FX for almost 2 years now I would add,

    1. The FX's interior doesn't hold up to well over time.

    2. Yes, both of these rides are begging for a 6 speed but, that would put them in the Q7/X5 price category.

    3. The new MDX is much more refined than the FX.

    My biggest knock on the Acura is the cheap feeling steering wheel. But, it handles very well for a big Japanese SUV [very well in fact] and the electronics [nav/stereo] are some of the best in the biz.

    Now how bout that Edmunds review on the RS4 vs M5, and the Audi coming away with the win? [from one Audi lover to another]
  • hausshauss Posts: 169
    lg, I didn't realize Acura had moved that concept so far along. I hadn't checked it out on their website until now. I stand corrected - you were right. And I agree with you in that I don't find it attractive. But as so often is the case those concepts don't usually fully make it to the showroom floor. So, hopefully that won't be the 4th gen TL or the next RL.

    As for the MDX I personally like the way it looks. I've driven two versions of it recently and it handled great for an SUV. Admittedly I don't have anything else to compare it too. It was taut and responsive without being harsh. And the stereo is one of the 5 best stock stereos I've ever listened to. But I won't be going in that direction. My fiance is so in lust with the looks of the GS350RWD that's what we're going to get.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Drove the RDX -- for the money worth looking at compared to a brand new 2006 X3. The driving feel of the new X3 makes it worth more -- but it may not be seen to be worth nearly $10,000 more than the RDX when equipped more upscale.

    The BMW MSRPs for a lot more yes, but BMW is very willing to deal when it comes to lease payments. Combine that with the free service, and its not that much more than the Acura. Also, I just can't get past the idea of making the passenger pull a bar to move their seat in a "luxury" car.
  • hausshauss Posts: 169
    lg, easy on that one...until very recently that's exactly what BMW used to do in the 3 series...unless you opted for a package...
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Right, but BMW at least gave you the option to get power seats. I'd be perfectly willing to pay extra for a power passenger seat in the RDX, but you can't get one at any price. I'd be willing to pay for something like a dual 12-way seat package in the RL, but you can't get that either. To me that's not value, its restrictive.
  • hausshauss Posts: 169
    To me power seats of any level are a bare minimum for a luxury car. Same with power windows. Those things should not even be an option. Now, increasing the range of the power seat is different to me. So, I agree with you that it's unacceptable for the RDX to have a manual adjust passenger seat. If it costs a few hundred dollars more so what? It's already about a $35K car.

    Now, lg, you know darn well that even if the RL was offered with an option to get dual 12 way power seats you still wouldn't get it. It's an Acura! ;)
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 878
    LG has long been an Acura hater.

    I feel the same way about Lexus cars in general, the lineup just makes 0 sense to me.

    Same with Mercedes [sans S class] I just don't get em, and their ergonomics are a train wreck.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Now, lg, you know darn well that even if the RL was offered with an option to get dual 12 way power seats you still wouldn't get it. It's an Acura!

    Well I meant that if I was going to buy an RL, I'd be willing to get some kind of sport seat package. Something like the Recaros in the S4 would be lovely. Then it just needs a new platform with a V8 behind the front wheels, and a new interior, and I'd buy one tomorrow.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,909
    I agree with you on the Acura seats. It is really dumb for any up scale mfg. to have a passenger seat that is not fully adjustable.

    Whenever I test drive cars and my wife is with me, the second she sees that the passenger seat is not fully adjustable it is a deal killer. Aren't these mfgs smart enough to know how much the wife influences these purchases?

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • allargonallargon Posts: 75
    Referencing media.gm.com and that autochannel site:

    5-Series 3,482
    E-Class 3,053
    M 1,961
    GS 1,563
    STS 1,472
    A6 893
    S80 580
    RL 395
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    How nice! The engine is a wonder, and the re-styling adds appeal. My mouth is watering :)

    Jose
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    OMG -- the picture (side/profile) on page one looks like the fraternal twin of the 2005 A6.

    The head on pictures now look slightly less like a Pontiac, but still the "Pontiac-popularized" slant eyed look remains.

    The Audi trout mouth is an acquired taste, to be sure; but, the BMW 5 still (to my eye, and for all I know, my eye alone) is, er, butt oogly.

    They are great driving machines, however, and one would think that is what must be the deciding factor. On the other hand, it is written, somewhere, by somebody, that STYLE sells.

    Hats off, averted eyes and bowed in reverence head -- BMW rules.

    I like the looks of the 3, X3 and X5 much better than this thing.

    To each his/her own.

    Love the write up about the engine though -- wonder what Audi and Mercedes will respond with. The 255HP Audi and even the Mercedes 6, are outclassed by the twin-turbo Bimmer's motivator.

    Eyes still averted. :surprise:
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Thats the same reason I didn't get the radar cruise on my XK. The car stays much too far back, so you'd be stuck in a perpetual "no, after you" cycle. No thanks, I have places to be.

    Those clueless left lane hogs just drive me up the wall. The worst experience I've had with one in recent memory is a guy who was matching the speed of the car in the right lane, about 1 car length back. Plenty of room for him to move over, but not enough room for me to pass on the right. After this went on for about 5 minutes, I gave him the high-beam flash, at which point he slammed on the brakes. A real peach. I went right and accelerated, but he floored it so that I'd be stuck behind the guy in the right lane, and then matched the speed of the guy in front of me again. After a second car in the left lane came up behind him (he was going 65 in a 65) he was forced to accelerate a bit, allowing me to get around the guy in front of me, and then go back into the right lane and pass him on the right.

    Its one thing to have no idea that there are other cars on the road, but to maliciously do everything you can to stop someone from passing you? What kind of person does that?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    A very dangerous person. :surprise:

    I recommend "American Autobahn," by Mark Rask. An interesting (but don't read the entire thing) read.

    Lane discipline, so it seems, would be more important from a law enforcement perspective than speeding (tickets.)

    Why? Improper "laning" is more dangerous and life threatening than speedling, apparently (according to Rask.)

    I am NOT shilling for Rask, but here is something that I think rings true LG:

    "American Autobahn will challenge everything you thought you knew about saving lives on the road. The life you save may be your own."
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 3,017
    I don't recall seeing this posted:

    http://www.audiusa.com/audi/us/en2/experience/european_delivery/program_benefits- .html

    - Ray
    Who was very close to ED on a BMW a while back....
    2016 BMW 340i
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,567
    Excellent.

    Finally.

    Just today I noticed a red A3 2.0 that could go a ways towards making me pitch my RWD-only rule.

    Thanks, Ray.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,148
    I've driven the A3 2.0T three times now and I have to agree with you. For my next daily driver, the ONLY car with FWD I'd even consider is the A3. In fact, I like the car so much that it actually trumps a few other ELLPS RWD cars (CTS and IS to name two) in my mind.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • hausshauss Posts: 169
    What's up with that crazy shifter? It looks like an arcade game joystick.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    What's up with that crazy shifter? It looks like an arcade game joystick.

    It's a space saver for the iDrive controller, the better alternative to the column stub that M-B is still using.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "FX45 does 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (FX35 in 7s) or so while MDX is 7.5 or so. 7.5 is rather slow. FX45 has nice exhaust note, sport suspension and excellent roadholding in turns (0.89g skidpad)."

    You've answered my question. I've always wondered who in the world would by an FX45 - it seems like it's designed for the bi-polar demographic. As in, "I really want a sports car, but I (think) I need an SUV. So I'll get an SUV that emphasizes 'S' at the severe expense of 'U'". I

    Admittedly, I've never been a fan of the FX design. A bit too "fugly" for me. But even when my wife and I were slightly tempted by the X5 and Cayenne, we quickly came to our senses and recognized that the U was a necessity. So we opted for the MDX that can actually handle snow, carry our kids and their friends and gets loaded up regularly for family vacations and trips. I guess some might see the FX as the best of both worlds. I think that's a little dillusional, but I respect that opinions vary greatly.

    By the way - please don't feel too bad for us in our MDX. Our family of four fits just fine in our other vehicle. And if you are ever sitting at a stoplight feeling zesty in your FX45, don't pay any attention to my 8 year old daughter trying to egg you on from the back seat of our 911S Carrera Cabriolet as we pull up next to you. I never thought 7.5 seconds was all that slow for an SUV, but 6.3 seconds is pitifully slow for anyone that is more concerned about "S" than "U". (By about 2+ seconds). ;)

    I'm not sure what any of this has to do with luxury performance sedans, but since you started it, I thought I'd add a different perspective.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,726
    geesh. talk about blanket statements.
    oh well, i have lots of comments, but like you said, its not the right place.

    orr... is it? hmmm... if we put this in context of luxury performance sedans, we're talking luxury vs sport (rather than utility vs sport). And while one side of your equation favors the utility heavily, the other side favors the sport. To say a car is pitifully slow at 6.3 secs because others are faster is the equivalent to saying one is pitifully nonluxurious because it doesn't offer alacantra leather (or pitifully nonutility because it carries 7 passengers instead of 12). The idea behind luxury performance sedans (and crossovers) is not to get the best of both worlds, but to try to offer MORE of each world.

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • dzubadzuba Posts: 159
    92K miles on the car and ready for another Inspection I..........believe it or not the largest BMW Dealer in Chicago (where I bought the car) actually does not recommend changing the transmission fluid in the car........ever! Does that make sense or are people having the trans. fluid changed?

    Also said I'll need new spark plugs at 100K, at a cost of $288.00?

    Thanks.........car runs 100% perfect!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "The idea behind luxury performance sedans (and crossovers) is not to get the best of both worlds, but to try to offer MORE of each world."

    And that distinction is...???

    I do understand that there are a lot of balanced compromises. Our FWD TL 6-speed is a "sporty" family sedan, but it's not a true sports sedan as in the 335i/550i nor a true luxury sedan along the lines of a Lexus GS or LS.

    My comment - to be taken lightly, and as my opinion - was that the previous poster was over-exhuberantly describing the FX45 as if it was a sports car - 0-60 times and lateral g's of cornering force. I can try describing my golf game with the same level of enthusiasm, but it won't take too many holes before even the non-golfer realized they weren't watching Tiger Woods.

    IMO, there are a lot of gas guzzling, 4,500+ lb, 4/5 passenger "crossover" SUV's perhaps being bought for the wrong reasons. As in our neighbor who is an emergency room physician. He has twice asked us this winter if we could give him a ride to the hospital 2 miles away when his "S non-U V" (X5 4.6is) was rendered undriveable by a whopping 4-6" of snow. But boy those 20" wheels and low profile summer tires sure looked nice slipping and sliding away. His wife's car is an equally undriveable Jaguar in the winter, but at least her car doesn't make any false "utility" claims. ;)

    Funny, when I offered to let him drive our 911 this summer, as he was salivating over it, he had to embarassingly admit not knowing how to drive a manual transmssion. But hey, he's a good doctor, so I'm happy letting him think he's Michael Schumacher in that slushbox equiped two and a half ton "sports car". ;)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,726
    And that distinction is...???

    the distinction is "best" vs "more."
    Being the "best" is obviously a FAR cry over just being "better" or "more than usual."

    was that the previous poster was over-exhuberantly describing the FX45 as if it was a sports car

    Ok. Point taken. I won't defend it as a sportscar, but I would defend it as being quite sporty while offering a good deal more utility than a sportscar. There's that trade-off thing we've both mentioned.

    And ... to keep on topic ... its the same we've discussed here before when trading off some luxury for more sport, or vice versa.

    '18 BMW 330xi; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 47-car history and counting!

  • hausshauss Posts: 169
    Where did you find these numbers? I looked on the autochannel site and could not find anything.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    While the posters here prefer to brand the M35 as a "luxury performance sedan," Edmunds opts to cateorize it as one of the "top 10 vehicles for seniors." In fact, it is lumped together with Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred! I've always considered the M35 as a pretty sporty sedan with a good dose of luxury, but I've never thought it would be in the category of grandpa mobiles. :cry:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I've always considered the M35 as a pretty sporty sedan with a good dose of luxury, but I've never thought it would be in the category of grandpa mobiles.

    That is really odd. The M35 is the meanest, loudest, and hardest riding of the three Japanese entries in the segment. The GS, S80, or E-class would seem like much more logical choices.
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