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  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 2,773
    "Did you eventually get the problem fixed of the car pulling on uneven roads?"

    No, I replaced the car with a MB E350 Sport.

    I was told by one service person it was my tires and by another my alignment was off. This was really not the reason I replaced the car though.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    My dealer has been fairly reliable about what's coming, and they say an M45x is coming next model year (late summer?).

    I suppose stranger things have happened. The M should be due for a refresh for the '09 MY. If they're going to do it, that would be when.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Not an uncommon occurence. I had some directional tires that pulled HARD right when I got them put on. Prior to that, the car tracked straight and true. Moved them to the left, and it pulled THAT way.

    Alignment may be an issue. Another possible cause would be tire pressures too high or not the same on both sides. Those are the easy fixes. After that, it can become a nightmare!

  • jobiejobie Posts: 47
    For those of you that drive (or will soon drive) the E-350, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the other similar sedans, specifically the 530/535. I'm looking to get out of my SUV soon and back into a sedan; I've been a BMW fan for years but am having trouble warming up the current generation 5. I never gave MB much thought, but the sport package on the E-350 has caught my eye, and now the price of 5'er is right up there with the E. I don't expect the E to be as fun to drive as the 5, but to my eye the interior and exterior are nicer.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    I'm not sure how an A6 is too big or dimensionally how a G from Infiniti would be a competitor (the G is aimed at the A4 and 3 Series in other NON-dimensional attributes.)

    A6 wb: 111.9 and is about 192" overall
    5x wb: 113.7 and is about 191" overall

    I have driven both of these cars extensively and actually own the A6. somehow to me, the 5 does seem to have a cramped back seat compared to the A6, but the cars -- overall -- are much more alike dimensionally than they are different.

    I have had a running discussion with folks about the upcoming CTS, which for the time being seems to be a "bargain" LPS car (technically, I know, an ELLPS by all that is good and holy.)

    Yet, here is what I look at somewhat in wonderment:

    The new 2008 CTS can be sort-of, almost, optioned to be current (feature wise) with a 2005 Audi A6 3.2. For about $10,000 less, I'm thinking. Yet Bluetooth is not offered on the Cadillac in the US (for some time.)

    So, I am looking at a 2008 car (the CTS) that is less money than a German middle child, about the same size (113" wheelbase as I recall) and state of the art, German 2004, sort-of, almost 2005-ish.

    Of course when you look at the technology packages in the Japanese cars, the Cadillac [sort-of, to make the point] looks downright low-def in a high-def world.

    But it will be about $10,000 less than an A6 3.2 and perhaps $12,000+ less than a BMW.

    Equipped with AWD and the 300HP engine, the new CTS looks like a real consideration for [sort-of] honorable mention into the LPS class (dimensionally at least.)

    Overall, though, I like the CTS and if Cadillac discounts the everlovin' heck out of it like they have (here in River City) the STS, well, heck, a brand new 100,000 mile warranteed 300HP AWD fairly luxo vehicle for way lower bucks than a comparably sized and almost comparably equipped non-faux LPS car, could sway a few folks.


    Well, maybe.

    It could happen!

    Step back 10 yards and squint -- do you see the figure holding the universe in the palm of his (or her) hand?

    Step back just a little more...

    There, now you got it! :surprise:

    I picked the wrong week to give up coffee.

    But it is $10,000 less. . . .

    No really, it is. :shades:
  • macctmacct Posts: 8
    My lease on my 2005 530i will be expiring over the next few months and I find myself torn between the 5 series (528xi/535xi) and the Infiniti M35xi. While they are all really good choices, I think I remain partial to the BMWs, albeit I question their value.

    In terms of the BMWs, I like the overall driving dynamics. IMO, they have such a nice balance between handling, ride, braking, etc. I just find the car comfortable and enjoyable. The 535xi was treat to drive and it would be my choice if value was not part of the equation. In terms of leasing, it carries a huge premium over the Infiniti (& 528xi) which I am not sure I can justify.

    In terms of the 528xi, I like most everything about the car, but feel it's mot keeping up to its competitors in terms of engine performance. While it is incredibly smooth performer, it just seems like there should be more. I realize it's not all about HP & quickness, I still question its value.

    The Infiniti has been somewhat of a surprised for me. It is actually much sportier and well-balanced than I anticipated. The car performed exceptionally well, but IMO lacked some of the refinement and finesse associated with the 5 series. The handling seemed sharp, but the steering seemed a bit disconnected (too light at low speeds & artificial firm at higher speeds) with a rougher ride quality. The engine, however, seemed more responsive the 528xi, particularly from a stand still or passing on the highway. The interior was also quite nice. I found it more luxurious than the 5 series, albeit I prefer the BMW's comfort seats. The electronics were also impressive. The navigation & other controls seemed well designed and easy to use. Leasing the Infiniti is also quite the bargain, being less expensive for more equipment than either 5-series.

    At this point, I am torn. The emotional choice is the 535xi. It's the car I enjoyed most. The question is it worth the additional $100 to 120/month more than an M35x? The M35x seems like a great value, and comes with so much more for the price. I didn't find it as enjoyable to drive, but I also wonder if it is in part just because it's not what I am use to. In terms of the 528xi, I don't think I can justify over the Infiniti.

    Any thoughts between these cars? Anyone with some real experience with both the Infiniti and the 5-series?
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250

    My comment on the A-6 size issue stemmed from me looking at the vehicle comparator on the web comparing an A-6 to a 530Xi, where it showed the Audi was a good bit wider than the BMW. I'm a little tight for garage space in both length and width, so that caught my attention. However, I looked into the specs further and found that Audi gives a vehicle width which includes the sideview mirrors and the BMW width does not, so it's not apples to apples- my comment was based on incorrect data and I retract it. Moving from an ELLPS to a LPS is going to be a tighter fit pretty much independent of which car it is. The good news for my pocketbook is there is no way a 7 series will fit in my garage!

    The more I've thought about this, the more I realize I'm hooked on the 535Xi, assuming the test drive is positive, I can negotiate an acceptable deal, and there aren't any showstoppers with the car of which I am not aware. I'm getting a bad case of the new car bug, and the impulse to buy now rather than waiting until later in the year to see how the 08 CTS works out, and whether or not there will be an M45x.

    I do have some concerns about the 535Xi- mixed reviews on reliability of the 5 series in general, repair / maintenance / longevity issues associated with turbocharging, and cost. But there are many things I like so far about the car and they're outweighing these concerns.

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    The CTS threatens to be $11 down, $11 per month, and if you don't have the $11, we'll loan it to you.

    The price per month factor is at least very enticing.

    If I could ditch the "breathtakingly expensive" out of warranty factor, I'd actually be tempted to keep my '05 A6 for a bit longer.

    It is amazing, I get to thinking (as I take my Audi's features for granted) that a 2008 ought to be a huge step up.

    The CTS hasn't seemed to look at the Japanese competition and apparently not even the ripe for picking German competition.

    The Bluetooth "clue" is perplexing -- as in the CTS released in Europe is rumored to come with BT from day one.

    The lack of the pushbutton start and smart key (even though I think it is sometimes a gimmick) blows my mind when one can get such features on a Mazda for pity's sake.

    If my car had 10% more HP and torque, it would be a no brainer to keep it at least one more year ('cept for that nagging fear of repairs on a German car out of warranty.)

    The 535xi may be leased at a phenominal rate after about 6,7 months of release. It may be the pick of the little.

    Just for fun I configured a G35x and a similar A4 or 3x -- damn! Infiniti certainly packs in the value.

    The Germans need to differentiate themselves -- and this is coming from a German car fan!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It is amazing, I get to thinking (as I take my Audi's features for granted) that a 2008 ought to be a huge step up.

    Just curious Mark, but why not move up to say, a lightly used '06 A6 4.2? One with barely any miles on it should be around $45K or so, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, as the only thing the A6 3.2 really lacks is power.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Well gas is now $3.39. Cincinnati is, despite being a big town, clogging up just like the cities.

    I would love more power.

    Yet, finding much of anywhere to use it is hard.

    I still believe $4/gas is a commin', too.

    Heck, an A5 SLine with a beefed up 4cyl FSI turbo and a stick shift (were it offered) could be a very nice way to have it and eat it, too.

    Nice thought.

    That was then, this is now, however.

    What I really want is the diesel.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I don't have personal experience with either car, but an associate of mine is turning in his 2002 540ia sport off lease and we went out to test drive an E550 last weekend. Although it is at least as powerful in stright line acceleration as the BMW, it didn't feel as tight in handling or in structural integrity as his 5 year old 65,000 mile 540i. It is definitely a noticable difference.

    My friend is in your dilemma. He likes BMW driving dynamics, but does not like the interior/exterior style changes and the i-drive. He is considering a pristine low mileage 2003 M5, but his wife doesn't drive a stick, so he'll probably pass.

    Another factor to consider is build quality / reliability. One of the service managers I deal with at my Porsche dealership (they sell Mercedes as well) insisted on moving over from Mercedes to Porsche because he was dissapointed in the deterioration of Mercedes quality over the years. He had been with Mercedes for over 30 years, of which he claims the last 8-10 went downhill.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    'm looking to get out of my SUV soon and back into a sedan; I've been a BMW fan for years but am having trouble warming up the current generation 5.

    Tried the Infiniti M? It's about as close as you can get to the performance of a 5 without actually buying a 5. The A6 is also excellent.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Yup, an Audi A6, BMW 530d, or MB E320CDI is what my wife will drive when she graduates college...

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 26,113
    wow! can i be your wife? (although i warn you i don't look good in a dress)
    the first vehicle i bought out of college was a compact pickup truck. ;)
    and even that that took a huge chunk out of my paycheck.

    '10 Equinox LS; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 49-car history and counting!

  • fonefixerfonefixer Posts: 247
    Do you think Audi will remain a competitive "player" in the automotive marketplace with virtually all of their offering s claiming 14~17 mpg (except maybe some of the A4's) when fuel reaches $4/gal+ by Labor day?
  • fonefixerfonefixer Posts: 247
    You need to take a Sunday afternoon drive over to Marysville, Ohio where it is claimed that the world's largest Lamborghini dealer is open for business. Now where in Ohio would you have a chance to use the full potential of 500 + hp at 9 mpg?
  • kamdogkamdog Posts: 28
    Just some thoughts. The 535 has certain benefits, as does the E350 and the M. You need to just put it all down and see what really matters after you might own the car for a while. The iDrive problem seems to be much bigger among those who drive it to rate it rather than those who own it and learn it. The M seems to bother longer term owners who hate the short gearing on the highway and who never get a gas mileage break. Some E people seem to lament the loss of road feel, others enjoy that isolation. So, where are you? Are you technical enough to master the iDrive and enjoy the better road manners and economy? Do you want a more isolated and luxurious ride of an E350? Do you want a bit simpler, rougher around the edges car and can deal with it being a bit thirsty? The entire choice will be made clear when YOU decide what is important. The BMW, MB, Infiniti are all great cars, it is just a matter of YOU deciding what attributes you value most. Me, Im with BMW. I am a techincal kind of guy and will have no problem with iDrive. The Infiniti bothers me too much in being piggish with gas and being rough, and the E doesn't give me the right feel. But that is me. What is you?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 128,328
    Hey.. the VRTC test track is only about ten miles from that Lamborghini dealer... 7.5 miles long, I think.. ;)

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  • fonefixerfonefixer Posts: 247
    It is amazing how big the US economy really is with 25 Lamborghini dealers across the country selling $200,000+ cars.
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 2,773
    Re: Bump [kgary]

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi - if you have a comment, we'd love to hear from you, but it really isn't necessary to "bump" these discussions. :)
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    My wife and I test drove a 535Xi this morning. We liked it so much we ordered one. Salesman estimated it will take 6 weeks to arrive.

    The car we drove, like the one we ordered, has the standard 17" GFTs. Ride quality is definitely smoother and quieter than my '06 330Xi. I purposely drove over the same section of road that caused a hard hit in my current car this morning on the way to the dealer, and there was no problem with the 5 series. I didn't really get a chance to test the handling, but it felt responsive and similar to my current car.

    We easily noticed it's a bit roomier on the inside, sits a little higher, and has easier ingress and egress.

    I immediately noticed the engine is more powerful than in my current car, and it's very responsive in regular Drive mode. I didn't feel the need to shift to Sport mode like I do in my current car. While driving on the interstate at 70 mph, I punched the throttle and was impressed at how quickly and effortlessly it accelerated.

    The 535Xi has everything we were looking for as a step up from our 330Xi.

  • bazohimbabazohimba Posts: 14
    Well.. er uh.. Mark, my son has a plain vanilla 525 in Houston, I was very favorably impressed with handling, fit and finish, etc. Love the sound of the glass-smooth straight six.
    I would discourage the CTS you mentioned, as I'm sick of the STS-4 I picked up with 7k miles 16 months ago.

    I've ordered an '08 E320 bluetech. It's torque that gets you where you want to go, and diesel is now less than regular here in Indiana. Have you driven an E 320 bluetech?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I have. :) You wouldn't know it is a diesel just by it driving by unless you read the tail badging.

    My wife's car to herself when she graduates college will either be a BMW 5 Series diesel or an E320 diesel. I'm personally hoping for a 530d stateside by then!

  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    BMW 5-Series 4,431
    Mercedes E-Class 4,102
    Lexus GS 2,043
    Acura RL 652

    Don't know Audi or Infiniti yet
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 3,028
    May = 1,842
    2016 BMW 340i
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250

    Thanks for the link, I had not seen this.

    One comment is the article says leather is standard and a higher quality leather is optional. Leather is standard in the 550i, but for the 535i they tested, leatherette is standard and leather (just one quality) is optional.

  • badboymiabadboymia Posts: 6
    This car is super, the interior is great and very reliable, Nav is the best in the industry as well as class! Its a real go getter type of car the ladies love it!!
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